Health Care Debate - Hampton, VA

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karen-Hampton

Portsmouth, VA

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Sep 13, 2009
 
SOMETHING has to be done. Health care and insurance WILL change; if we do nothing, it will change for the worse. If you like what you have, too bad: your employer may decide he can't provide it; your premiums, copays, and deductibles will go up and may become unaffordable; you may lose your job or become unable to work; you may want to move or start a business. 33% of our dollars goes for administration NOT for health care or research. Why are we the only developed country that has health care as a big profit-making business -- it should be a nonprofit service.
Dr Kildare

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Sep 13, 2009
 
karen-Hampton wrote:
SOMETHING has to be done. Health care and insurance WILL change; if we do nothing, it will change for the worse. If you like what you have, too bad: your employer may decide he can't provide it; your premiums, copays, and deductibles will go up and may become unaffordable; you may lose your job or become unable to work; you may want to move or start a business. 33% of our dollars goes for administration NOT for health care or research. Why are we the only developed country that has health care as a big profit-making business -- it should be a nonprofit service.
I'd call you an imbecile but I don't want to overstate the obvious. Tell me ONE service that the government runs sufficiently and I might rethink your idea. They have destroyed our social security system, medicare, immigration...I could go on and on. Again, just name something that WORKS that our government manages.
TrulyYours

Urbanna, VA

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Sep 14, 2009
 
The US military.

Since: Sep 08

Newport News, VA

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Sep 14, 2009
 
karen-Hampton wrote:
SOMETHING has to be done. Health care and insurance WILL change; if we do nothing, it will change for the worse. If you like what you have, too bad: your employer may decide he can't provide it; your premiums, copays, and deductibles will go up and may become unaffordable; you may lose your job or become unable to work; you may want to move or start a business. 33% of our dollars goes for administration NOT for health care or research. Why are we the only developed country that has health care as a big profit-making business -- it should be a nonprofit service.
If the government took over health care and charged as much as a DOLLAR for it's plan to the people that support it now there would be no one on the plan. The issue here is the people that support this Trillion plus dollar bill are looking for another free lunch.
Marcellus

San Francisco, CA

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Sep 14, 2009
 
This is what you get when government hacks, NOT healthcare professionals, try to run a healthcare program. Do you want your life in the balence of a vote on the floor? I know I don't!!!! Read the attachment to see just how ignorant both logically and financially (because the whole LIE barry is pushing is based on price reduction)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32836554/ns/healt...
inhisimage

Hampton, VA

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Sep 14, 2009
 
As a nation we should want to help those among us that are less fortunate. The health care plan does that as well as putting an end to corruption and includes competition of these costly insurance companies.

“Thomas Jefferson for president”

Since: Oct 08

Newport News, VA

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Sep 14, 2009
 
inhisimage wrote:
As a nation we should want to help those among us that are less fortunate. The health care plan does that as well as putting an end to corruption and includes competition of these costly insurance companies.
The less fortunate hey. Yes we need to take good care of the truly needy. However that amount is not 30 million people. Many people choose to be failures in life and EXPECT others to provide for them.
Wondering

Gloucester, VA

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Sep 14, 2009
 
If Obamacare is ever implemented, and I certainly hope it is not, then we should drug test for eligibility. That alone would eliminate many of the freeloaders that could be out working but choose to get high, collect a gov't check, and end up in the emergency room overdosing every other weekend.

It would cut the cost of the program by a huge margin. Of course, the Democrats would NEVER agree that you should eliminate drug users and freeloaders, because that's a major part of their votes in each election.
inhisimage

Hampton, VA

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Sep 16, 2009
 
Mary Swanson wrote:
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The less fortunate hey. Yes we need to take good care of the truly needy. However that amount is not 30 million people. Many people choose to be failures in life and EXPECT others to provide for them.
That is very judgmental to say that many people choose to be failures in life and EXPECT others to provide for them. There are millions of Americans that choose to have health insurance but are unable to afford it. This does not make them failures. Perhaps you have health care and have been fortunate enough not to need help. But there are people in this Country that have not been so fortunate.

“low tolerance for stupid”

Since: Apr 08

Hampton VA

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Sep 16, 2009
 
If Obama wants to push his health care through. Then he needs to back up and re-tool it a little then in-state it as a replcement for Cobra.
If you lose your job and you are on unemployment then you qualify for the government health care. That way some insurance is better than none and you don't have to pay for it when you have no income. If you have insurance you won't be affected and businesses can't discontinue your current plan and force you on to a cheaper government system.
Upon gaining employment you would be given the option of gonig on the company plan or keeping the government plan if you prefer. Eventually you would have enough people on the plan to see if it worked and they would have an option to get off at some point. If the plan worked as well as Obama claims it will prove it's self and people will be demanding to get on. Then it could be in-stated by choice of the people.
old man

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Sep 26, 2009
 
fed should not get involved,other ways to work on health care problems
Gammler

Newport News, VA

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Nov 4, 2009
 
The money isn't there.
Common Sense

Huntsville, AL

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Nov 5, 2009
 
Gammler wrote:
The money isn't there.
Under the same logic, better get the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan, nothing but god forsaken money pits that have cost us over a trillion dollars for no reason.
Gammler

Newport News, VA

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Nov 5, 2009
 
Common Sense wrote:
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Under the same logic, better get the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan, nothing but god forsaken money pits that have cost us over a trillion dollars for no reason.
That's a non-sequitur. When I ask the question of WHERE IS THE MONEY, the answer I get that it is all Bush's fault.

I don't care whose fault it is, the money isn't there. The laws that govern economics don't change just because the Liberals don't like them or they don't fit the Liberal's agenda.

“This isn't me either”

Since: Oct 08

Beach, USA

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Nov 6, 2009
 
Yes to the government option
Unimpressed

Hampton, VA

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#19
Nov 6, 2009
 
I am amazed that ANYONE would want the government running a program invloving their healthcare. They have proven they can't run any program. Take a look at Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security. They are all going broke yet the government wants us to believe they can run something as big and as important as healthcare. How about fixing the freakin economy then we can worry about getting our own health insurance. This administration is a freaking joke. Come on 2012.
Davis

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Nov 6, 2009
 
karen-Hampton wrote:
SOMETHING has to be done. Health care and insurance WILL change; if we do nothing, it will change for the worse. If you like what you have, too bad: your employer may decide he can't provide it; your premiums, copays, and deductibles will go up and may become unaffordable; you may lose your job or become unable to work; you may want to move or start a business. 33% of our dollars goes for administration NOT for health care or research. Why are we the only developed country that has health care as a big profit-making business -- it should be a nonprofit service.
Sentara ER MDs are partly to blame imo. I went to Sentara in Hampton last summer for a minor head injury while playing baseball. I was: x-rayed(nothing to do with the head), blood taken(why, I don't know, but about a $300 donation),MRI and Radiologist $2,300, Ambulance ride(around $600--it's no wonder that driver tried to shove me in so quick & shut the back doors)I could have easily been driven by yellow cab for 6 dollars,,, pathologist bill, oh and here is the big take on your/our insurance, A FOLLOWUP WITH THE ER DOCTOR'S BEST FRIEND, THE NEUROLOGIST.
All in all, I was hit harder in the head as a 9 year old...guess who paid for all this crap to Sentara? You did if we use the same insurance company.
OMG

Norfolk, VA

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Nov 28, 2009
 
karen-Hampton wrote:
SOMETHING has to be done. Health care and insurance WILL change; if we do nothing, it will change for the worse. If you like what you have, too bad: your employer may decide he can't provide it; your premiums, copays, and deductibles will go up and may become unaffordable; you may lose your job or become unable to work; you may want to move or start a business. 33% of our dollars goes for administration NOT for health care or research. Why are we the only developed country that has health care as a big profit-making business -- it should be a nonprofit service.
The problem is NOT the insurance companies. It's the lawsuits. The cost is so high because people in the good ole USA will sue at the drop of a hat and we have MANY lawyers to feed.
Cost of malpractice insurance in Germany, approx.$1400 year. Cost of malpractice insurance in USA, over $14,000 a year. See why your premiums are so high??
Also, many European nations educate their Doctors for free, it's not uncommon for Dr's in the USA to have $100,000's of loans outstanding to repay. Our Education system needs an overhaul too. Let's stop paying all of these professors and colleges outrageous amounts of money also.
Also too, many of these European systems are operating at a negative defict. They are going bankrupt slowly.
France's so-called great system taxes their workers about 21% of their income. Thats right, 21%.
Problem is, most Americans think their "out-of-pocket" is their expense for health care, they refuse to see the larger picture.

NOTHING IS FREE!

Don't get me wrong, we have problems with our system, we have the best critical care systems in the world, but one of the worst preventative care systems. But I also believe having the "government" "fixing" it is a mistake
OMG

Norfolk, VA

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Nov 28, 2009
 
Chew on the following:

"MAGGIE MAHAR: The fact of the matter is that insurance companies tried saying no in the 90s, in that era of manage care, when the great many HMOs would say, "No, we're not going to pay for that." The problem is that HMOs made their decisions on what they are going to pay for based, too often, simply on cost. If something was too pricy, they would say no. But they weren't looking at the quality of the procedure. They weren't asking, "Well, would it really benefit the patient?" They were simply saying, "Well, where does it fit on our schedule of costs?" So, sometimes, they denied ineffective, unnecessary, expensive care and sometimes they denied very good, effective, expensive care.

There was a backlash, needless to say, in the media, on the part of patients, on the part of doctors, so by the late 90s HMOs began to say, "Okay, okay, we won't try to manage care. By and large, we will pay for whatever Medicare pays for. Medicare tends to pay for whatever the FDA approves. We'll just pass the cost along to you in the form of higher premiums." And that's why, since 1998-99, premiums have just skyrocketed."

They followed the "government model" and see what has happened?
I agree, health care needs restructuring, but NOT BY THE GOVERNMENT!
Better monitoring, better regulation by the gov't, OK.
Just remember it's not "the governments money", or "the insurance company's" money. YOU pay the insurance money, it's YOUR money. Higher medical costs translate to higher premiums, it's that simple...
Common Sense

Huntsville, AL

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Nov 30, 2009
 
Where did I say that it is Bush's fault?
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That's a non-sequitur. When I ask the question of WHERE IS THE MONEY, the answer I get that it is all Bush's fault.
I don't care whose fault it is, the money isn't there. The laws that govern economics don't change just because the Liberals don't like them or they don't fit the Liberal's agenda.

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