Health Care Debate - Downers Grove, IL

[Mike Horgan]

It is imoral to profit over peoples lives

[Phaedrus]

It is time!!

[John]

Hmmm Government can't run anything well!

[John]

Government running our lives again! GIVE me freedom or give me death!

[Sarah]

can you say trainwreck?

[Rick]

Our Great-grand Children will be paying of the debt's that he is getting us into.

[JAy]

As someone who is in school to become a medical professional and who put himself in over $200k of debt to do it, I just want to say 2 things. 1) I'd never ever deny treatment to someone due to an inability to pay. 2) I've sacrificed my 20s and spent a fortune to jump through the hoops America makes medical professionals endure to get this job. I don't think it's immoral to ask to be compensated. It's not a Job that many people can do and I certainly didn't do it to become a government employee

[TV MAN]

JAy wrote:

As someone who is in school to become a medical professional and who put himself in over $200k of debt to do it, I just want to say 2 things. 1) I'd never ever deny treatment to someone due to an inability to pay. 2) I've sacrificed my 20s and spent a fortune to jump through the hoops America makes medical professionals endure to get this job. I don't think it's immoral to ask to be compensated. It's not a Job that many people can do and I certainly didn't do it to become a government employee

America is not asking you to be a government employee. Their asking you to be competitive. Value vs's the dollar. If your good you will prevail, yet asking 400 dollars for a 10 cent shot is absurd.

[JAy]

Tv man: I completely agree with you. I myself had to spend $220 on a prescription last month because it wasn't "on my formulary." there's a lot about the system that can be fixed. I think of it like this though. I called a plumber because my sinks water pressure was on the fritz. He spent all of 35 minutes fixing it. I got a $500 bill. My first instinct was to think "this is nuts, he barely did any work." but after talking to him and after he explained I needed a special part, which was costly, plus the business he works for requires certain fees, after understanding more of the hidden costs, the price made more sense. It's important to remember hidden costs and regulations adding costs, etc. but rest assured I'd never deny treatment to anybody.

[TV MAN]

JAy wrote:

Tv man: I completely agree with you. I myself had to spend $220 on a prescription last month because it wasn't "on my formulary." there's a lot about the system that can be fixed. I think of it like this though. I called a plumber because my sinks water pressure was on the fritz. He spent all of 35 minutes fixing it. I got a $500 bill. My first instinct was to think "this is nuts, he barely did any work." but after talking to him and after he explained I needed a special part, which was costly, plus the business he works for requires certain fees, after understanding more of the hidden costs, the price made more sense. It's important to remember hidden costs and regulations adding costs, etc. but rest assured I'd never deny treatment to anybody.

I respect your cause. Many old doctors don't get it. They forgot their oath. Many can't stop working because of all their young girl friends. You are correct on costs, yet the American people don't have a clue. Competition will start with you. By taking patients other doctors don't feel their paid enough to see. If you show fair and competive value for your services you will do great. Thanks for your ambition, I'm a baby boomer and will probably need you sooner then later. You are the new and true hero.

[Smedskjaer]

JAy wrote:

Tv man: I completely agree with you. I myself had to spend $220 on a prescription last month because it wasn't "on my formulary." there's a lot about the system that can be fixed. I think of it like this though. I called a plumber because my sinks water pressure was on the fritz. He spent all of 35 minutes fixing it. I got a $500 bill. My first instinct was to think "this is nuts, he barely did any work." but after talking to him and after he explained I needed a special part, which was costly, plus the business he works for requires certain fees, after understanding more of the hidden costs, the price made more sense. It's important to remember hidden costs and regulations adding costs, etc. but rest assured I'd never deny treatment to anybody.

You will probably get many chances to price gouge us because we are all getting older. Just remember when we gouge you it's because the greedy doctor started the cycle of greedy price maniplations.

[TV MAN]

I think Jays a good guy. Good Luck and have a great life. Don't believe everything medical school tells you. Don't believe everything drug companies tell you. Use your common sense.

[Smedskjaer]

TV MAN wrote:

I think Jays a good guy. Good Luck and have a great life. Don't believe everything medical school tells you. Don't believe everything drug companies tell you. Use your common sense.

Isn't Jay kind of spoiled though? His parents gifted him an expensive condo. He looks down on other people that have to work hard and drive an old car. You should never give to much or no one values it. He looks down on less fortunate people. I would never use him for my doctor. He spends all day on here instead of studying. I want a doctor who studies and doesn't post on here all day.

[TV MAN]

Smedskjaer wrote:

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Isn't Jay kind of spoiled though? His parents gifted him an expensive condo. He looks down on other people that have to work hard and drive an old car. You should never give to much or no one values it. He looks down on less fortunate people. I would never use him for my doctor. He spends all day on here instead of studying. I want a doctor who studies and doesn't post on here all day.

Really! I haven't noticed. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

[smedskaer]

TV MAN wrote:

<quoted text>Really! I haven't noticed. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

That villa park person is not me. Please ignore him.

[TV MAN]

JAy wrote:

Tv man: I completely agree with you. I myself had to spend $220 on a prescription last month because it wasn't "on my formulary." there's a lot about the system that can be fixed. I think of it like this though. I called a plumber because my sinks water pressure was on the fritz. He spent all of 35 minutes fixing it. I got a $500 bill. My first instinct was to think "this is nuts, he barely did any work." but after talking to him and after he explained I needed a special part, which was costly, plus the business he works for requires certain fees, after understanding more of the hidden costs, the price made more sense. It's important to remember hidden costs and regulations adding costs, etc. but rest assured I'd never deny treatment to anybody.

OK, good point. Yet, ask yourself this question. Without Government and it's many programs would the middle class exist? The good news for the global economy is that policy makers worldwide demonstrated in 2008 that they learned the lessons of the 1930's. When faced with a collapse of the financial system, any and all steps are taken to stabilize the situation. But policies leading up to the crisis of 2008, enacted over the past 25 years, make it abundantly clear that economists, elected officials, and central bankers did not learn the lessons of the 1920s. If you want a complete and true free market, you and your friends can't complain about the outcome. For America to get off the tit and go the route you suggest, they must be prepared for much higher unemployment, pain and misery. Capitalism is very unforgiving and it takes a long time to turn a big ship. Please understand I'm not promoting Obama, only that the past 25 years prevented this self-evident truth from being incorporated into the mainstream view. In policy circles the renewed commitment to free market capitalism that took hold, over time, morphed into a willingness to pretend that capitalism is infallible. This overzealous policy maker enthusiasm for purely market solutions coincided with two decades of dominance by free market enthusiasts in economics departments around the world. Mainstream policy makers and academic economists, as a consequence, established a paradigm that denied what centuries of evidence makes clear.

[smedskaer]

I agree with TV man. It's gonna take awhile. We in Denmark are experiencing the same pains.

[Smedskjaer]

I do not find this funny and I want you to stop slandering my name and stop misusing my name.

[TV MAN]

Smedskjaer wrote:

I do not find this funny and I want you to stop slandering my name and stop misusing my name.

Who's the real Smedskjaer?

[Smedskjaer]

The one who registered his user account long ago, lives in Denmark and has full legal use of the name Smedskjaer. Search for the name Smedskjaer in Google. You will see a list of research papers and a linked in page.

If you see a Villa Park tag under the name, then you will know automaticly, the person is not Peter Smedskjaer or Lars Smedskjaer.