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mwc

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#45
Jan 12, 2010
 
If the feds are going to fund something then let it be health care funding. A supplement for those who make less than $80,000 of taxable income. Cutting out funding for special programs, such as the arts, or how much methane gas from a cows belching. Cut the slaries of congress and senate to that of the average person in their constituancy. No longer provide them with health care but let them pay for it just like we do and no more retirement for them. They have a profession besides congress or senate, most are liars I mean lawyers. Cut spending lower taxes and have laws on the books in the health funding that requires preexisting conditions to be covered. This bill is much more than that and congress as well as the senate and President are selling us down the river on this and the cap and trade (TAX) bills. We need to clean house if they support either of these bills.
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#46
Jan 12, 2010
 
Does not make sense!

“Curious”

Since: Sep 09

Santa Fe

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#47
Jan 12, 2010
 
Don't ask for anything else unless and until what you have been up to is working well.

You cannot expect others to be responsible for your irresponsibility.
Bill

Houston, TX

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#48
Jan 12, 2010
 
Hezekiah wrote:
This is from FactCheck.org :
False: Medicare Benefits Will Be Slashed
The claim that Obama and Congress are cutting seniors’ Medicare benefits to pay for the health care overhaul is outright false, though that doesn’t keep it from being repeated ad infinitum.
The truth is that the pending House bill extracts $500 billion from projected Medicare spending over 10 years, as scored by the Congressional Budget Office, by doing such things as trimming projected increases in the program’s payments for medical services, not including physicians. Increases in other areas, such as payments to doctors, bring the net savings down to less than half that amount. But none of the predicted savings – or cuts, depending on one’s perspective – come from reducing current or future benefits for seniors.
The president has promised repeatedly that benefit levels won’t be reduced, reiterating the point recently in Portsmouth, N.H.:
Obama, Aug. 11: Another myth that we’ve been hearing about is this notion that somehow we’re going to be cutting your Medicare benefits. We are not.
Is he wrong? Not according to AARP, by far the nation’s largest organization representing the over-50 population. In a "Myths vs. Facts" rundown, AARP says:
AARP:
Fact: None of the health care reform proposals being considered by Congress would cut Medicare benefits or increase your out-of-pocket costs for Medicare services.
"The president has promised repeatedly that benefit levels won’t be reduced, reiterating the point recently in Portsmouth, N.H.:"

He, BO, also promised transparency and open debate! Can I believe anything that he or the democrats say, hell no! Can I believe what any republican says, hell no! They are all out of control.

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#49
Jan 12, 2010
 
mwc

Houston, TX

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#50
Jan 12, 2010
 
so it doesn't make sense to cut spending? Reduce taxes since congress just chose not to give a COL to those on SS and SSI, and yet voted themselves a raise? But it doesn't make sense to stop spending money on no essential items such as research of cows belching which was funded in the past.
" extracts $500 billion from projected Medicare spending over 10 years, as scored by the Congressional Budget Office, by doing such things as trimming projected increases in the program’s payments for medical services," is that saying it is removing the benefit payments for a new bill that has no benefits until 2014. Sounds that way to me. The Heritage foundation:
"Senator Max Baucus (D-MT) is proposing major changes to the Medicare program under the America's Healthy Future Act of 2009. According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), these changes would reduce Medicare spending by hundreds of billions of dollars over 10 years. Unfortunately, the projected Medicare savings would not be "sequestered and redirected back into the financially troubled Medicare program, nor would they constitute a down payment on real Medicare reform. This policy would, in other words, simply fuel expanded government at taxpayers' expense."

The Medicare proposal is a grab bag of large and small policy changes ranging from benefit expansions to payment formula changes for doctors (including the physician payment update) and hospitals combined with new reporting requirements and even more layers of regulation. The CBO estimates that these Medicare payment changes would save an estimated $182 billion over 10 years.[1] But the major policy change is the introduction of "competitive bidding" to Medicare Advantage, a new way of financing the system of private health plans created by the Medicare Modernization Act of 2003. This would save an estimated $123 billion over 10 years.[2]"
So benefits are lost and recuperated where???? No where for 10 years so who benefits from them no one and who loses thaos on medcare and medicaid.

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

Austin, TX

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#51
Jan 12, 2010
 
Health Care Myth -- Health reform will control costs by depriving patients of needed medical treatments.

There is absolutely nothing in any of the reform measures that suggests or requires that needed medical treatments will not be available. In contrast, within our existing system, those without insurance or “under-insured” patients who can not afford rising out of pocket payments are denied needed medical treatments on a routine basis.

Reform makes it more likely that patients will receive needed medical treatments (not less likely).
pop

United States

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#52
Jan 12, 2010
 
Bill ZZ wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch.. .
Video isn't provided on your link Bill. Why are you showing up with the Anonymous id instead of Bill ZZ? Now that I'm replying, it says Bill ZZ. Strange.
mwc

Houston, TX

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#53
Jan 12, 2010
 
Heritage foundation:
"Regardless of one's views of the Senate bill, it does not comport with the broad popular themes articulated by President Barack Obama and the many congressional leaders who have championed these policies. Contrary to the President's repeated promises to the American people,[5] the Senate bill, like its House counterpart, would:

Cause many Americans to lose their current health insurance. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that up to 10 million Americans would no longer be covered by their employers.[6] Given the bill's incentives for employers to discontinue job-based coverage, independent analysts expect the loss of employer-based coverage to be much higher.
Bend the cost curve up. According to independent analysts and government actuaries, the bill would substantially increase total health care spending instead of reducing it as promised. Richard Foster, Chief Actuary of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), recently judged the projected savings from the Medicare updates as "doubtful" and estimated that the total national spending on health care would increase.[7]
Impose many new taxes on middle-class Americans. The Senate bill contains over a dozen new taxes, including a 40 percent excise tax on high-priced health plans and special fees and taxes on insurance, drugs, medical devices, and anyone who violates the new mandates.[8]
Reduce many seniors' access to Medicare benefits and services. The bill would reduce Medicare payments by an estimated $493 billion over 10 years,[9] including payment reductions for Medicare Advantage, hospital care, home health care, and nursing homes.
Provide federal funding for abortion. Contrary to the President's clear statement to Congress and the nation on health care reform,[10] the Senate bill would provide funding for abortion. The House would prohibit using taxpayers' dollars to finance abortion, but a similar amendment to the Senate bill was tabled without even a floor vote.[11]

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

Austin, TX

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#54
Jan 12, 2010
 
The Health Care Legislation Mandates Taxpayer Dollars Pay for Abortions

Anti-abortion rights advocacy groups and legislators alike have complained that the health care legislation includes a "hidden abortion mandate," as some congressmen have put it.

Nothing in the legislation, however, has "mandated" that abortion services be included in the benefits package.

In fact, the House Energy and Commerce Committee on Thursday adopted an amendment, proposed by Rep. Lois Capps (D-Calif.), that would prohibit taxpayer dollars from funding abortions. The amendment would not allow the federal government to either require or prohibit abortion coverage by private insurers. It requires at least one plan from the federal health insurance exchange in each region of the country to cover abortion, and at least one of the plans to not cover abortion.

"Private health care providers are free to cover abortion, but not with federal funds," reports Dan Gilgoff of U.S. News and World Report. "The public plan would cover abortion, but not with federal funds; a Capitol Hill aide tells me money for abortions would come from what participants pay into the public plan."

It has yet to be determined how this issue will finally be settled.

Mr. Obama told CBS Evening News anchor Katie Couric in July that "I'm pro-choice, but I think we also have the tradition in this town, historically, of not financing abortions as part of government-funded health care."
mwc

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#55
Jan 12, 2010
 
heritage foundation:
Unreliable Medicare Cuts. The Senate bill depends on cutting Medicare to pay for its $1.2 trillion coverage expansion. Concerning the impact on Medicare enrollees, as CBO Director Doug Elemendorf explained, the bill would require a substantial reduction in the future growth of per capita beneficiary spending over the next 20 years compared to the previous 20 years.[15]

Proponents of the Senate legislation claim that Medicare spending reductions would result in higher efficiencies. But as James C. Capretta, a Fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, argues, "despite all of the talk of 'delivery system reform,' the Senate Democratic plan would not transform American medicine to make it more efficient."[16] The dramatic savings depend on conventional Medicare provider cuts, not on meaningful Medicare reform. Furthermore, as demonstrated by the ongoing effort to correct the Medicare physician payment formula, it is unlikely that Congress would allow such deep cuts to occur in Medicare.

Moreover, these Medicare cuts include more than $100 billion in "savings" from changes in Medicare Advantage plans, a move that would directly affect the benefits of millions of seniors. In his analysis of the Senate bill, Foster confirmed that these changes would result in "less generous packages" and that enrollment "would decrease by about 33 percent."[17]

The bill allows funding for the biggest abortion provided in the nation, "Planned Parenthood" they perform 1000's if not of abortions each year. What do you think they will use the funding for?

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

Austin, TX

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#56
Jan 12, 2010
 
If you like Medicare so much that you don't want anything to mess it up, why can't the rest of us have Medicare?

“Candor for the few”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

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#57
Jan 12, 2010
 
Hezekiah wrote:
The president has promised repeatedly that benefit levels won’t be reduced, reiterating the point recently in Portsmouth, N.H.:
Obama, Aug. 11: Another myth that we’ve been hearing about is this notion that somehow we’re going to be cutting your Medicare benefits. We are not.
Is he wrong? Not according to AARP,...
The president isn't even writing this bill... he will sign anything that is put before him by the Congress, just to say he accomplished something. He has already lied about most of his campaign promises, why would you expect anything different?

AARP is a Left-supporting organization and has lost many members because of their support, which shows that they do not support the views of many. I will never give them a penny of my money, no matter what kind of so-called "benefits" they offer.

The "facts" of FactCheck are a bit off-base, as it does not reflect the reality of what will happen under the auspices of this proposed plan. While they claim that Medicare will not be cut, but only "saving" from increases, etc., in effect it will cut services as costs increase.

In an case, I certainly don't want any government bureaucracy having control over my health care or other similar aspects of my life. By the same token, the government has no right to mandate whether or not I am required to even purchase health insurance. They already have their hands in way too many aspects of our life, we don't need more government telling us what to do and thinking that they can better take care of me, than me.

This country was founded on the concept of personal freedom. There are no other guarantees that is owed The People, nor should be expected from others in a Free Society. Everyone has the same opportunity to make of themselves, what they wish... should they wish to take the risks. The same goes for the banks, auto makers and others that take such risks... when the government gets involved, it only takes your freedom and cost you more, in the long run.

“Candor for the few”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

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#58
Jan 12, 2010
 
Hezekiah wrote:
If you like Medicare so much that you don't want anything to mess it up, why can't the rest of us have Medicare?
Open your tiny little mind for just a moment and read what he/she said... it was explained pretty well.
mwc

Houston, TX

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#59
Jan 12, 2010
 
I haven't said you can't congress and the president says you can't. A lot of it has to do with income levels and age. If you are on SSI you get Medcaid I believe. My son who has a learning disability and epilepsy is not able to get SSI even though his Doctor has said he is not able to work. The SS department Doctors say he is, if they can't do any better than that and won't listen to peoples doctors then what will the health care system be like!

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

Austin, TX

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#60
Jan 12, 2010
 
Medicare is a good system that no one wants to do away with. mwc seems to be pretty concerned that Medicare will be messed up by the proposed health care reforms.

So why not advocate that health care reform simply be an expansion of Medicare?

I don't know what DPTX is talking about. He seems to be some poor retarded cousin of Red Dawn.
red dawn

Crosby, TX

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#61
Jan 12, 2010
 
HEZ---you can not hide your left loon self with the anonymous name.

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

Austin, TX

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#62
Jan 12, 2010
 
Is it true that you and DPTX are cousins? Are cousins the same as siblings where you and DPTX come from?

“Candor for the few”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

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#63
Jan 12, 2010
 
Hezekiah wrote:
Is it true that you and DPTX are cousins? Are cousins the same as siblings where you and DPTX come from?
Nope... that's just your family that shares those traits.
Bill

Houston, TX

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#64
Jan 12, 2010
 
"It's The People's Seat."
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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