Health Care Debate - Deer Park, TX

Discuss the national Health Care debate in Deer Park, TX.

Do you support President Obama's health care policy?

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“Don't confuse me with facts”

Since: Apr 09

Deer Park

#25 Jan 9, 2010
Hezekiah wrote:
<quoted text>
So I'm going to give him "Gasbag" and I'll start referring to him as a lying, moronic, rotten, floor-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, bible-beating, dirt-eating, inbred, over-stuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fatass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spineless, worm-headed Republican sack of monkey turds.
That is totally my favorite movie!!
pop

United States

#26 Jan 9, 2010
Weegi wrote:
Hezekiah and DPTX have popped up as anonymous on my screen. Pop comes up as pop.
Hez is Hez on mine. Strange maybe someone hacked this thread.
mwc

Houston, TX

#27 Jan 11, 2010
just really looked back here. Medicare and Medicaid don't dictate your doctors treatment, this health care bill will. The Government will dictate treatment due to several different methods that will be in place to oversee cost, if the age of a person is greater than let's say 55 and let's say the cost of treating them for cancer the government run insurance will decline to pay for treatment based on the age of the patient opting to pay for care of someone who is younger. If you have insurance and you get cancer right bnow your insurance would at least pay for treatment. I have a suplemental insurance policy for cancer myself. The older you are the less cost effective it will be to treat you. Medicare and Medcaid don't dictate that they just dictate how much can be charged for certain services. That is not dictating our health care. What we need is the control of cost through let's say TORT refom for one. Our health care is not the problem it is the cost of insurance that is the problem. Reducing the cost of services will drive the cost of insurance down, while keeping the quality of care high. The bill that is currently going through congress doesn't do any of that. It will reduce quality of care while driving up cost. Plus dictating that you and I will purchase health care whether we want it or not. If I can afford to pay for my health care without insurance why should I be forced to purchase insurance. If I can't afford insurance how can I afford to pay the tax for not having it? This bill is just not good for America or the American people.
red dawn

Crosby, TX

#28 Jan 11, 2010
the OBOOOOMBIE health care plan--over 55 and white ,pay pay pay ,get sick just die whitey.

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

Austin, TX

#29 Jan 11, 2010
Blatant lies, mwc.

“Trying to be civil with idiots”

Since: Oct 09

Sarajevo, Bosnia

#30 Jan 11, 2010
i oppose it

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

Austin, TX

#31 Jan 11, 2010
Want my town back wrote:
i oppose it
Would you repeal Medicare?

“Trying to be civil with idiots”

Since: Oct 09

Sarajevo, Bosnia

#32 Jan 11, 2010
No i wouldnt. I have no problem helping my elders who helped build this country for me. It is too bad that the goverment mismanaged it so badly that it is broke. I guess they are wanting a do over now but decided to up the anty.
mwc

Houston, TX

#33 Jan 11, 2010
Hezekiah you must not be paying attention to the bill or you have blinders on. Those are in the bill especially the taxation of anyone without health care. Sen. Backus from MT saw to that provision.

“Candor for the few”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#34 Jan 11, 2010
Actually, it is HeZeTrd that is a lying, moronic, rotten, floor-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, bible-beating, dirt-eating, inbred, over-stuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fatass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spineless, worm-headed Left-Loon sack of monkey turds.

The funny thing is... I don't have a problem with dog kisses, in case that was supposed to be an insult. It might be noted that HeZeTrd has proven her stupidity once again. Please point us to the post where I took HeZeTrd from someone.

No, the Gasbag doesn't pay attention to anything. HeZeTRD has a one track mind and there's nothing you can say or do that might make sense to the average person, which will change the gaseous state of mind of this dimwitted loon. That's why she keeps repeating herself, constantly. You'll notice that is her ONLY comeback. She can't provide any information on why she supports the bill, except that BO is the greatest thing since penicillin, which of course is great news for her, as it gets rid of her canker sores real quick.

Actually, HeZeTRD doesn't have blinders on... she's blind as a rabid bat, fluttering all over the place, bumping its head into the walls. Fortunately, there's nothing in the skull to worry about damaging.

It was refreshing though, to hear Gasbag actually say something besides her typical "Medicare" line, when she states "Blatant lies, mwc". Don't you just love the she backs up her informative posts?

“Candor for the few”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#35 Jan 11, 2010
SO... whatch'all think of the score board?
HeZeTRD doesn't care much for statistics, but I appears to be pretty close to the real opinion of The People!

hmmmm...
8640 Support
21,078 OPPOSE!!!

That comes to about 71% in opposition and ONLY 29% in favor, which is just a little bit higher than the percentage of "Progressives" in this country.

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

United States

#36 Jan 11, 2010
I prefer a socialized health care system like every other civilized nation in the world. The simplest way to accomplish this would be to expand Medicare for everyone.

The barely acceptable compromise would be a strong public option taking the form of government insurance that anyone could buy. When that was defeated by the insurance companies, a 55-year-old buy-in to Medicare would be acceptable to me. When that was taken off the table, I no longer support passage of health care reform, barring some miracle.

It might be relevant to note that the health care bill is not final yet. However, I no longer support this disgraceful compromise.

mwc's assertion that the government will dictate treatment any more than private insurers currently do is patently false. His solution to spiraling insurance costs is also highly suspect.

However, I agree that mandatory coverage in this version of reform is merely a gigantic giveaway to the insurance companies with no mechanism for controlling spiraling costs.

I understand that health care must be paid for. As it stands, individuals pay high insurance premiums and corporations and small businesses pay a high percentage of the rest of it. That's not good for global competition and millions of people can't afford the cost.

If the total amount of health care expenditures for the entire population is the same, how can private insurance provide equal health care while taking a sizable profit and spending at least 15% in administrative costs.

It would be more cost effective and humane to channel the money spent for insurance premiums through the government to finance a not-for-profit system intended to serve everyone.

Other countries provide quality health care for all citizens through socialized health care systems. Why are we not capable of it?

The answer is that corporate interests own the politicians, as well as the propaganda outlets, and will ultimately prevail.

“Candor for the few”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#37 Jan 11, 2010
Listen REAL closely dimwit...
1) Medicare is BROKE!!!
2) The "health care bill" that is being proposed is NOT even close to resembling Medicare!!

The closest resemblance it may have to Medicare is that it is going to bankrupt our country.

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

United States

#38 Jan 11, 2010
"mwc" and "want my town back," I apologize for any rude response I might have aimed toward you, but as you can see, I'm not used to having anything approaching a civil conversation on the Deer Park forum.

"want my town back," you are the first person to respond to my question about repealing Medicare. I agree with your sentiment, but I don't blame government mismanagement for the spiraling cost of health care in general. In fact, government administrative costs are significantly better than that of the private insurers.

Medicare is an extremely popular program for good reason. Before Medicare, old folks were likely to be among the poorest citizens and did not have the resources for good health care. Now they have the best health care.

We could provide the same kind of health care for everyone if we had the political will.

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

United States

#39 Jan 11, 2010
DPTX wrote:
Listen REAL closely dimwit...
1) Medicare is BROKE!!!
2) The "health care bill" that is being proposed is NOT even close to resembling Medicare!!
The closest resemblance it may have to Medicare is that it is going to bankrupt our country.
As I plainly stated, the fact that the health care bill doesn't even resemble Medicare is the reason I won't support it.

Now, I am going to speculate that you would be in favor of repealing Medicare, since I'm sure you don't want the country to go bankrupt. Couldn't you just come out and say it?
red dawn

Crosby, TX

#40 Jan 11, 2010
hez would YOU repeal medicare????

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

Austin, TX

#41 Jan 12, 2010
No, I would expand Medicare to cover every citizen in the country.
mwc

Houston, TX

#42 Jan 12, 2010
So then you are against the health care bill currently before congress? Seeing as how it cuts Medicare benefits immediately and doesn't replace coverage until 2014 or so. The taxes on it start immediately the benefits are years down the line. Medicare and Medicad are good programs but are run by a bad administrator who has bankrupt the sytem by borrowing from it, oh wait that is the FEDS who run it congress to be exact, borrowing funds from it to pay for pet programs. Wish the would pass a law that would keep them from borrowing against SS, Medicare and Medicad but both sides have their pet projects and need the money.
mwc

Houston, TX

#43 Jan 12, 2010
Medcare doesn't have a panel appointed to oversee treatment of patients like the proposed govt run health care would. This panel of non-doctors would look at the cost of treat for each patient and either allow or deny the treatment based on their assessment of the best use of the funds. In the long term will the treatment benefit the patient for a long period of time. Well someone say 60 doesn't have that many years left so should we ok cancer treatment, or will the funds be better spent on cancer treatment for someone younger. This has already been talked about by those proposing the govt run health care. This panel would also ensure as the govt run health care will require that Doctors will counsel elderly and terminally ill patients on ending their life, that it is alright to end their life rather than be a burden on society or their family. No Doctor should be required to give this type of counsilling.
The final straw is that with govt run health care tax dollars will be used to fund abortion, while I do believe abortion is wrong and taking a human life is wrong I know it is going to happen. But, I don't want my hard earned money paying for it and the govt never has and has rules stating that no tax money will be used but this bill ignores the law and the rules to suit the purpose of it's supporters. This bill is simply wrong for America and its citizens.

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

Austin, TX

#44 Jan 12, 2010
This is from FactCheck.org :

False: Medicare Benefits Will Be Slashed

The claim that Obama and Congress are cutting seniors’ Medicare benefits to pay for the health care overhaul is outright false, though that doesn’t keep it from being repeated ad infinitum.

The truth is that the pending House bill extracts $500 billion from projected Medicare spending over 10 years, as scored by the Congressional Budget Office, by doing such things as trimming projected increases in the program’s payments for medical services, not including physicians. Increases in other areas, such as payments to doctors, bring the net savings down to less than half that amount. But none of the predicted savings – or cuts, depending on one’s perspective – come from reducing current or future benefits for seniors.

The president has promised repeatedly that benefit levels won’t be reduced, reiterating the point recently in Portsmouth, N.H.:

Obama, Aug. 11: Another myth that we’ve been hearing about is this notion that somehow we’re going to be cutting your Medicare benefits. We are not.

Is he wrong? Not according to AARP, by far the nation’s largest organization representing the over-50 population. In a "Myths vs. Facts" rundown, AARP says:

AARP:
Fact: None of the health care reform proposals being considered by Congress would cut Medicare benefits or increase your out-of-pocket costs for Medicare services.

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