Health Care Debate - Chicago, IL

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Magic

Villa Park, IL

#49 Sep 13, 2009
Joe wrote:
I'm amazed anyone wants the Federal Government to take over the health insurance industry. What have they ever run at a profit, ever? Medicare is broke, Medicaid is broke, Social Security is broke, and the Federal Government is massively in debt. And people want them to take over health insurance?
Why don't they stay out of it altogether other than passing some legislation to make individual policies guaranteed issue.(Which will raise rates even more, but oh well, that's what people want it seems).
Actually what people want is freebies. They pretty much want free healthcare, and make someone else pay for it.
Personally I don't think they should waste the money on health insurance. Let the poor and the downtrodden go to government run clinics at the hospitals and make the emergency rooms for emergencies again.
Buying health insurance for 45 million people is just a total waste of money. Most of these people wouldn't pay their deductibles and copays anyway. Set up some government run clinics, and hire some Pakistani surgeons and be done with it.
Most of us would rather remain in the private health care system as would most doctors. But if don't like paying for it or can't pay for then go the government clinic. If your income is above a certain level then you still have to pay for the government clinic. Will the lines at the government clinic be short,.....no, but if 45 millon start jamming up doctor's offices those lines won't be short either.
This is pathetic, yes you are right, I guess we are stuck on stupid in America, and we really are blind. What is this about? Do they think they elected a Messiah? Follow him to the depths of hell or what? Wow? I wish more people would listen to you, and others like you, common sense is really lacking here. Moreover you are right about the freebies, most of the people that are on Medicare are scared to death, and the Public Aide people don't care because they will continue with the freebies so then we have the middle class and that is where we have to stop the buck or we will all be in trouble for sure!
Free to have an opinion

Oroville, CA

#52 Sep 14, 2009
Hot choc~

You made an uneducated statement made about Mexico's health services. If it is so great then why do the illegal aliens come here? It is true that health care is cheaper there but what good is it if your government is corrupt and you have zippo to begin with? I know people in America who go to Mexico for dental and eye glasses because these things are cheaper. Meanwhile, I know illegals who come here for a free ride along with the seasonal jobs they work while reproducing citizens who also get a free ride at our expense.

for everyone out there: does anyone know anyone who has died because they didn't have health insurance?

I have a daughter who does not have health coverage and she has serious health problems. She doesn't quite meet the income guidelines for medical. She has a disability so she qualifies for medicare. But she chooses not to pay the premiums. So as much as I love her I think she needs to take responsibility for herself not me and everyone else.
Just Observing

United States

#53 Sep 14, 2009
CyberPoop wrote:
<quoted text>
what planet do you live on?
The trend of insurance options offered by employers is hugely in the direction of the HMO.
The cost of all health insurance is way up - and the non-HMO are unaffordable to the vast majority.
Must depend on where you work. My employer priced the HMO options out of reason years ago. PPO plans are the preferred(at least at my employer). My physicians' office stopped taking new HMO patients back in 2002. Posted it for all to see.
There are no generalities in this debate. Some employers offer better options than others.
I believe there has to be reform across the board. Insurance companies, hospitals, doctors and labs. They look like the dog chasing their own tail in the name of profit.

“Santa Claus is a Democrat!”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#54 Sep 14, 2009
lies more lies wrote:
ILLEGALS CAN NOT GET MEDICARE STUPID. HE IS NOT GIVING THE ILLEGAL SCUMBAGS AMNESTY STUPID.
ANOTHER LIE.MAGIC SAID, "" We are at war and for now the health care is fine and we can wait until the Prez makes a move to end these wars in Iraq and Afghanlan" HEY FEAR MONGERING STUPID F***
THE REPUBLICANS STARTED THESE WARS . AND ANOTHER THING HEALTH CARE IS NOT FINE PEOPLE ARE GOING BROKE PAYING FOR HEALTH CARE, FAMILIES WITH GOOD JOBS, AND THE INSURANCE CRIMINALS ARE RIPPING THE USA OFF BIG TIME. GREED GREED GREED, AND YOU SAY HEALTH CARE IS FINE . WHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM, URANUS I BET. THE ELDERLY ALREADY HAVE MEDICARE STUPID F***, AND THE DISABLED . YOUR LIES ARE NOT WORKING ANY MORE THE PRES SAID IT ON TV THE OTHER DAY BUT IDIOTS LIKE YOU STILL TRY AND LIE, LIE LIE AND FEAR MONGER , YOU ARE FULL OF SH**........
You want to talk about lies? How about that we won't lose our current options? BIG LIE!!!! Companies are already notifying their employees that they will stop offerring their employee based plan and will wait and see what happens with the bill in Congress.

HOW ABOUT SELLING ONE OF YOUR VEHICLES OR DOWNSIZING YOUR HOME, OR STAY HOME ON SATURDAY NIGHT? Then you could afford insurance.

You are right that the Republicans initiated this war, but you are stupid to think it began with the Republicans. Who started NAFTA??????

As far as people going broke paying for health care, what is your priority? Do you prefer a new shiney car or your health? I live the Canadian health care and it is ugly, very ugly. The waiting periods are real, hospitals are closing and people are dying because they can't get treatment.

Our hospitals in the U.S. are already overran with people abusing the system what will it be like if it is free to everyone?

You can be naive and listen to the Obama lies, but I won't. He should never have been voted in. He has way too many dangerous liasons and what appears to be a personal agenda.

Regardless of what Obama says about illegals not getting coverage, I know they will. They get drivers license, bank accounts, welfare, foodstamps, what is to stop them from getting the insurance. Sure, no policy would ever include them, but you can't stop them. If they could, they would deport them.

Speaking of anger ... go back and read your post! You are full of anger, afraid someone will say something negative about the all powerful Obama, but I am here to tell you that I don't support his polices. And he is what scares me.

“Santa Claus is a Democrat!”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#55 Sep 14, 2009
Wendy in Illinois wrote:
For those that are not very intelligent:
My employers health costs just rose 20% over past year and 20% the year before. My older son's employer's healthcare costs went up 25% over the past year. They are upping our out of pocket expenses and deductibles every year. How long do you think this can go on? Wake up and look at the future. Employers will not be able to afford keeping their employees insured for much longer. Then you will all be screaming and wining that the government should have done something when you were the ones screaming to stop them from trying to do something. You need to stop being brainless and see that the growing healthcare disaster is much worse than trying to do something. Also, my younger son could not get health insurance because of pre-existing conditions. He was not offered healthcare through work. His only option was through the state pool. We could not afford the outrageous premium so he was uninsured with severe asthma. We are just one of millions who are having huge problems. The current system is failing and getting worse every year. A friend just called me the other day. Her and her husband have their own business so they have an individual health insurance policy for themselves. They just received their annual renewal and their premiums went up over $150 per month. Anyone who thinks healthcare does not need to be overhauled is completely stupid.
I don't believe you. If your son was covered under your policy then HIPPA requires that pre-existing conditions be covered. The problem is that people don't want to pay for their coverage. Prices are too high, I don't deny that, but a plan that the government pays for will not work!

Canada's is near bankrupt, and they don't even have the costs we do in regards to the military. How do you propose this gets paid for?

There are options to help repair the insurance program, but scrapping it all is a HUGE mistake. Americans need to summons up their pride and quit waiting on the government to pay for their basic needs.

Years ago it was a shame to take handouts from the government, now it is becomming the norm. Why not stop the insanity of raising generation after generation on welfare and government handouts, go back to the basics of people taking care of yourself?

“Santa Claus is a Democrat!”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#57 Sep 14, 2009
super rip off wrote:
THESE COMMENTS ARE FROM REPUBLICANS,""" how about you look at the Repulicans health care reform package"" """"" Why is he focusing on healthcare now """" TYPICAL REP NONSENSE THEY SAY, DONT DO IT NO NO NO. ALL THE REP SAY ABOUT ANYTHING OBAHMA DOES. WHEN FOR THE LAST 8 YRS BUSH DID NOTHING TO HELP ""ALL"" " AMERICANS.
First of all I am not a big Bush fan, but for you idiots that ask, what did Bush do? When is the last time you flew? He protected your butt along with all Americans and now you idiots want to prosecute him for that.

As far as what Obama has done, he has used the White House as a playground for him and his followers. He has ran up the deficit and made America the 2nd largest world economy down from the 1st. He is making us a target for attacks on our on soil and he is trying to ram this public option down our throats.

There are alternatives without going to the public option.

AMERICA ... SUMMONS UP YOUR PRIDE AND STOP TAKING HANDOUTS!!!!! It use to be embarrassing to take anything from the government, and now it is becoming the norm. How many vehicles do you own? Do you own your own home? Do you go on vacation every year? Try giving up some of the pleasures in life and pay your own way on every level, including health care.

As far as what the government can do, they can do Tort reform and bring down the costs of Malpractice insurance. They can deport ALL the illegal aliens and give the country back to the citizens.

This economy was predicted years ago. The illegals are bankrupting America. They flood the hospitals and never pay a dime. So the hospitals end up closing because they can't afford to give the free care. THEY ALSO take food stamps and welfare and nothing or no one is going to stop them w/out booting them out of here. But, what has this wonderful leader Obama done, banned deportation temporarily.

For those of you that only see things black and white, there is a whole other color in between. Look at the whole picture and quit dreaming about what next the government can give you!

“Santa Claus is a Democrat!”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#61 Sep 14, 2009
orphanannie wrote:
<quoted text>
HIPAA laws have nothing to do with "pre-existing conditions" HIPAA stand for HEALTH INSURANCE PORTABILITY ACOUNTABILITY ACT, which has to do with patient privacy law...it has nothing to do with pre-existing conditions or being insured.
Hum, you should read more ...

FAQs About Portability Of Health Coverage And HIPAA

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What is the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA)?
HIPAA's is a federal law that:

Limits the ability of a new employer plan to exclude coverage for preexisting conditions;

Provides additional opportunities to enroll in a group health plan if you lose other coverage or experience certain life events;

Prohibits discrimination against employees and their dependent family members based on any health factors they may have, including prior medical conditions, previous claims experience, and genetic information; and

Guarantees that certain individuals will have access to, and can renew, individual health insurance policies.

HIPAA is complemented by state laws that, while similar to HIPAA, may offer more generous protections. You may want to contact your state insurance commissioner's office to ask about the law where you live. A good place to start is the Web site of the National Association of Insurance Commissioners at www.naic.org .

One of the most important protections under HIPAA is that it helps those with preexisting conditions get health coverage. In the past, some employers' group health plans limited, or even denied, coverage if a new employee had such a condition before enrolling in the plan. Under HIPAA, that is not allowed. If the plan generally provides coverage but denies benefits to you because you had a condition before your coverage began, then HIPAA applies.

Under HIPAA, a plan is allowed to look back only 6 months for a condition that was present before the start of coverage in a group health plan. Specifically, the law says that a preexisting condition exclusion can be imposed on a condition only if medical advice, diagnosis, care, or treatment was recommended or received during the 6 months prior to your enrollment date in the plan. As an example, you may have had arthritis for many years before you came to your current job. If you did not have medical advice, diagnosis, care, or treatment Ė recommended or received Ė in the 6 months before you enrolled in the plan, then the prior condition cannot be subject to a preexisting condition exclusion. If you did receive medical advice, diagnosis, care, or treatment within the past 6 months, then the plan may impose a preexisting condition exclusion for that condition (arthritis). In addition, HIPAA prohibits plans from applying a preexisting condition exclusion to pregnancy, genetic information, and certain children.

http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/faqs/faq_consumer_hip...
sankar

Schaumburg, IL

#62 Sep 14, 2009
The system is broken even for those with insurance. The costs are going up more than income.

“Santa Claus is a Democrat!”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#63 Sep 14, 2009
orphanannie wrote:
You assume, Escapee, that ALL Americans are just wanting a hand out...they aren't...they are willing to pay...but they are not willing to pay THOUSANDS of dollars a year to an insurance company who has no limits on what they will charge, what they will cover, or not cover, or what they will deny...I think it is completely IRONIC that health insurance companies are charging the kind of premiums that they are, yet they are allowed to not hold true to that premium...while at the same time, they are asking the federal government for their own handouts...
They pay their CEO'S MILLIONS of dollars, on top of bonuses....maybe instead of flogging the masses with yet another "you're selfish and lazy" tongue lashing, maybe we should refuse to pay insurance companies ANYTHING!
I think hospitals should charge less...they don't need to make billions in profits every year.
Instead of making their money off the backs of their employees, specifically nurses, they should consider losing their manager over the other manager over the other manager folks...and allow a free market to exist. The hospitals are just as guilty for the increased costs....if people could negotiate their price for elective procedures, it might pull some of these high mighties out of the clouds...part of the problem with hospitals is that they have groomed the American public that they are really hotels with concierge services...valet parking, mahoghany walls, bamboo flooring, marble sinks...
THAT"S CRAP! I don't need that....I need competent doctors and nurses, and people who know how to wash their hands! I need efficient medicine...and compassionate medicine...not a marble sink! It's not a Hilton, people...
THIS IS WHERE THE MONEY GOES...
Yes, if you want the government to pay for your health insurance you are wanting a handout. No other way to put it.

Be careful what you wish for you might just get it. I went to an emergecny room in Canada, no air conditioning, in the middle of summer. So in the emergency room they had all the doors and windows open to cool it off. There was a lady in the bed next to me that the family had to call in for her last rites, the preist was there and they were literally swatting flies and bugs off he while they read the last rites. She or her family was given no privacy because the rooms aren't available.

I also think hospitals should charge less, but part of the problem is that people don't pay one penny of what they owe. So to recoop it, they jack the prices. Not only that, we have so many people that use the emergency room for things that aren't an emergency. But, they jam the rooms full and never pay a dime, because they know they won't have to pay anything at that moment.

And, can you imagine what the expense is to keep the doors of an emergency room open? To have 5 or more doctors on staff, multiple nurses and cleaning staff. Not to mention the utilities and supplies.

I never once said that the health care in the U.S. doesn't need revamping, but to go to a single payer system is ridiculus and a very slippery slope.

Since: Aug 08

Chitown

#64 Sep 14, 2009
TN 912er wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm assuming when you say an alternative option, your referring to a government option. It may very well drive the private sector price down, however the private sector , us , the tax payer will then be paying our part in the private sector and paying our part via taxes to the alternative option. Where are the savings? In the long run we could be paying more for healthcare than we are now
But you are already paying for your private insurance. Don't think that premiums are low, they are not. Companies are paying your share of premiums, and are effectively passing the bill to you in a form of lower wage.

Public option will bring down administrative costs, and in a bigger pool of people, there is going to be a larger savings in numbers.

“Santa Claus is a Democrat!”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#65 Sep 14, 2009
Anikitos wrote:
<quoted text>
But you are already paying for your private insurance. Don't think that premiums are low, they are not. Companies are paying your share of premiums, and are effectively passing the bill to you in a form of lower wage.
Public option will bring down administrative costs, and in a bigger pool of people, there is going to be a larger savings in numbers.
How is this going to be paid for? Can you possibly grasp what you are even saying? Millions of folks getting sick and are hurt everyday billions of dollars currently paid by the insurance companies. Those billions would have to come from somewhere.

I would ask you, are you willing to pay 13% sales tax and much greater to cover it? Are you willing to wait 4-5 months for simple procedures such as an MRI or CAT scan? Those are real wait times not exaggerated. You can Google it yourself ... Ontario Medical Wait Times. But, I donít have to Google it, I live it every day. In Ontario the sales tax is 13% and Canada doesnít have the military expense that the U.S. has.

But, I still contend that many people could afford it if they would cut back on luxuries. I see it every day. People complaining and whining about what they have to pay for their coverage, and even some that say they canít afford it, but arenít willing to forfeit some of their pleasures.

I am very sincere when I tell you that Canadaís healthcare program is almost bankrupt. Hospitals are closing everywhere. Some people have to travel 20-30 miles for medical emergencies. And when they get to the hospital they have to wait hours because there are not enough doctors.

I am willing to pay extra to help others, but not to help everyone. Some people need to buck up and do for themselves. For those who canít then there can be a legitimate plan to help them.
TAKE AN ASPIRIN

Des Plaines, IL

#66 Sep 15, 2009
DUMB A** SAID, But, I still contend that many people could afford it if they would cut back on luxuries. I see it every day. People complaining and whining about what they have to pay for their coverage, and even some that say they canít afford it, but arenít willing to forfeit some of their pleasures. IM NOT GIVING UP ON ANYTHING I HAVE FOR THE GREED OF THE INSURANCE COMPANIES, HOW ABOUT THE CEO'S OF THE INSURANCE COMPANIES GIVE UP THE MILLION DOLLAR SALERIES AND TAKE A PAY CUT. AND THE PAY OFFS TO OUR CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS, TO KEEP THEM IN THE BIG MONEY, CRIMINAL GREED , IT'S GOT TO STOP.
TAKE AN ASPIRIN

Des Plaines, IL

#67 Sep 15, 2009
DUMB A** SAID, The illegals are bankrupting America. I AGREE WITH THAT. RIGHT FOOD STAMPS, PUBLIC HOUSING, UNEMPLOYMENT BENIFITS, PUBLIC AID, IT'S ALL FREE TO THESE SCUMBAGS, AND THERE ILLEGALS.
Edward1334

Littleton, CO

#68 Sep 15, 2009
bee jay wrote:
<quoted text>i agree. i'm retired and since 2006, my health insurance has risen 100% and out of pocket costs rose 75%. this on a fixed incom. add the three property tax hikes in cook county since 2006, increased sales taxes and you have another retiree that is going to go to the assessors office to hand over the keys to my house since they have made it impossible to continue to live here and with my health care coupons (thats what coverage amounts to now) i have left the middle class and am now poor.
This Republic will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. With that your assertion is correct that Medical Care as an industry needs overhauled. I would submit that you two are the ones whining to our Government that they need to trample on the rights of everyone else for your sake. A truly free society would have true competition and therefore naturally lower medical costs for routine care. This in turn would negate the need for insurance except catastrophic care. Catastrophic care could be low payments with high coverage amounts like current life insurance. Your position is well understood, however you are attempting to have Obama and our Federal Government fix the symptom not the disease. Further where in our Constitution does it say the Federal Government can even entertain these ideas of expansion of powers, regulation and law? It does not and Health care is not a Federal issue, it is outside Constitutional authority. If you want to live in a country that is Socialist in nature and not a Republic, pack your bags and get out!

“Santa Claus is a Democrat!”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#69 Sep 15, 2009
TAKE AN ASPIRIN wrote:
IM NOT GIVING UP ON ANYTHING I HAVE FOR THE GREED OF THE INSURANCE COMPANIES, HOW ABOUT THE CEO'S OF THE INSURANCE COMPANIES GIVE UP THE MILLION DOLLAR SALERIES AND TAKE A PAY CUT. AND THE PAY OFFS TO OUR CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS, TO KEEP THEM IN THE BIG MONEY, CRIMINAL GREED , IT'S GOT TO STOP.
Sounds to me like you need to move to Russia. You would like to see the CEO of a PRIVATE owned agency have their wages or salaries capped by the government? LOL Well so much for the free world. First of all, high premiums is only a piece of the puzzle. The high cost of medicine is the major problem. Too many people bleeding off the health care industry is what causes the premiums to increase. I could care less how much they pay their CEOís. Do you truly believe that companies should not be allowed to make a profit?

And why do you think you shouldnít give up anything to have health insurance? Are you for real? If you want to truly find answers look at yourself and that ridiculous remark!!!!! You think all of America should pay for your health care while you drive multiple vehicles and live in a fine home and you arenít willing to surrender any luxury to pay for your own health care. Accountability! Accountability!

You have the same old tired story many have been singing for years.
lib brain freeze

United States

#70 Sep 15, 2009
A QUESTION wrote:
if youve got doctors making octo moms then a medical degree doesnt come with common sense or morals but fraud and greed come first
What does this comment have to do with
OBAHMA? EXPLAIN......
what is the plan? more tax money,problem is doctors,hospitals,etc not being policed theres alot of bilking going on and a lobby to keep it as is
doowop

Knoxville, TN

#72 Sep 15, 2009
i pay 45 dollars a week for insurance that wont cover my problems. now im stuck with insurance that doesnt help a damn bit. maybe i was stupid for falling for the pretty package they sent me from work, but isnt insurance suppose to help some. they some how proved that my back was pre exsisting and wont even help with my meds. obamas plan would actually help my case. as for now i pay for insurance i cant use. seems ridiculous to me that these companies can do that. at least give an option to cancel. but greed wont let them.
doowop

Knoxville, TN

#73 Sep 15, 2009
im in same shape as you. i work hard and pay a lot for insurance that is crap. just wanted u to know well said.
bigtop

Salt Lake City, UT

#74 Sep 15, 2009
I support
bigpinky

Richton Park, IL

#75 Sep 15, 2009
Escapee wrote:
<quoted text>
First of all I am not a big Bush fan, but for you idiots that ask, what did Bush do? When is the last time you flew? He protected your butt along with all Americans and now you idiots want to prosecute him for that.
As far as what Obama has done, he has used the White House as a playground for him and his followers. He has ran up the deficit and made America the 2nd largest world economy down from the 1st. He is making us a target for attacks on our on soil and he is trying to ram this public option down our throats.
There are alternatives without going to the public option.
AMERICA ... SUMMONS UP YOUR PRIDE AND STOP TAKING HANDOUTS!!!!! It use to be embarrassing to take anything from the government, and now it is becoming the norm. How many vehicles do you own? Do you own your own home? Do you go on vacation every year? Try giving up some of the pleasures in life and pay your own way on every level, including health care.
As far as what the government can do, they can do Tort reform and bring down the costs of Malpractice insurance. They can deport ALL the illegal aliens and give the country back to the citizens.
This economy was predicted years ago. The illegals are bankrupting America. They flood the hospitals and never pay a dime. So the hospitals end up closing because they can't afford to give the free care. THEY ALSO take food stamps and welfare and nothing or no one is going to stop them w/out booting them out of here. But, what has this wonderful leader Obama done, banned deportation temporarily.
For those of you that only see things black and white, there is a whole other color in between. Look at the whole picture and quit dreaming about what next the government can give you!
first of all, if bush had hunted bin laden like he should have instead of invading iraq, we wouldn't need so much protection. obama ran up the deficit? most of it was was handed to him from the bush administration and some of the programs and tax cuts bush put into place were not paid for so cut the crap. put the blame where it belongs and stop blaming obama. people like you were blaming him for our mess when he was in office only 2 weeks. by the way, that iraq war was something that wasn't in the budget. it is just adding to the deficit like it's been doing for years now along with the loss of our soldiers lives.

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