Health Care Debate - Brooklyn, NY

Discuss the national Health Care debate in Brooklyn, NY.

Do you support President Obama's health care policy?

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sue fox

New York, NY

#70 Jan 30, 2012
It's probably the closest we'll ever get to universal health care. My preference would be for "single payer."
TV MAN

United States

#71 Jan 30, 2012
If you think you don't want Obama care, ask yourself this question? If you get a pre-existing illness while on the job, yet get laid off, and can't find another job with insurance within 63 days your finished. No insurance company wants someone with a pre-existing illness. Obama's plan fixes that. The Repubilcans will depend a free market. NOT.
Blessed jj

Brooklyn, NY

#73 May 3, 2012
I agree 100%!!
maria

Brooklyn, NY

#74 Aug 23, 2012
it's socialist! this country is supposed to be competitive, not dragged and drained by the poor! Taxes are incredibly high enough, even without this terrible health plan!
maria

Brooklyn, NY

#75 Aug 23, 2012
People have to be able to choose what they want, it is a matter of choice! If you work hard, you can afford to buy your insurance - then you decided whether to do it or not and which health plan to get. If you don't have a job or you aren't getting paid well enough to get the insurance, well, then go study, get yourself a better job, create better conditions for yourself and your children and get an insurance if you decide so! It is all our choice in our life, nobody owes anything to anyone! Competitiveness! Free Market! No Socialism! That doesn't work, only makes people more lazy and ignorant.
what sense

Massapequa, NY

#77 Oct 22, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
If you think you don't want Obama care, ask yourself this question? If you get a pre-existing illness while on the job, yet get laid off, and can't find another job with insurance within 63 days your finished. No insurance company wants someone with a pre-existing illness. Obama's plan fixes that. The Repubilcans will depend a free market. NOT.
Another Lie that Obama told the American people, and the Liberal/socialists ate it up.
WARNNG to Seniors. Death panel for those over 70, thanks to Obamacare:

Mark Levin (WABC radio) receives a telephone call from a NeuroSurgeon, that he was called in to a meeting by the HHS, that if they were called in on an emergency call, and the patient was over 70 years old, they have to wait until the HHS United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)indicates what treatment they can receive.....I guess TV Jerk wasn't called in on that meeting.....lol. All joking aside this is the death panel that we have been warning you Seniors about. Listen to this and make your own mind up, and just maybe it will tell you whom to vote for, keeping in mind yourself and maybe your over 70 year old parents and grand-parents.(The radio station verified the caller was a bon-a-fide NeuroSurgeon)

http://www.youtube.com/watch ..
TV MAN

United States

#78 Oct 23, 2012
what sense wrote:
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Another Lie that Obama told the American people, and the Liberal/socialists ate it up.
WARNNG to Seniors. Death panel for those over 70, thanks to Obamacare:
Mark Levin (WABC radio) receives a telephone call from a NeuroSurgeon, that he was called in to a meeting by the HHS, that if they were called in on an emergency call, and the patient was over 70 years old, they have to wait until the HHS United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)indicates what treatment they can receive.....I guess TV Jerk wasn't called in on that meeting.....lol. All joking aside this is the death panel that we have been warning you Seniors about. Listen to this and make your own mind up, and just maybe it will tell you whom to vote for, keeping in mind yourself and maybe your over 70 year old parents and grand-parents.(The radio station verified the caller was a bon-a-fide NeuroSurgeon)
http://www.youtube.com/watch ..
That's funny health care reform isn't in full effect tell 2014. Besides, there isn't reports of seniors being treated by death panels. Do you speculate ans interpret for the benefit of one's agenda. You shouldn't allow hate for Obama to reflect your interpretations or speculations. Bottom line, you'll say anything to get rid of Obama.
TV MAN

United States

#79 Oct 23, 2012
maria wrote:
People have to be able to choose what they want, it is a matter of choice! If you work hard, you can afford to buy your insurance - then you decided whether to do it or not and which health plan to get. If you don't have a job or you aren't getting paid well enough to get the insurance, well, then go study, get yourself a better job, create better conditions for yourself and your children and get an insurance if you decide so! It is all our choice in our life, nobody owes anything to anyone! Competitiveness! Free Market! No Socialism! That doesn't work, only makes people more lazy and ignorant.
I got your freedom of choice.

For someone calling themselves logic, you have an absurd way of demonstrating it. The definition of logic : Logic is the study of the principles of correct reasoning. It seems you've missed the logic of insurance. Premiums represent an income stream that protects us against costs we can't afford as individuals. In order for insurance to comply with one's needs it must be capable to meet its operating expenses. Free Markets can't comprehend service without payment. In other words insurance can't effectively function with fewer and fewer participants. This system works when you have the healthy paying for those that are sick. If one believes they can afford health care without the help of insurance, is gambling with their checkbook. However, you should consider paying for insurance as an investment for your sick days on this earth. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when. If you live long enough, you'll receive all your money and more in return. See you don't get it. You pay so others don't need to pay for you. Freedom of choice concerning health services, can't compare to normal service within a free market system. If you're willing to take the risk of pulling your check book out with any chance of illness, you shouldn't worry about receiving a great return on your insurance premium. The only person that doesn't benefit from insurance, is a taker, or someone that dies without ever experiencing an illness. I don't think that would be a good bet. Pay for your insurance,stop whining, or lose it to the government. Simple is that. Period.
TV MAN

United States

#80 Oct 23, 2012
what sense wrote:
<quoted text>
Another Lie that Obama told the American people, and the Liberal/socialists ate it up.
WARNNG to Seniors. Death panel for those over 70, thanks to Obamacare:
Mark Levin (WABC radio) receives a telephone call from a NeuroSurgeon, that he was called in to a meeting by the HHS, that if they were called in on an emergency call, and the patient was over 70 years old, they have to wait until the HHS United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)indicates what treatment they can receive.....I guess TV Jerk wasn't called in on that meeting.....lol. All joking aside this is the death panel that we have been warning you Seniors about. Listen to this and make your own mind up, and just maybe it will tell you whom to vote for, keeping in mind yourself and maybe your over 70 year old parents and grand-parents.(The radio station verified the caller was a bon-a-fide NeuroSurgeon)
http://www.youtube.com/watch ..
It's you that defines Jerk. I call it shallow pockets. You're the type that want to gamble with your checkbook, with a tax payer guarantee. Close the pie hole and get some insurance. You'll get use to it. You won't have a choice. It's called law.
TV MAN

United States

#81 Oct 23, 2012
maria wrote:
it's socialist! this country is supposed to be competitive, not dragged and drained by the poor! Taxes are incredibly high enough, even without this terrible health plan!
Stop it, it's not socialist. Besides socialism has been renamed by fools who want you to think it's part of some evil third world country. It's all about insurance, meaning an economic way for us all to be able to afford those things we can't afford as individuals. Get it right, you sound stupid. That's why we need beefed up education. Stop all your false theories. Look up the definition of socialism. It's a social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively. In other words insurance with shared liability. Obama care includes the free market. You're describing Marxist theory, don't confuse the two different definitions. Get insurance,if you can't, prove it. Only then should government help.
Voice of Reason

Massapequa, NY

#82 Oct 24, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
<quoted text>Stop it, it's not socialist. Besides socialism has been renamed by fools who want you to think it's part of some evil third world country. It's all about insurance, meaning an economic way for us all to be able to afford those things we can't afford as individuals. Get it right, you sound stupid.
Hey Tv Fool, the USSR (Union of Soviet Socialist Republic) was known by the name of COMMUNISM.Also Obama through the HHS has already moved people from Medicare to a system where they must use the systems doctors, Like bluecross, where you can not go to any doctor or hospital you chose to. Try using your brain the next time you post or speak:

(National Journal) In his convention speech in Charlotte, President Obama vowed to block the Republican Medicare reform plan Medicarebecause “no American should ever have to spend their golden years at the mercy of insurance companies.”

But back in Washington, his Health and Human Services Department is launching a pilot program that would shift up to 2 million of the poorest and most-vulnerable seniors out of the federal Medicare program and into private health insurance plans overseen by the states.

The administration has accepted applications from 18 states to participate in the program, which would give states money to purchase managed-care plans for people who are either disabled or poor enough to qualify for both Medicare and Medicaid. HHS approved the first state plan, one for Massachusetts, last month.

Obama’s 2010 health reform law allows experimentation in delivering health care at lower cost through demonstration projects. Many states would like permission to shift their entire population of so-called dual-eligible beneficiaries into the new plans. HHS has indicated that it will enroll about 2 million beneficiaries, out of about 7 million who qualify for full benefits from both government health programs.

California is already counting on more than $500 million in budget savings from its own program this year. Most states are proposing to automatically enroll people. Those who don’t want to participate would need to opt out. The Massachusetts plan includes that feature.

From Paul Ryan, we have a proposal to allow seniors to choose to move to a program that gives them the choice of private health insurance, instead of standard Medicare insurance. Keep in mind that Ryan’s program would not affect seniors who are already in Medicare, unless they choose to join the new program he is proposing. Translation, he won’t be pushing Granny off that cliff, any time soon.

From the Department of Health and Human Services, under the direction of President Obama, we have a pilot program that is designed to move some of the poorest seniors into private health insurance plans, unless they specifically choose to opt-out of the program. If you read further into the details of the plan, you will find that most of the states who are applying for the program are choosing to automatically enroll people in their program. Again, this will mean those seniors will have to make a specific choice to not join the program. If anyone is pushing Granny off that cliff, it is President Obama and HHS.
At least Ryan's plan is voluntary and Ryan's plan with vouchers allows total open competition between plans, without restrictions of state lines, which Medicare users are not allowed to do. I know as I am over 70. TV JERK claims to be a millionaire so he should not open his mouth about this.

Ed Morrissey says this is so hypocritical of President Obama
Voice of Reason

Massapequa, NY

#83 Oct 24, 2012
TV MAN wrote:
<quoted text>It's you that defines Jerk. I call it shallow pockets. You're the type that want to gamble with your checkbook, with a tax payer guarantee. Close the pie hole and get some insurance. You'll get use to it. You won't have a choice. It's called law.
I have insurance its called the Republican Party, OF the people , BY the people, FOR the people. Not like the Democ-rats, of the Democ-rats, by the Democ-rats, for the Democ-rats, not for the People.

Another Lie that Obama told the American people, and the Liberal/socialists ate it up.
WARNNG to Seniors. Death panel for those over 70, thanks to Obamacare:

Mark Levin (WABC radio) receives a telephone call from a NeuroSurgeon, that he was called in to a meeting by the HHS, that if they were called in on an emergency call, and the patient was over 70 years old, they have to wait until the HHS United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)indicates what treatment they can receive.....I guess TV Jerk wasn't called in on that meeting.....lol. All joking aside this is the death panel that we have been warning you Seniors about. Listen to this and make your own mind up, and just maybe it will tell you whom to vote for, keeping in mind yourself and maybe your over 70 year old parents and grand-parents.(The radio station verified the caller was a bon-a-fide NeuroSurgeon)

http://www.youtube.com/watch ..
TV MAN

United States

#86 Oct 31, 2012
Voice of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
I have insurance its called the Republican Party, OF the people , BY the people, FOR the people. Not like the Democ-rats, of the Democ-rats, by the Democ-rats, for the Democ-rats, not for the People.
Another Lie that Obama told the American people, and the Liberal/socialists ate it up.
WARNNG to Seniors. Death panel for those over 70, thanks to Obamacare:
Mark Levin (WABC radio) receives a telephone call from a NeuroSurgeon, that he was called in to a meeting by the HHS, that if they were called in on an emergency call, and the patient was over 70 years old, they have to wait until the HHS United States Department of Health and Human Services (HHS)indicates what treatment they can receive.....I guess TV Jerk wasn't called in on that meeting.....lol. All joking aside this is the death panel that we have been warning you Seniors about. Listen to this and make your own mind up, and just maybe it will tell you whom to vote for, keeping in mind yourself and maybe your over 70 year old parents and grand-parents.(The radio station verified the caller was a bon-a-fide NeuroSurgeon)
http://www.youtube.com/watch ..
People like you think FEMA is unconstitutional. Opp's, your boy is sucking up to the government now that the people need it. Romney wanted to privatize FEMA, hows that working "FOOL".
TV MAN

United States

#87 Oct 31, 2012
The problem with Voice of No Reason starts with being a nut job. He doesn't state the rules he interprets the rules. That's what makes him dangerous. Maybe if his house was blown away he might suck up like his Republican boy. Right wing conservatives are one bulb away from nuts.

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