Health Care Debate - Blairsville, GA

[Truthis]

No one should be denied basic healthcare. Healthcare is a right not a privledge.

[Crow]

Wrong.

Particularly if you are talking non-citizens, meaning illegals, at the expense of tax paying residents. Which is what we have today already, unfortunately.

Hospitals cannot turn anyone away and illegals (read: people here illegally = criminals) are absorbing massive amounts of rescources in the Emergency rooms across the nation, particularly Cali and the south western states.

It's of note that Obama made sure there are NO provisions in his health care debacle to confirm citizenship. This means in REALITY our tax money benefiting illegals/foreigners.

But hey, what do you or Obama care? Just charge it all to our children/grandchildren.

[Crow]

No clear, defined way how to pay for this monstrosity. No provisions at ALL to ensure citizenship. He surrounds himself with (self-avowed) radicals, racists, marxists, and communists. Any one of those is reasons enough for me.

[Nobody]

Crow....I couldn't have said it any better.

Thank you

[bilbo baggins]

Down with Obama.

[Joe]

This basic right stuff is crap. No one "owes" you anything.

We don't need all this federal government interference. All they should do is make individual policies guaranteed issue and subsidize the insurance carrier if the applicant has certain health conditions.

All the rest of this is just a big government grab that is unnecessary. Obama complains about insurance companies and the people who work there and their profits, what a communistic attitude.

As if Obama isn't going to create a huge and unnecessary government bureaucracy full of high paid executives, pensions, tons of government employees etc.

I can't believe anyone in their right mind would want the federal government to have anything to do with taking over the entire industry.

Call your Congressman and tell them you are voting them out if this passes.

[Conservative Peach]

I have health insurance. I worked hard for an education and a career that insured health care. Other people had the same opportunity and didn't do it.
I don't want my health care taken away because others are careless.

[Conservative Peach]

Truthis wrote:

No one should be denied basic healthcare. Healthcare is a right not a privledge.

Wrong. It is something each person should take responsibility for and plan it into their lifestyle.
I don't want to hear the crap about minimum wage, blah, blah, blah. If you are older than 25 and still working for minimum wage, that is your own fault. There is no reason my GOOD health coverage should be jeopardized by losers who don't apply themselves in life.

[thinker]

What if this is what America should of been doing all along?? I mean the bible says to love on another, love thy neighbor, doesn't this mean to take care of them too?? Some people are just more unfortunate than others. We are NOT born equal. Due to circumstances, most beyond our control, some people don't make it as well as others. Before you start yelling, we all have the same opportunities, that's bull, we don't. Some do make it despite their circumstances, but MOST do not. We need to take care of each other and I think we would be a stronger country for doing so. Don't you wish everyone to be healthy?? Don't you wish, when you see the sick, you could help them? Couldn't we be better if our America was strong?? I just don't see why so many people think healthcare for all is a wrong idea. It's not what you people make it out to be. YOu use scare tactics and comparisons to countries that have nothing to do with our healthcare and ours isn't even proposed to be like others. I'm glad you people that have coverage have good coverage, but what if you didn't?? YOur very lucky. We spend more in rising healtchare costs because so many people who don't have insurance must have their bills written off. Then that money is passed on to everyone else to cover their loss. It's a viscious cycle that needs to be stopped. I VOTE FOR HEALTHCARE REFORM!!

[thinker]

Oh, and i'm one of the lucky ones, I have good healthcare coverage, but I still support Healthcare Reform because I want everyone to have the same opportunity as I have.

[GA Peach]

thinker wrote:

What if this is what America should of been doing all along?? I mean the bible says to love on another, love thy neighbor, doesn't this mean to take care of them too?? Some people are just more unfortunate than others. We are NOT born equal. Due to circumstances, most beyond our control, some people don't make it as well as others. Before you start yelling, we all have the same opportunities, that's bull, we don't. Some do make it despite their circumstances, but MOST do not. We need to take care of each other and I think we would be a stronger country for doing so. Don't you wish everyone to be healthy?? Don't you wish, when you see the sick, you could help them? Couldn't we be better if our America was strong?? I just don't see why so many people think healthcare for all is a wrong idea. It's not what you people make it out to be. YOu use scare tactics and comparisons to countries that have nothing to do with our healthcare and ours isn't even proposed to be like others. I'm glad you people that have coverage have good coverage, but what if you didn't?? YOur very lucky. We spend more in rising healtchare costs because so many people who don't have insurance must have their bills written off. Then that money is passed on to everyone else to cover their loss. It's a viscious cycle that needs to be stopped. I VOTE FOR HEALTHCARE REFORM!!

No, I don't feel like I want to help others. I want others to help themselves. I'm sick of half this country working their behinds off so the other half can suck off the government and our taxes.
What part of that don't you understand?

[Higgans]

thinker wrote:

What if this is what America should of been doing all along?? I mean the bible says to love on another, love thy neighbor, doesn't this mean to take care of them too?? Some people are just more unfortunate than others. We are NOT born equal. Due to circumstances, most beyond our control, some people don't make it as well as others. Before you start yelling, we all have the same opportunities, that's bull, we don't. Some do make it despite their circumstances, but MOST do not. We need to take care of each other and I think we would be a stronger country for doing so. Don't you wish everyone to be healthy?? Don't you wish, when you see the sick, you could help them? Couldn't we be better if our America was strong?? I just don't see why so many people think healthcare for all is a wrong idea. It's not what you people make it out to be. YOu use scare tactics and comparisons to countries that have nothing to do with our healthcare and ours isn't even proposed to be like others. I'm glad you people that have coverage have good coverage, but what if you didn't?? YOur very lucky. We spend more in rising healtchare costs because so many people who don't have insurance must have their bills written off. Then that money is passed on to everyone else to cover their loss. It's a viscious cycle that needs to be stopped. I VOTE FOR HEALTHCARE REFORM!!

Fine! get ur Congressperson to put forth an amendment and if a majority of ur fellow citizens and their states agree...presto! THEN it's a Right.
that's what is SUPPOSED to be the beauty of our Constitutional-form of gov't...it's adaptable. instead, we have just become a nation of law breakers, choosing to ignore or circumvent the Law of the Land, the Constitution.
less is better

[thinker]

You see, we're already paying for those who can't pay their medical bills. We pay for them everyday with higher medical costs and insurance premiums. We've been doing this for years and without some kind of reform, we're gonna run ourselves in the ground with rising healthcare costs and none of you will be able to afford insurance!!

Don't you know that for every shoplifter there is, the stores then raise their prices to recoup the loss, WE ALL end of paying for it in the end. Obamas plan would eliminate us getting screwed constanly and paying for those who's bills were written off. Now, we'd all be on a pretty much equal playing field.

Whether its his plan or another, we've got to do something about healthcare. My son works for the state of ga. Everytime he gets a raise, and I mean everytime, his health insurance premiums go up, so there goes his raise. He's gotten several raises but is bringing home the same amount he's brought home for years!!! That just doesn't seem fair!!!!!!! You see, he's already paying for others bills, he's just not being told he is. At least with this plan, we'd know what we are paying for!!!!!!!

[metoo]

GA Peach wrote:

<quoted text>
No, I don't feel like I want to help others. I want others to help themselves. I'm sick of half this country working their behinds off so the other half can suck off the government and our taxes.
What part of that don't you understand?

I hope your life goes exactly how you wish it to. Unfortunately, regular people like us have to deal with real life, which could include a loss of job. If you ever do have to deal with reality, hope you are lucky enough to find another job within a reasonable amount of time, and also hope that you have nothing wrong with you or anyone who depends on you for coverage, because I don't know of any company that covers preexisting conditions. I have excellent insurance, but even mine doesn't cover anything that is less than 5 yrs old when you are hired in.

[insured and working]

GA Peach wrote:

<quoted text>
No, I don't feel like I want to help others. I want others to help themselves. I'm sick of half this country working their behinds off so the other half can suck off the government and our taxes.
What part of that don't you understand?

So am I. There are a lot of lazy people just waiting for the next free offer from the government. I have always worked and kept health insurance, never expected anything free in my life and I too am sick of helping people that refuse to help themselves. What if we all decided to live off the government.

[Higgans]

thinker wrote:

You see, we're already paying for those who can't pay their medical bills. We pay for them everyday with higher medical costs and insurance premiums. We've been doing this for years and without some kind of reform, we're gonna run ourselves in the ground with rising healthcare costs and none of you will be able to afford insurance!!
Don't you know that for every shoplifter there is, the stores then raise their prices to recoup the loss, WE ALL end of paying for it in the end. Obamas plan would eliminate us getting screwed constanly and paying for those who's bills were written off. Now, we'd all be on a pretty much equal playing field.
Whether its his plan or another, we've got to do something about healthcare. My son works for the state of ga. Everytime he gets a raise, and I mean everytime, his health insurance premiums go up, so there goes his raise. He's gotten several raises but is bringing home the same amount he's brought home for years!!! That just doesn't seem fair!!!!!!! You see, he's already paying for others bills, he's just not being told he is. At least with this plan, we'd know what we are paying for!!!!!!!

what is the TRUE cost of a gallon of milk? I don't know either. why? cause the gov't has been involved with dairy production for decades. for all we know, milk shud be $50 a gallon...or 50 cents.
THAT'S what has really happened to health care costs. since 1965 (Medicare), the gov't has been screwing with the REAL cost of healthcare. there were always charity cases...write-offs for the poor, etc...PRIOR to 1965, and, yes, a lot of those costs were either passed along to the payees OR caregivers refused 'welfare' patients and sent them to public hospitals/clinics (usually ran or subsidized by local gov'ts or churches/charities).
nowadays, thanks to Medicare and Medicaid and other publicly funded 'free' healthcare UNDERpaying for services (by 25-55%?) and confusing/interferring private insurance regs (almost always sold to the people as for 'our' benefit but really done at the behest of special interests), THOSE costs are/have been factored into today's healthcare expense.
so, how much does a gall bladder op REALLY cost? a x-ray? a doctor's visit?
yes, let's add MORE gov't to the mix, that will really bring down the cost of a $10 aspirin to...what, a $500 toilet seat?
less is better

[Wahoo]

Conservative Peach wrote:

I have health insurance. I worked hard for an education and a career that insured health care. Other people had the same opportunity and didn't do it.
I don't want my health care taken away because others are careless.

And if they can't afford insurance, we'll just leave them by the side of the road to die.

[Joe]

thinker wrote:

You see, we're already paying for those who can't pay their medical bills. We pay for them everyday with higher medical costs and insurance premiums. We've been doing this for years and without some kind of reform, we're gonna run ourselves in the ground with rising healthcare costs and none of you will be able to afford insurance!!
Don't you know that for every shoplifter there is, the stores then raise their prices to recoup the loss, WE ALL end of paying for it in the end. Obamas plan would eliminate us getting screwed constanly and paying for those who's bills were written off. Now, we'd all be on a pretty much equal playing field.
Whether its his plan or another, we've got to do something about healthcare. My son works for the state of ga. Everytime he gets a raise, and I mean everytime, his health insurance premiums go up, so there goes his raise. He's gotten several raises but is bringing home the same amount he's brought home for years!!! That just doesn't seem fair!!!!!!! You see, he's already paying for others bills, he's just not being told he is. At least with this plan, we'd know what we are paying for!!!!!!!

What I don't think you understand is that many of our fine "citizens" don't want to pay for anything. They just want it for free. This isn't about health insurance anyway, it's about healh care. Even if everyone has health insurance a large majority of those still won't want to pay anything. I think the government should just set up clinics at hospitals for the poor and let them get their care there. They could reform individual health insurance and make it guaranteed issued and the government could subsidize the premiums if a person had one of say 10 problems, like cancer, heart attacks, diabetes, etc.

But paying health insurance premiums month after month on millions of people, many of whom won't even use the coverage makes no sense to me.

And this whole "insurance exchange" thing which is nothing more than another giant government bureaucracy is absurd. Obama says he doesn't want to pay executives in the private sector, yet how does he think his "insurance exhange" is going to operate? Is that just going to run itself without any management or employees?

Think about large that would have to be in order to deal with everyone from all over the United States calling them. In the meantime, hundreds of thousands in the private sector lose their jobs to be replaced by another government bureaucracy.

Some minor legislation could take care of this, we don't need a total government takeover.

[D.M.]

Government needs to get out of my life.
Tax me less and I'll pay for my own stuff. People that have cell phones and Ipods but no insurance need to enjoy their choice.

[Joe]

And how do you know under the government plan you will "know" what your son's insurance premium will be? You are pretty naive. What happens if the rates actually go up from the way they are now?

Initially the government can charge low rates and get away with it and in the process wipe out the private sector. Once that's done then you'll see the real results of clogged waiting rooms, less specialists, less access to sophisticated testing, higher taxes,long waits for surgery, and they'll just flat out deny treatment to older people. They'll be forced to do that, as the "system" implodes.

Don't be so naive about the government. Just look at how they run the IRS and Post Office. Medicare and Medicaid are both broke and are subsidized by private insurance companies. Once the private sector is wiped out there won't be anyone left to subsidize the government run plans.

Social Security is also broke, in fact there isn't one government run program that isn't a Ponzi scheme.