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Jan 9, 2011
 
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"Liberalism Is Foolish"

Try and understand we've experienced our second credit catastrophe in one hundred years, far greater and more destructive then the last, but far more effectively managed, at least in the short run. This time the wall of debt was twenty-seven years in the making, not only nine as in the 1920's, and its structure is a complex fabric of interwoven credit relationships, a global network of financial interdependencies so intricate that the experts who created them could not determine how to separate the worthy from the worthless, the real from the imagined, the self-destructing from the yet to be distroyed. The entire economic system has been glued together by one profound fantasy. Finance can substitute for production, and credit for savings. Private debt, of households andbusinesses, and public debt, of governments federal, state, and local, foreign and domestic, piled up like snow by a blizzard of lending through mortgages, bonds offerings, and securitizations over decades. It then avalanched upon us, flattening our cities and towns, burying mails, stores, and homes, entombing universities and schools, and smothering dreams. Not only in America but around the world. Keeping banks and currency floating has been a necessary evil. Yes, we will get out of this mess. In fact, we have already begun to, but slowly.

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Jan 10, 2011
 
Once again, I consider the "free" markets to be manipulated by government policy, which affects peoples decisions and promotes greed.

Had the government not instituted policy requiring financial institutions to make loans to people that weren't economically vialble, a housing bubble would not have occurred. One of the hardest things to do, is saving a 20% down payment for a house, it requires dedication and will - power, unlike 110% financed loans, that you simply walk away from, should you default? However; has that particular policy supported our econonomy and growth, since the late 1990's?

I am pretty certain, we could get into a pretty heated, philosophical debate as to the merit snd demerit of government intervention. I suppose in hind - sight, less government would be good in my opinion, regarding policy, however; oversight remains a problem, so do you inject government enforcement into that area?
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Jan 10, 2011
 
ConfusedByRhetoric wrote:
Once again, I consider the "free" markets to be manipulated by government policy, which affects peoples decisions and promotes greed.
Had the government not instituted policy requiring financial institutions to make loans to people that weren't economically vialble, a housing bubble would not have occurred. One of the hardest things to do, is saving a 20% down payment for a house, it requires dedication and will - power, unlike 110% financed loans, that you simply walk away from, should you default? However; has that particular policy supported our econonomy and growth, since the late 1990's?
I am pretty certain, we could get into a pretty heated, philosophical debate as to the merit snd demerit of government intervention. I suppose in hind - sight, less government would be good in my opinion, regarding policy, however; oversight remains a problem, so do you inject government enforcement into that area?
Yet, you don't believe a free market promotes peoples decisions and promotes greed. If you don't, you've never been an entreprenuer. Our free market is unforgiving, work is based on "the strong survive". No mercy and no excuses. Without balance, good regulation, and good social programs, a civil society would be difficult to achieve. However, underachievers pose special challenges. This is an issue of concern. I'm not sure Republicans or Democrats understand the full ramifications. It's time for Republicans to stand up for what they promote, smaller government and lower debt. Where will they cut? Who will they upset? Only time will tell. Yet, I'm investing in trends, even at the expense of kicking them when their down. I don't play parties, I play trends.

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Jan 12, 2011
 
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<quoted text>Yet, you don't believe a free market promotes peoples decisions and promotes greed. If you don't, you've never been an entreprenuer. Our free market is unforgiving, work is based on "the strong survive". No mercy and no excuses. Without balance, good regulation, and good social programs, a civil society would be difficult to achieve. However, underachievers pose special challenges. This is an issue of concern. I'm not sure Republicans or Democrats understand the full ramifications. It's time for Republicans to stand up for what they promote, smaller government and lower debt. Where will they cut? Who will they upset? Only time will tell. Yet, I'm investing in trends, even at the expense of kicking them when their down. I don't play parties, I play trends.
No, greed is good, it instills work ethic and commitment to a cause that benefits the worker / investor. Why else would I partake in a business venture or fincanial endeavor? However; there have been many laws that were designed for exploitation and forced on the free market, real estate being the main sector, to which I am referring. Yes, the strong should survive, based on management skills and sound business investment / decisions, like Ford Motor Company, when you compare the Big Three. Ford took no bailout, Chevy and Chrysler did, how is that fair? Would Ford have been positioned better in a domestic / global market, had the market been allowed to work and GM / Chrysler filed bankruptcy, thus; liquidated or portions sold at fire sale prices?

I believe Ford would have been in a great position, now to the social side of things, what about the jobs lost? If you're Ford, from a pure business position, do you play the trends and pick up the pieces of Cheverolet and Chrysler, thus maximizing you profit?

However; politicians who need votes to maintain power, envisioned it more equitable to salvage Chrysler and Chevy to garner votes and claim the economy would fail. If our economy is that fragile, it will eventually fail anyway. So, needless to say, I didn't buy the doomsday rhetoric, you may disagree?

I am all for oversight regulation as long as it makes sense, however; the social programs need to be pared down. I believe our civil society was flourishing well, prior to Welfare, Section 8, Obama Care and all the other social programs, plaguing our country from an economic standpoint. I am not advocating complete removal, however; the programs must be solvent for one and limit benefits, thus instilling fiscal responsibility and life planning within the recipient(s). That's the problem, people can constantly take from the system, while contributing nothing, to which their behavior is not modified.

I agree this is not a party issue, I don't play parties either. However; I do have more faith in Conservative Values than I do in Liberl Values. While I can appreciate the need to give and take care of the needy, I don't promote legislated stealing. If you want to help people that are less fortunate, give to charities, don't force me to contribute to government programs, that use my money to redistribute wealth in an effort to garner votes.

I suppose it goes back to the Chinese Proverb, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
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Jan 12, 2011
 
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No, greed is good, it instills work ethic and commitment to a cause that benefits the worker / investor. Why else would I partake in a business venture or fincanial endeavor? However; there have been many laws that were designed for exploitation and forced on the free market, real estate being the main sector, to which I am referring. Yes, the strong should survive, based on management skills and sound business investment / decisions, like Ford Motor Company, when you compare the Big Three. Ford took no bailout, Chevy and Chrysler did, how is that fair? Would Ford have been positioned better in a domestic / global market, had the market been allowed to work and GM / Chrysler filed bankruptcy, thus; liquidated or portions sold at fire sale prices?
I believe Ford would have been in a great position, now to the social side of things, what about the jobs lost? If you're Ford, from a pure business position, do you play the trends and pick up the pieces of Cheverolet and Chrysler, thus maximizing you profit?
However; politicians who need votes to maintain power, envisioned it more equitable to salvage Chrysler and Chevy to garner votes and claim the economy would fail. If our economy is that fragile, it will eventually fail anyway. So, needless to say, I didn't buy the doomsday rhetoric, you may disagree?
I am all for oversight regulation as long as it makes sense, however; the social programs need to be pared down. I believe our civil society was flourishing well, prior to Welfare, Section 8, Obama Care and all the other social programs, plaguing our country from an economic standpoint. I am not advocating complete removal, however; the programs must be solvent for one and limit benefits, thus instilling fiscal responsibility and life planning within the recipient(s). That's the problem, people can constantly take from the system, while contributing nothing, to which their behavior is not modified.
I agree this is not a party issue, I don't play parties either. However; I do have more faith in Conservative Values than I do in Liberl Values. While I can appreciate the need to give and take care of the needy, I don't promote legislated stealing. If you want to help people that are less fortunate, give to charities, don't force me to contribute to government programs, that use my money to redistribute wealth in an effort to garner votes.
I suppose it goes back to the Chinese Proverb, "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."
Well said, I agree. However, I'm not sure a GM "loan" should be called a bailout. Yet, if they don't pay, "bailout" would be correct. I'm also not sure Ford would have survived without GM suppliers remaining in business. Other then those two issues, I agree completely.

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Jan 12, 2011
 
TV MAN wrote:
<quoted text>Well said, I agree. However, I'm not sure a GM "loan" should be called a bailout. Yet, if they don't pay, "bailout" would be correct. I'm also not sure Ford would have survived without GM suppliers remaining in business. Other then those two issues, I agree completely.
It's still a government backed loan, semantics, I suppose? I don't agree with the government fincancing industries or sectors, since they won't finance me or you. Essentially, I hit hard time, I am broke, whether I ran my business correct or not?

The interesting fact of the matter, would be; history has a chance to repeat, what was it 1984, when Lee Iacocca borrowed money from the Fed to re - structure Chrysler?
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It's still a government backed loan, semantics, I suppose? I don't agree with the government fincancing industries or sectors, since they won't finance me or you. Essentially, I hit hard time, I am broke, whether I ran my business correct or not?
The interesting fact of the matter, would be; history has a chance to repeat, what was it 1984, when Lee Iacocca borrowed money from the Fed to re - structure Chrysler?
That's true, yet circumstances were different. I'm not arguing philosophy. I addressed the differences in a past post. Capitalism isn't about fair, it's about leverage. Entreprenuers create their own leverage, most politicians can't do that. Even though I agree with your philosophy, I believe in exceptions.
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Jul 24, 2012
 
The Department of Defense announced today the deaths of two soldiers who were supporting Operation Enduring Freedom.

They died July 22 in Kandahar, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered from an enemy improvised explosive device. They were assigned to the 508th Special Troops Battalion, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division, Fort Bragg, N.C.

Killed were:

Pfc. Julian L. Colvin, 21, of Birmingham, Ala.,

Staff Sgt. Richard L. Berry, 27, of Scottsdale, Ariz.
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Jul 25, 2012
 
Pfc Julian L Colvin wrote:
The Department of Defense announced today the deaths of two soldiers who were supporting Operation Enduring Freedom.
They died July 22 in Kandahar, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered from an enemy improvised explosive device. They were assigned to the 508th Special Troops Battalion, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division, Fort Bragg, N.C.
Killed were:
Pfc. Julian L. Colvin, 21, of Birmingham, Ala.,
Staff Sgt. Richard L. Berry, 27, of Scottsdale, Ariz.
Like TVMAN, they were both chumps.
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Jul 25, 2012
 
The Department of Defense announced today the deaths of two soldiers who were supporting Operation Enduring Freedom.

They died July 22 in Kandahar, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered from an enemy improvised explosive device. They were assigned to the 508th Special Troops Battalion, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division, Fort Bragg, N.C.

Killed were:

Pfc. Julian L. Colvin, 21, of Birmingham, Ala.,

Staff Sgt. Richard L. Berry, 27, of Scottsdale, Ariz.

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Aug 19, 2012
 
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#78
Nov 14, 2012
 
yes, i support it
Jev Marshall

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#79
Nov 14, 2012
 
Hell no! No universal health insurance! We love having the most expensive, most inefficient, most wasteful, and least effective healthcare system in the industrialized world! Mediocrity is the American way, After all, Alabamians WANT to die due to a lack of care for people with pre-existing conditions and those denied coverage by corporate bureaucrats. Liberty to die, or Death!
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Jul 6, 2013
 
The Department of Defense announced today the death of a soldier who was supporting Operation Enduring Freedom.

Pvt. Errol D.A. Milliard, 18, of Birmingham, Ala., died July 4 in Farah province, Afghanistan, of injuries sustained when enemy forces attacked his unit with a rocket propelled grenade while on dismounted patrol. He was assigned to the 2nd Engineer Battalion, 36th Engineer Brigade, White Sands Missile Range, N.M.

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Jul 24, 2013
 
I sho is cants waits to get my free health care. Thank you Jesus!
Pvt Errol D A Milliard

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Jul 31, 2013
 
The Department of Defense announced today the death of a soldier who was supporting Operation Enduring Freedom.

Pvt. Errol D.A. Milliard, 18, of Birmingham, Ala., died July 4 in Farah province, Afghanistan, of injuries sustained when enemy forces attacked his unit with a rocket propelled grenade while on dismounted patrol. He was assigned to the 2nd Engineer Battalion, 36th Engineer Brigade, White Sands Missile Range, N.M.
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#85
Jul 31, 2013
 
Baby boomers are reaching the retirement age of 65 at the rate of 10,000/day each day up until the year 2030. We should make whatever adjustments necessary to accomodate them. As Generation Y (76 million kids born between 1978 and 1998) offers their innovative ideas and unique abilities we can refocus our attention off of the debt situation and get to work solving it. Many simply lack the opportunity. This can be a problem that is being faced not just on an individual level. There are families that lack the element of success throughout many generations due to lack of opportunity and poverty. This in turn causes deeply rooted and untreated depression which leads to severe systematic health problems. Working in the healthcare field, has allowed me to gain a first hand look at the major problems that exist that can be fixed. The Baby Boomer generation should be given back their dignity and should receive quality care from workers who have a strong work ethic and family morals. As of now, they may feel like we as a society have failed them. There is hope though. If we acknowledge the very important needs of a right-now generation tomorrow will fund itself. God's promises are true and if he sees fit he will provide. But all the bickering and finger pointing is not working we should be model citizens of these UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and lead the way for the world to possibly conform to similar values. I believe and I pray about this situation minute by minute, day by day, hour by hour and I support Obama and his plan and his ability to govern this country I would help him anyday
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Jul 31, 2013
 
The Department of Defense announced today the death of a soldier who was supporting Operation Enduring Freedom.

Pvt. Errol D.A. Milliard, 18, of Birmingham, Ala., died July 4 in Farah province, Afghanistan, of injuries sustained when enemy forces attacked his unit with a rocket propelled grenade while on dismounted patrol. He was assigned to the 2nd Engineer Battalion, 36th Engineer Brigade, White Sands Missile Range, N.M.

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