Gun Laws Debate - Chambersburg, PA

Discuss the national Gun Laws debate in Chambersburg, PA.

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Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#1754 Feb 11, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
There simply is no evidence that video games lead to murderous gun rampages.
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If they did, the people all over the world would be throwing birds at pigs.

That isn't happening.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#1755 Feb 12, 2013
Nothing like inviting Ted Nugent to the State of the Union to show that the Congressional GOP is made up of civilized, serous adults who care about solving the nations problems.

Ted Nugent, who invites people to suck on his machine gun.

Ted Nugent who called the President of the United States "a piece of shit" and public.

Ted Nugent who was investigated by the Secret Service for making veiled threats against his life.

Ted Nugent who called Hillary Clinton a "worthless bitch" in public.

Until the GOP grows the hell up and stops pulling juvenile stunts like this, they are destined to be a permanent minority party in this country.
Nerd Rage

Chambersburg, PA

#1756 Feb 12, 2013
Hhahahahahhahaa...I can only imagine the things I could find that was said about GWB, Laura Bush, Dick Cheney but I really don't need to.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#1757 Feb 12, 2013
Nerd Rage wrote:
Hhahahahahhahaa...I can only imagine the things I could find that was said about GWB, Laura Bush, Dick Cheney but I really don't need to.
By people who were invited to the State of the Union address?

I didn't think so.
Nerd Rage

Fayetteville, PA

#1758 Feb 12, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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By people who were invited to the State of the Union address?
I didn't think so.
Why would it matter? Many people have insulted Bush and have attended the state of the union speech. It is only different for you because the insults on Bush you like and the insults on Obama you don't. It's called freedom of speech, you don't have to like it for it to be spoken or expressed. Also he was invited as a spokesman and a lot of people would probably like to hear him. It may not be as proper as you like but still the man has as much of a right to speak there if he was invite. What's the big deal?
Nerd Rage

Fayetteville, PA

#1759 Feb 12, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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By people who were invited to the State of the Union address?
I didn't think so.
Also it was probably meant to offend Obama, after all he hasn't been very hospitable to republicans either...So when you want repay the favor then you do it in the same fashion. He can talk to Iran, Syria, Egypt, Hamid Karzi, and reach his hand out to North Korea but he can't seem to find time to sit down and negotiate with Republicans at the table then that says something about his lack of leadership.

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#1760 Feb 12, 2013
Nerd Rage wrote:
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Why would it matter? Many people have insulted Bush and have attended the state of the union speech. It is only different for you because the insults on Bush you like and the insults on Obama you don't. It's called freedom of speech, you don't have to like it for it to be spoken or expressed. Also he was invited as a spokesman and a lot of people would probably like to hear him. It may not be as proper as you like but still the man has as much of a right to speak there if he was invite. What's the big deal?
Give us an example.

Find me one person who has made threats against President Bush's life or called Laura Bush a bitch (bonus points if you can do both)_AND_ attended the State of the Union.

Hell, I'll go a step further and say attended any MAJOR invitation only Presidential event.

The big deal in this case is three-fold:

#1) Ted Nugent is not a "serious person". This is a serious event attended by serious people. This would be like a senator bringing Alice Cooper or Tony Danza.

#2) Ted Nugent made threats against the President, the first lady and the Secretary of State. Threats which, while he is free to make, should preclude him from attendance at a high security event - ESPECIALLY as a personal guest.

#3) Ten Nugent is NOT a spokesman, he's a performer who likes guns. He's not the head of the NRA. He's not a Governor. He's just a draft dodger who likes guns and threatened the president. That does not rise to the level of invitee.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#1761 Feb 12, 2013
Nerd Rage wrote:
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Why would it matter? Many people have insulted Bush and have attended the state of the union speech. It is only different for you because the insults on Bush you like and the insults on Obama you don't. It's called freedom of speech, you don't have to like it for it to be spoken or expressed. Also he was invited as a spokesman and a lot of people would probably like to hear him. It may not be as proper as you like but still the man has as much of a right to speak there if he was invite. What's the big deal?
The Raging Nerd's Further Adventures in Missing the Point.

My POINT was - Ted Nugent is an outrageously over-the-top vulgar, name-calling, flame-throwing demagogue who cheapens and demeans the national debate. Inviting him to the State of the Union address reveals an embarrassing lack of seriousness within the Republican Congressional caucus. And until they get serious about doing their damn jobs, the GOP is destined to be a permanent minority party.

I was criticizing Congressional Republicans, not Ted Nugent.

But you don't get that, do you? It's not about rights. It's about whether or not the GOP wants to be considered grown-up, serious adults or whether they just want to play stupid games.

Clearly they're making their choice.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#1762 Feb 12, 2013
Nerd Rage wrote:
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Also it was probably meant to offend Obama, after all he hasn't been very hospitable to republicans either...So when you want repay the favor then you do it in the same fashion. He can talk to Iran, Syria, Egypt, Hamid Karzi, and reach his hand out to North Korea but he can't seem to find time to sit down and negotiate with Republicans at the table then that says something about his lack of leadership.
Right. Childish game-playing.

Let me know when your party is ready to be adults.

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#1763 Feb 12, 2013
Nerd Rage wrote:
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Also it was probably meant to offend Obama, after all he hasn't been very hospitable to republicans either...So when you want repay the favor then you do it in the same fashion. He can talk to Iran, Syria, Egypt, Hamid Karzi, and reach his hand out to North Korea but he can't seem to find time to sit down and negotiate with Republicans at the table then that says something about his lack of leadership.
Nerd, you keep spinning this lie but that won't make it true.

Obama has met with and caved to Republican demands for 4 years.

The Republicans not only don't meet him halfway. They don't meet him when he comes to their front door.

I'll point it out again and again until it sinks in.

During the 1st Debt Ceiling negotiations, Obama gave the Republicans EVERYTHING THEY ASKED FOR and they STILL rejected it.

That's like me saying: "Hey, you want to buy a candy bar? One dollar."

Then you say, "What about 50 cents."

Me: "Nope. One dollar.

You: "Okay, fine. You win. One dollar."

Me: "Nope. Two dollars."

Who's at fault there?

Look at the fiscal cliff negotiations:
The Republican proposal to replace the fiscal cliff cuts was to keep ALL the cuts to domestic programs and remove all the cuts that the Republicans didn't want.

You can't negotiate with people who both REFUSE to negotiate.
cletus

Chambersburg, PA

#1764 Feb 12, 2013
Nerd Rage wrote:
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Also it was probably meant to offend Obama, after all he hasn't been very hospitable to republicans either...So when you want repay the favor then you do it in the same fashion. He can talk to Iran, Syria, Egypt, Hamid Karzi, and reach his hand out to North Korea but he can't seem to find time to sit down and negotiate with Republicans at the table then that says something about his lack of leadership.
House, and Speaker John Boehner is already earning a reputation for telling President Barack Obama,“No.”

The Ohio Republican last week turned down a White House invitation to attend a state dinner for Chinese President Hu Jintao. A week earlier, Boehner declined an offer from Obama to fly with him on Air Force One to attend the Tucson, Ariz., memorial ceremony. And unlike last year’s House GOP retreat, the president was not asked by Republican leaders to make an appearance at this year’s getaway.

Boehner’s recent penchant for rebuffing Obama began just days after the November elections, when he and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) canceled their first post-election bipartisan meeting with the president because of “scheduling conflicts in organizing their caucuses.” The meeting was later rescheduled.

Senior House Democratic aides speculated that Boehner is intentionally backing out of meetings with Obama to send a signal that he is going to use his role as Speaker to play hardball with the president. Boehner hasn’t been shy about how he intends to deal with the White House over the next two years: In a Dec. 12 interview on CBS’“60 Minutes,” Boehner said he is open to finding “common ground” with the president but will not “compromise” with him.

“I reject the word,” he said.

http://www.rollcall.com/issues/56_70/-202675-...
cletus

Chambersburg, PA

#1765 Feb 12, 2013
Nerd Rage wrote:
<quoted text>
Also it was probably meant to offend Obama, after all he hasn't been very hospitable to republicans either...So when you want repay the favor then you do it in the same fashion. He can talk to Iran, Syria, Egypt, Hamid Karzi, and reach his hand out to North Korea but he can't seem to find time to sit down and negotiate with Republicans at the table then that says something about his lack of leadership.
With two weeks of the presidency now under his belt, both of these cases offer a window into how Mr. Obama may try to build relationships — and dispatch controversies — during his time in office.

Since the inauguration, one of the hottest tickets in town has been an invitation to the White House. And Republicans have been scoring them nearly as often as Democrats.

The president has held a cocktail reception for a bipartisan group of legislators, conducted sit-down meetings with House and Senate leaders of both parties and staged an indoor tailgate party Sunday to watch the Pittsburgh Steelers defeat the Arizona Cardinals.

The social calendar continues on Wednesday evening, when the president and First Lady Michelle Obama open the Blue, Green and Red Rooms of the White House to more leading members of Congress.

The guests gain a bit of prestige from being invited to the White House. Does the president stand to gain anything in return by opening the door to Republicans who have already signaled their disapproval of his economic recovery plan and other items on his agenda?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/us/politics... ;

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#1766 Feb 12, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Nerd, you keep spinning this lie but that won't make it true.
Obama has met with and caved to Republican demands for 4 years.
The Republicans not only don't meet him halfway. They don't meet him when he comes to their front door.
I'll point it out again and again until it sinks in.
During the 1st Debt Ceiling negotiations, Obama gave the Republicans EVERYTHING THEY ASKED FOR and they STILL rejected it.
That's like me saying: "Hey, you want to buy a candy bar? One dollar."
Then you say, "What about 50 cents."
Me: "Nope. One dollar.
You: "Okay, fine. You win. One dollar."
Me: "Nope. Two dollars."
Who's at fault there?
Look at the fiscal cliff negotiations:
The Republican proposal to replace the fiscal cliff cuts was to keep ALL the cuts to domestic programs and remove all the cuts that the Republicans didn't want.
You can't negotiate with people who both REFUSE to negotiate.
The GOP simply won't take "yes" for an answer.

Have you seen this?

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Today's poll from the Washington Post and Capital Insight shows something interesting: When Obama lends his name to proposals on immigration, climate change or the war in Afghanistan, support drops.

Without Obama's name, 78 percent of Democrats, 60 percent of Republicans, and 70 percent of independents support a path to citizenship as part of comprehensive immigration.

But when you associate that proposal with the president, support drops to 75 percent of Democrats, 61 percent of independents, and just 39 percent of Republicans -- a 21 point decline.

Likewise, without Obama's name, 65 percent of Democrats, 32 percent of Republicans, and 51 percent of independents support measures to address climate change. With his name attached, Democratic and independent support increases -- to 71 percent and 55 percent, respectively -- but Republican support dips even further, to 24 percent.

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Nothing is else is driving these shifts in opinion. The only difference in the polling questions is the statement that Obama supports the ideas.

Here's the reason our government is so dysfunctional: if Obama expresses support for a Republican idea, Republicans will reject it.

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#1768 Feb 13, 2013

Since: May 11

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#1769 Feb 13, 2013
Could it be? Common sense here in Pennsylvania? Yes!

58 percent say banning military-style assault weapons would help prevent mass shootings, while 55 percent say that banning large capacity ammunition magazines would help.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/20...
Nerd Rage

Chambersburg, PA

#1770 Feb 13, 2013
Wow! Does it look like I drive a Prius? All of you girls have "Nerd Rage" on the brain! I make a post and you ladies just can't get off of me. Look I really don't care what you say nor does anyone else. Your comments aren't a debate it's just a bunch of "Don't 1up me". At one time I think you could possibly get honest responces but now I really don't care, I go elsewheres to get a real debate instead of just leftist trolls who have no social life and spend all their time hitting on other men on Topix.
Chloe

Biglerville, PA

#1771 Feb 13, 2013
Nerd Rage wrote:
Wow! Does it look like I drive a Prius? All of you girls have "Nerd Rage" on the brain! I make a post and you ladies just can't get off of me. Look I really don't care what you say nor does anyone else. Your comments aren't a debate it's just a bunch of "Don't 1up me". At one time I think you could possibly get honest responces but now I really don't care, I go elsewheres to get a real debate instead of just leftist trolls who have no social life and spend all their time hitting on other men on Topix.
Did Nerd Rage forget his Prozac? Turn your computer off, wipe your tears, and make an appointment to see your therapist.
Francesca Amadeus

Chambersburg, PA

#1772 Feb 13, 2013
realDave is back except he now goes by Chloe. Nice name Danny.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#1773 Feb 15, 2013

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#1774 Feb 15, 2013
Dorner case shows folly of arming oneself to combat government

The nutty notion that a citizen can be heavily enough armed to fight off the government went up in smoke near Big Bear Lake.
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As of this writing, it's not clear what suspected killer Christopher Dorner had in his arsenal. But it was enough to hold off law enforcement in Tuesday's shootout until someone upped the firepower, literally, by lobbying incendiary tear gas into the cabin where the axed cop apparently was making a last stand against the government.

The government virtually always wins.

Dorner could have read up on Randy Weaver at Ruby Ridge. Or the Branch Davidians near Waco.
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Guns to overthrow tyranny, irrational. That's why our founders gave us the ballot box.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cap-g...

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