Gun Laws Debate - Chambersburg, PA

Discuss the national Gun Laws debate in Chambersburg, PA.

Does the US need to reform its gun laws?

Chambersburg thinks we need reform.
Yes
 
62
Not at all
 
45
Undecided
 
0

Vote now in Chambersburg:

Dan the Man

Shippensburg, PA

#425 Dec 13, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
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Ummm yep. It's not a perfect system but we should look at solving solutions in places that have had similar problems and see if their answers would help in different situations. I would do that for almost every issue that we have that we can't seem to come up with our own answers. That is typically what is done in business and this would be no different. I would just be careful not to infringe on peoples civil liberties or rights when it comes to local, state or federal involvement.
LOL! Yes, we can probably all agree that doing what works is the best path forward on any issue.

The question is - do you have any specific thoughts on specific policy changes that would address the specific issue of gun violence?
Nerd Rage

Chambersburg, PA

#426 Dec 13, 2012
Dan the Man wrote:
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LOL! Yes, we can probably all agree that doing what works is the best path forward on any issue.
The question is - do you have any specific thoughts on specific policy changes that would address the specific issue of gun violence?
No I don't or wouldn't have any change in policy, simply because you have to look at what kind of crime it is. If it is a drug related crime then you have to look at how do we reduce the drugs in our neighborhoods or if it were a burglary then I would want to increase the police presence in that community but for guns I don't and wouldn't want to hinder gun ownership to accommodate criminals. The guns aren't the problem it's the people that misuse them for illegal activity are the problem. I would possibly start with stiffer penalties for criminals that commit a crime with a gun and more penalties if the gun were stolen. I would also try to encourage more legal gun ownership. I think that itís a deterrent if citizens were armed and criminals knew it.
Dan the Man

Shippensburg, PA

#427 Dec 13, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
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No I don't or wouldn't have any change in policy, simply because you have to look at what kind of crime it is. If it is a drug related crime then you have to look at how do we reduce the drugs in our neighborhoods or if it were a burglary then I would want to increase the police presence in that community but for guns I don't and wouldn't want to hinder gun ownership to accommodate criminals. The guns aren't the problem it's the people that misuse them for illegal activity are the problem. I would possibly start with stiffer penalties for criminals that commit a crime with a gun and more penalties if the gun were stolen. I would also try to encourage more legal gun ownership. I think that itís a deterrent if citizens were armed and criminals knew it.
So you hold the standard conservative position. Thanks for clarifying.
Nerd Rage

Chambersburg, PA

#428 Dec 13, 2012
Dan the Man wrote:
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So you hold the standard conservative position. Thanks for clarifying.
LOL... What is the standard conservative position?
Nerd Rage

Chambersburg, PA

#429 Dec 13, 2012
Dan the Man wrote:
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So you hold the standard conservative position. Thanks for clarifying.
Also every position someone takes on a topic doesn't necessarily denote a right or left party. I think the solution to a problem and what actually works should always be the direction that everyone should look at and NOT what party has a better solution. Especially when none of us are politicans and could care less on appealing to either party.
Dan the Man

Shippensburg, PA

#430 Dec 13, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
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LOL... What is the standard conservative position?
Enforce existing laws; guns don't kill people, people kill people; there'd be less gun violence if everybody carried a gun; gun laws won't stop gun violence; if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns ... you know - what you said.
Dan the Man

Shippensburg, PA

#431 Dec 13, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
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Also every position someone takes on a topic doesn't necessarily denote a right or left party. I think the solution to a problem and what actually works should always be the direction that everyone should look at and NOT what party has a better solution. Especially when none of us are politicans and could care less on appealing to either party.
True - every position someone takes doesn't denote a right or left party.

But your position on guns (and nearly everything else you've ever posted here) denotes a right party.

If you don't want to be thought of that way, you should stop taking exclusively rightwing positions.
Nerd Rage

Fayetteville, PA

#434 Dec 13, 2012
Dan the Man wrote:
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True - every position someone takes doesn't denote a right or left party.
But your position on guns (and nearly everything else you've ever posted here) denotes a right party.
If you don't want to be thought of that way, you should stop taking exclusively rightwing positions.
Well I take positions on what I believe is the right course of action. But I DO NOT want to see more hinderance on lawful gun ownership. I've yet to see where placing restrictions on lawful ownership has increase crime but we do see where gun ownership is restricted especially in consealed weapons permits (CWP), an example most recently of that would be Chicago. Also there are thousands of people that own many guns in Franklin county yet there doesn't seem to be massive shootings or gun related crimes. In this area there isn't a problem so why would anyone want to remove guns from lawful owners?
jazz

Chambersburg, PA

#436 Dec 14, 2012
oh yes
Dan the Man

Newville, PA

#437 Dec 14, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
In this area there isn't a problem so why would anyone want to remove guns from lawful owners?
Nobody does.
Nerd Rage

Chambersburg, PA

#438 Dec 14, 2012
Dan the Man wrote:
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Nobody does.
Not true...I just read a story today about a man in Japan (no guns allowed) who attacked and cut around 20 children. Do we need to remove all sharp objects as well?
If someone hangs themselve in suicide, do we need to restrict ropes also? Guns aren't the problem. Someone who is hell bent on attacking another person will do so with whatever instrument they find. Cars kill way more people then guns, should we take away cars and give people horses and bikes? You should look at the facts of this issue on some reputable cites.(IMO)
cletus

Chambersburg, PA

#439 Dec 14, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
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Not true...I just read a story today about a man in Japan (no guns allowed) who attacked and cut around 20 children. Do we need to remove all sharp objects as well?
If someone hangs themselve in suicide, do we need to restrict ropes also? Guns aren't the problem. Someone who is hell bent on attacking another person will do so with whatever instrument they find. Cars kill way more people then guns, should we take away cars and give people horses and bikes? You should look at the facts of this issue on some reputable cites.(IMO)
on average a mass shooting occurs every 5 days in America, how often do mass slashings occur in Japan? How many of those "cut" children died?
Dan the Man

Newville, PA

#440 Dec 14, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
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Not true...I just read a story today about a man in Japan (no guns allowed) who attacked and cut around 20 children. Do we need to remove all sharp objects as well?
If someone hangs themselve in suicide, do we need to restrict ropes also? Guns aren't the problem. Someone who is hell bent on attacking another person will do so with whatever instrument they find. Cars kill way more people then guns, should we take away cars and give people horses and bikes? You should look at the facts of this issue on some reputable cites.(IMO)
You said, "In this area there isn't a problem so why would anyone want to remove guns from lawful owners?" Right?

And I said nobody's doing that.

Nobody is calling for taking guns from lawful gun owners in the United States, no matter what's happening in Japan.

In my opinion, you should look at the facts before making claims like that.
Nerd Rage

Fayetteville, PA

#441 Dec 14, 2012
cletus wrote:
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on average a mass shooting occurs every 5 days in America, how often do mass slashings occur in Japan? How many of those "cut" children died?
Actually it was in China, and you're missing my point. Which is why attack the instrument?
Nerd Rage

Fayetteville, PA

#442 Dec 14, 2012
Dan the Man wrote:
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You said, "In this area there isn't a problem so why would anyone want to remove guns from lawful owners?" Right?
And I said nobody's doing that.
Nobody is calling for taking guns from lawful gun owners in the United States, no matter what's happening in Japan.
In my opinion, you should look at the facts before making claims like that.
Well when you get right to it, the intent is to remove guns from Americans and most Americans see it that way. Everyone knows that you CANNOT just pass a law to take guns from Americans BUT you can make it more difficult for them to obtain them and that has been going on for some time. No one in a political office will say "Take the guns" because it's political suicide to say that they will just invent new ways to limit Americans on ammunition and ownership. That is the facts of the issue. At one time liberals distrusted the Govt. in the 6-70's and now they have full trust of the govt. to "Do the right thing".
Nerd Rage

Fayetteville, PA

#443 Dec 14, 2012
cletus wrote:
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on average a mass shooting occurs every 5 days in America, how often do mass slashings occur in Japan? How many of those "cut" children died?
Also please cite this source for all of us to read. I have NEVER heard of such a thing.
Dan the Man

Shippensburg, PA

#444 Dec 14, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
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Actually it was in China, and you're missing my point. Which is why attack the instrument?
Actually, you changed the subject. You made a false statement, I corrected you, then you began talking about knives in Japan.

The reason to address the weapon is its lethality. Nobody can enter a movie theater and stab 70 people, killing 12 of them. Nobody can show up at a political event with a rope and hang 19 people.

Guns are made for killing, ain't no good for nothing else (to paraphrase Mr. Van Zant). Cars are not made for killing. Horses are not made for killing. Bicycles are not made for killing. Lumping them in with guns shows a lack of seriousness on the issue. Besides, there are many regulations governing their safe use, as there should be for guns as well.
Dan the Man

Shippensburg, PA

#445 Dec 14, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
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Well when you get right to it, the intent is to remove guns from Americans and most Americans see it that way.
This is a false statement. There is absolutely no evidence that anyone is trying to take our guns. And I've never seen any evidence that most Americans see it that way.

You should look at the facts of this issue.(IMO)

Since: Sep 12

Seattle, WA

#446 Dec 14, 2012
Dan the Man wrote:
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This is a false statement. There is absolutely no evidence that anyone is trying to take our guns. And I've never seen any evidence that most Americans see it that way.
You should look at the facts of this issue.(IMO)


No evidence at all? LMAO.

Try taking your head out of your ass then you'll be able to see. I swear you're at the top of The Stupid List.
Dan the Man

Shippensburg, PA

#447 Dec 14, 2012
Dave Rogers wrote:
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No evidence at all? LMAO.
Try taking your head out of your ass then you'll be able to see. I swear you're at the top of The Stupid List.
I meant no actual, factual, real-world evidence. You know, the kind that actually exists and isn't a product of the paranoid rightwing echo-chamber.

There has been no move by anybody in years to do anything AT ALL to restrict the rights of gun owners, much less take guns away. Hell, President Obama has actually EXPANDED gun rights.

Try talking out of your face instead of your ass for a change. Of course since your head is so far UP your ass, I guess you really have no choice, do you? LMAO!

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