Gun Laws Debate - Albuquerque, NM

Discuss the national Gun Laws debate in Albuquerque, NM.

Does the US need to reform its gun laws?

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mariettita

Albuquerque, NM

#1 Jul 24, 2012
gosh! I thought you would have a map of the city showing where guns are prevalent. We need reform.

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Since: Jan 10

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#2 Jul 24, 2012
Guns don't kill people, people do.
Cars don't kill people, people do.
Knives don't kill people, people do.

With all the whacko's out there nowadays, there is all the more reason for one to be armed.

Since: Aug 08

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#3 Jul 24, 2012
I only question the need for certain assault weapons by non-military. Rifles are fine but as far as machine guns and oozie (sp?) type go, I don't see any reason a private citizen needs one. Regardless, the loons will always figure out a way to impliment their twisted plans so altering our current gun laws won't change that.

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#4 Jul 24, 2012
Just left of right wrote:
I only question the need for certain assault weapons by non-military. Rifles are fine but as far as machine guns and oozie (sp?) type go, I don't see any reason a private citizen needs one. Regardless, the loons will always figure out a way to impliment their twisted plans so altering our current gun laws won't change that.
With regard to the Aurora tragedy, anti-gun zealots need to remember that the guy totally booby trapped his apartment with all manner of non-gun devices and such. Point being, outlawing guns will have almost no affect upon killings. Besides, the ones who'll get hosed are legitimate gun owners who will be restricted on methods of self and family protection. Those prone to illegal activities will still get guns for whatever their heinous reasons are.

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Since: Nov 08

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#5 Jul 24, 2012
Just left of right wrote:
I only question the need for certain assault weapons by non-military. Rifles are fine but as far as machine guns and oozie (sp?) type go, I don't see any reason a private citizen needs one. Regardless, the loons will always figure out a way to impliment their twisted plans so altering our current gun laws won't change that.
The AK 47 is not an assault weapon and though it can be devastating at close range, it is not a heavy weapon. Make anything an assault weapon and it will be banned. It is the naming. They are involved in less than 1% of any criminal activity. Let the tail wag the dog.

Since: Aug 08

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#6 Jul 24, 2012
Willothewisp wrote:
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The AK 47 is not an assault weapon and though it can be devastating at close range, it is not a heavy weapon. Make anything an assault weapon and it will be banned. It is the naming. They are involved in less than 1% of any criminal activity. Let the tail wag the dog.
I know, but I didn't know how to state the weapons I was referring to. That's why I said I was fine with rifles, as I know, some rifles are referred to as assualt weapons. Is there a term for the type of weapon like macine guns and oozies (sp?)? I am referring to weapons that have automatic rapid fire and hold a bagillion rounds.

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#7 Jul 24, 2012
Willothewisp wrote:
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The AK 47 is not an assault weapon and though it can be devastating at close range, it is not a heavy weapon. Make anything an assault weapon and it will be banned. It is the naming. They are involved in less than 1% of any criminal activity. Let the tail wag the dog.
On second thought, perhaps I don't know about the AK47. Does it fire, repeatedly, automatically, a bazillion rounds? Personally, I think weapons should only be able to fire one round by every squeeze of the trigger.

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#8 Jul 25, 2012
Just left of right wrote:
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On second thought, perhaps I don't know about the AK47. Does it fire, repeatedly, automatically, a bazillion rounds? Personally, I think weapons should only be able to fire one round by every squeeze of the trigger.
Military AK's have a selector switch. Fully Automatic fire (your bazillion rounds fired) and Semi-Automatic (your pull the trigger each time). Most everything sold in the US is Semi-Automatic. You need a special license etc. for fully Automatic. Collectors etc..So the rifle in question was Semi-Automatic.
dpb

Westcliffe, CO

#9 Jul 25, 2012
It isn't the weapon it is the person behind the weapon. I've owned Uzis, Aks and ARs for years, yet I've never had the urge to shoot anyone. I love to shoot semi-auto rifles and enjoyed the few machine gun shoots I've been to -- Yes., I also have a 100 round Drum Magazine -- fun to shoot and looks oh so cool -- not for everyone but fun for those of us who like to shoot rapidly without reloading too often. Large capacity mags. and so-called assault weapons don't cause one to kill people -- mental conditions do. Fully automatic weapons are available with a Tax Stamp and a serious background check -- not too many own these, but there are several in this area who do, and they are responsible gun owners and collectors. Don't blame the gun, blame the mentally deficient shooter.
joe nobody

Albuquerque, NM

#10 Jul 25, 2012
enforce the existing laws - police up the unlawful activities at the local gun shows

Since: Aug 11

Albuquerque, NM

#11 Jul 25, 2012
Yes, gun laws need to be reformed. Sorry, but I consider the NRA to be a domestic terrorist organization. 100 round clips? Neither necessay for hunting of home defense. Well Regulated, first words of the 2nd Amendment. Well, it's time for those regulations to be en acted.
Junior

United States

#12 Jul 25, 2012
I gots me a AR-15 too, and a hundred round clip. Ya know, in case, that dam deer start shooting back, I'll be prepared. Yuk yuk.

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#13 Jul 25, 2012
TheatreTech01 wrote:
Yes, gun laws need to be reformed. Sorry, but I consider the NRA to be a domestic terrorist organization. 100 round clips? Neither necessay for hunting of home defense. Well Regulated, first words of the 2nd Amendment. Well, it's time for those regulations to be en acted.
The use of the term "well-regulated" in the 18th century and before meant in good working order...calibrated...functioni ng as expected. Not to be regulated by the government. Nice try.

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#14 Jul 25, 2012
Junior wrote:
I gots me a AR-15 too, and a hundred round clip. Ya know, in case, that dam deer start shooting back, I'll be prepared. Yuk yuk.
dpb said nothing of deer hunting w/ an AK, you did. He obviously was speaking of target shooting, for sport, for fun. That's one of the freedoms we as US citizens have. Sure, a 100 round clip may be excessive to some, but a 100 round clip is not the issue here, it's what you DO with that 100 round clip that matters. I'm not turned on by them but if others are, more power to them. May I also remind you they are just as deadly in semi-auto mode as they are in full-auto mode.

Me, I'm rather partial to my 30.06 bolt action w/ 3x9 variable scope. Although a 50cal handgun would be a kick - literally...
http://www.popularmechanics.com/outdoors/recr...
Junior

United States

#15 Jul 25, 2012
Okay. Correction, in case the targets start shooting back, nyuk nyuk.

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Since: Jan 10

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#16 Jul 25, 2012
joe nobody wrote:
enforce the existing laws - police up the unlawful activities at the local gun shows
Surely you don't believe criminals are stocking up at gun shows? Criminals are most likely buying their items from the black market and from thieves who stole them to sell to others to support their drug habits. The last thing they want is to be discovered by a dealer or private collector @ a gun show.

Since: Aug 11

Albuquerque, NM

#17 Jul 25, 2012
Willothewisp wrote:
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The use of the term "well-regulated" in the 18th century and before meant in good working order...calibrated...functioni ng as expected. Not to be regulated by the government. Nice try.
Wrong. It means ordered. It means over sight. It doesn't mean shoot the crap out anything you want because the NRA has your back. Guns do kill people, if they didn't than they would give them to cops and soldiers. You lose.

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#18 Jul 25, 2012
TheatreTech01 wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong. It means ordered. It means over sight. It doesn't mean shoot the crap out anything you want because the NRA has your back. Guns do kill people, if they didn't than they would give them to cops and soldiers. You lose.
Responsible and reasonable gun owners don't shoot the crap out of anything they want because the NRA has their back. They shoot safely and to them its a hobby that hurts nobody with respect to what they are shooting at. I'm sure there are some who'd do otherwise, there's always someone pushing the envelope.

Thi9s is from Wikipedia - which may or may not be valid, however it doesn't once mention an "assault" rifle which is what's being pushed down peoples throats to stir the masses again. I wouldn't own one myself but my point is, as per this, that's not what was used. Now if gun control of ALL GUNS is the crux of the discussion then IMO its a different issue.
The gunman threw a canister emitting a gas or smoke, partially obscuring the audience members' vision, making their throats and skin itch, and causing eye irritation. He then fired a 12-gauge Remington Model 870 shotgun, first at the ceiling and then at the audience. He also fired a Smith & Wesson M&P15 semi-automatic rifle with a 100-round drum magazine, which malfunctioned. Finally, he fired a .40 S&W Glock Model 22 handgun.

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#19 Jul 25, 2012
TheatreTech01 wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong. It means ordered. It means over sight. It doesn't mean shoot the crap out anything you want because the NRA has your back. Guns do kill people, if they didn't than they would give them to cops and soldiers. You lose.
Cut the soap. It does not and never has. The militia is regulated and must have their own weapons. They must all be in order. No weapons, no militia. They did not have weapon hand outs from any government. They did have a storehouse and powder. They were also for the common good. It was for all those who needed a weapon close to hand and could fight. They were not issued by the government, nor was there conscription. It was an all volunteer militia. They brought their own weapons. To insure that they were always ready they had responsibility for their own care and possession. Read the founders and tell me where they said that the militia and the citizens arms were to be regulated by the government. Each town had their own militia. Each citizen was armed and ready to defend themselves and their fellow citizens. Switzerland is not unlike that and was left alone for centuries. Threw off the yoke like we did. Still have assault weapons in their homes...given them by the government for their service. Can own their own as well. Can even have fully automatic firearms. The government supports this as they have only the militia to rely on.

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#20 Jul 25, 2012
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State.." announces a purpose. Look at the Supremes in DC vs Heller. It does not limit, regulate or expand the operative clause that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." It is the operative clause that demonstrates it is an individual right. Without that right we would have been dead meat again Great Britain in "that rebellion." Thanks to the Antifederalists who feared the Govermnment would disarm the people in order to disable the militias and giving a standing or select militia the right to rule. As Great Britain did in the Colonies.

I know. It can't happen here. History anyone?

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