Gun Control Debate - Morganton, NC

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Would you support a ban on handguns?

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Jack Wilson

Morganton, NC

#1 Sep 27, 2010
It's my Constitutional right to own firearms. I enjoy all types of sport shooting, and believe in self defense and protecting my family from harm. How about you?

Since: Jun 10

Morganton, NC

#2 Sep 28, 2010
It's my fundamental second amendment right to own firearms and that right can't be violated by federal, state or local goverments.

Since: Jun 10

Lincolnton, NC

#3 Jan 24, 2011
No, I wouldn't support a ban on handguns.
PublicDefender

Morganton, NC

#4 Jan 31, 2011
May i ask a question...just to poll the group so far? Would you support a tougher screening process for those who want handguns for the purpose of protecting your family, property or the 2nd Amendment? How about a felony conviction for those legitimate handgun purchases who then sell their handguns to someone who then commits a crime? As a law enforcement officer, that is almost always the case, "where did you get the gun? uh...uh... I bought it from my brother, cousin, uncle!!!" Keep in mind...the brother, cousin, uncle have never been in trouble, deserve to be able to purchase the handgun in question. But do they own the responsibility once they sell it to the "crackhead" family member?....Sorry...i too believe that the 2nd Amendment should not be altered but i believe in punishing those who abuse it to the extent of the law to protect it!!!!
Law

La Vista, NE

#5 Jan 31, 2011
PublicDefender wrote:
May i ask a question...just to poll the group so far? Would you support a tougher screening process for those who want handguns for the purpose of protecting your family, property or the 2nd Amendment?
No. The over 20,000 current Federal, State, County, Municipal, and City firearms laws are plenty.
PublicDefender wrote:
How about a felony conviction for those legitimate handgun purchases who then sell their handguns to someone who then commits a crime?
Sure, if you extend that same prosecutorial oversight to knife sellers, automobile sellers, those that sell chemicals/flammables and explosives....
PublicDefender wrote:
As a law enforcement officer, that is almost always the case, "where did you get the gun? uh...uh... I bought it from my brother, cousin, uncle!!!" Keep in mind...the brother, cousin, uncle have never been in trouble, deserve to be able to purchase the handgun in question. But do they own the responsibility once they sell it to the "crackhead" family member?....Sorry...i too believe that the 2nd Amendment should not be altered but i believe in punishing those who abuse it to the extent of the law to protect it!!!!
As a law enforcement officer you should know that far more of those guns were actually purchased off of the black market where there is no reliable means to track who has been carrying that firearm over its lifetime.
Here's a novel idea. Why don't we concentrate more on the criminals and not the tools they're using to ply their trade?
PublicDefender

Morganton, NC

#6 Jan 31, 2011
I agree with the two previous arguments, great points but the latter is not close to the truth. During investigations, more times than not, a family member or friend gave them or sold them the weapon.You cannot argue that most aggravated crimes are committed with a handgun, the proof is too obvious. That being said,the "black market" does exist but we are not talking "black market" dealers here, we are talking agun or few guns that are sold by average citizens to make a profit. How would you go about concentrating on the criminals? If it's so "novel" that is? We could use all the help we can get!!!!
Law

La Vista, NE

#7 Jan 31, 2011
PublicDefender wrote:
I agree with the two previous arguments, great points but the latter is not close to the truth.
Actually, it is. In 4 years of cases prosecuted in the City of Omaha, the weapons (including firearms) were found to have been purchased off the black market 71% of the time.
PublicDefender wrote:
During investigations, more times than not, a family member or friend gave them or sold them the weapon.
And where do you suppose they purchased that weapon?
PublicDefender wrote:
You cannot argue that most aggravated crimes are committed with a handgun, the proof is too obvious.
I never made that argument.
PublicDefender wrote:
That being said,the "black market" does exist but we are not talking "black market" dealers here, we are talking agun or few guns that are sold by average citizens to make a profit.
First, we're talking very few guns and second, guns are RARELY sold for profit as they don't appreciate unless they're antiques.
If they ARE being sold for a profit, it is usually because the seller got a "steal" of a deal acquiring them.
PublicDefender wrote:
How would you go about concentrating on the criminals? If it's so "novel" that is? We could use all the help we can get!!!!
Start with reduction in plea bargaining rewards.
Start holding judges accountable for low bails.
Start recognizing that America doesn't have a gun problem, America has a crime problem.
Stop filling prisons up with dope smokers. The numbers of non-violent felons in prisons is killing what resources we have to truly incarcerate the real threats to society.
Stop the notion that if someone misuses a tool, that ALL must not be afforded access to it.
Stop the mentality of prior restraint that taints too many polluticians' and bureaucrats' mindset.
PublicDefender

Morganton, NC

#8 Jan 31, 2011
ahhh so the root of the issue, and pardon me if i mis-speak, free the pot smokers, they dont hurt nobody? The modern mentality of private prison systems is, "we will build more if needed". We make no money off those we arrest, contrary to public opinion. Where you are, may not be anything, socially and criminally like where I am,this is the backwards south. The good-ole boy mentality here prevails. You are posting from what appears to be Nebraska. Here, the good member of the family legally acquires the permit. No Law Broken! This family member then sells the gun for $100.00 more than he purchased it for, to a non-licensed party for "protection" because the second party has something called a non-violent record, so far!!! No huge law broken on his part!!! this second party, who up till now has had a non-violent past, likes to make meth, not use, just make and needs said weapon, plus a pit bull, love that one by the way, as protection from others who might try to steal from his place. Or...he sells just a little "harmless" weed on the side, just until the economy gets better, not hurting a soul!!! So far, a few big laws broken!!! Then he has an altercation with someone he deals with, cause i dont know if you know anyone that is addicted to a drug, they are kinda not that rational!! They have words, over a proposed sales area and things escalated...now the gun is a big issue, wouldnt you agree? Non-violent offender=potential offender. Respect for the law is paramount!!!! Even if you dont agree with the Law!!!
Law

La Vista, NE

#9 Feb 1, 2011
PublicDefender wrote:
ahhh so the root of the issue, and pardon me if i mis-speak, free the pot smokers, they dont hurt nobody?
Yes. How are they on par with society's most violent?
PublicDefender wrote:
The modern mentality of private prison systems is, "we will build more if needed".
That's the mentality of all too many citizens as well.
PublicDefender wrote:
We make no money off those we arrest, contrary to public opinion. Where you are, may not be anything, socially and criminally like where I am,this is the backwards south. The good-ole boy mentality here prevails. You are posting from what appears to be Nebraska. Here, the good member of the family legally acquires the permit. No Law Broken! This family member then sells the gun for $100.00 more than he purchased it for, to a non-licensed party for "protection" because the second party has something called a non-violent record, so far!!! No huge law broken on his part!!! this second party, who up till now has had a non-violent past, likes to make meth, not use, just make and needs said weapon, plus a pit bull, love that one by the way, as protection from others who might try to steal from his place.
Sorry, if he was engaged in making meth, he's not a law-abiding citizen. Now you're encroaching on straw sales. Something for which there are already laws against.
PublicDefender wrote:
Or...he sells just a little "harmless" weed on the side, just until the economy gets better, not hurting a soul!!! So far, a few big laws broken!!! Then he has an altercation with someone he deals with, cause i dont know if you know anyone that is addicted to a drug, they are kinda not that rational!! They have words, over a proposed sales area and things escalated...now the gun is a big issue, wouldnt you agree? Non-violent offender=potential offender. Respect for the law is paramount!!!! Even if you dont agree with the Law!!!
And through it all your focus is on the gun, not the criminal activity. Why is that? Did the gun break the law? Will the gun be prosecuted? Will the gun be expected to make full restitution?
PublicDefender

Morganton, NC

#10 Feb 1, 2011
To once and for all clarify myself, I strongly, vehemently, passionately, and constitutionally support average citizens right to have firearms. The system, that is supposed to be followed, in every firearm sale or transfer, by design, if followed, should tell law enforcement who is the rightfull possessor of a firearm.(((this second party, who up till now has had a non-violent past, likes to make meth, not use, just make and needs said weapon, plus a pit bull, love that one by the way, as protection from others who might try to steal from his place.))) This statement was a sarcastic remark eluding to the fact that even non-violent offenders, back-room drug manufacturers and users, dealers included, are CRIMINALS...period!!! I treat them the same as anyone whereas the laws on the books are concerned. It is our jobs to arrest those, not by our beliefs, but by statutes elected by our state and federal legislature, right or wrong. I make no distinction regarding my own beliefs. If HANDGUNS were only possessed by those who legally had obtained the privelege, a much more strengthened
version of the modern classification, this would not be an issue. But since everyone feels that they have a God-given right to possess a handgun, it is an issue!!!! People rarely rob banks, commit drive-bys, commit robbery of any kind, with a rifle!!!!!!
Law

La Vista, NE

#11 Feb 1, 2011
PublicDefender wrote:
To once and for all clarify myself, I strongly, vehemently, passionately, and constitutionally support average citizens right to have firearms. The system, that is supposed to be followed, in every firearm sale or transfer, by design, if followed, should tell law enforcement who is the rightfull possessor of a firearm.
Bull! What system is that? It is NOT the business of the government nor any arm of it to know what commerce takes place between two citizens if they are not engaging in criminal behavior.
PublicDefender wrote:
(((this second party, who up till now has had a non-violent past, likes to make meth, not use, just make and needs said weapon, plus a pit bull, love that one by the way, as protection from others who might try to steal from his place.))) This statement was a sarcastic remark eluding to the fact that even non-violent offenders, back-room drug manufacturers and users, dealers included, are CRIMINALS...period!!! I treat them the same as anyone whereas the laws on the books are concerned.
Even if they haven't been adjudicated as such?(I'm just asking)
PublicDefender wrote:
It is our jobs to arrest those, not by our beliefs, but by statutes elected by our state and federal legislature, right or wrong. I make no distinction regarding my own beliefs. If HANDGUNS were only possessed by those who legally had obtained the privelege, a much more strengthened
version of the modern classification, this would not be an issue.
The right to keep and bear arms is just that, a right. The exercise of rights should NOT require permission slips in the form of privileges.
PublicDefender wrote:
But since everyone feels that they have a God-given right to possess a handgun, it is an issue!!!! People rarely rob banks, commit drive-bys, commit robbery of any kind, with a rifle!!!!!!
So you're focused on the tool and not the criminal. When was the last time a gun was prosecuted in a court of law? Why do you feel so adamant about prior restraint put upon law abiding citizens because others with a disdain for law & order abuse a particular tool?
PublicDefender

Morganton, NC

#12 Feb 1, 2011
to put this to bed...if you sir are someone who tries to obey the law, you will never have to worry about those of us who are sworn to administer it!!!! I can now see where this argument will go if we are not careful!!
Law

La Vista, NE

#13 Feb 1, 2011
PublicDefender wrote:
to put this to bed...if you sir are someone who tries to obey the law, you will never have to worry about those of us who are sworn to administer it!!!! I can now see where this argument will go if we are not careful!!
Upholding the law and placing onerous restrictions on the exercise of rights and liberties are not the same thing.
PublicDefender

Morganton, NC

#14 Feb 1, 2011
You are right, I am wrong, Let's leave it there. I will do, with all of my effort, what I do and you will continiue to do what you do. I will sleep tonight, that much I promise.
Law

La Vista, NE

#15 Feb 1, 2011
PublicDefender wrote:
You are right, I am wrong, Let's leave it there. I will do, with all of my effort, what I do and you will continiue to do what you do. I will sleep tonight, that much I promise.
No, I wouldn't say you're wrong. We have different views based largely on our experience and expertise. Thanks for keeping it civil.
PublicDefender

Morganton, NC

#16 Feb 1, 2011
Thank you in return!!! ahh if only all topix posts could be like this....!!!
Suspicious

Cary, NC

#17 Oct 18, 2011
Do criminals obey bans?

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