Gun Control Debate - Joliet, IL

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my secret ID

New Lenox, IL

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#21
Jan 7, 2012
 
CC Ryder wrote:
<quoted text>Well, I'd never do such a thing as that would be against the law.
I know you wouldn't, but I'm sure someone would like my idea: which wasnt really my idea. I was referring to a book that someone else told me about.
CC Ryder

Bolingbrook, IL

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#22
Jan 7, 2012
 
my secret ID wrote:
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I know you wouldn't, but I'm sure someone would like my idea: which wasnt really my idea. I was referring to a book that someone else told me about.
Yeah, I've read that book, also. Didn't think it was a good idea either.
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Omaha, NE

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#23
Jan 7, 2012
 
my secret Identity wrote:
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no one will take your guns.
I do agree that we have the right to protect ourselves, I also think there are some nut jobs who believe that armor piercing ammunition is a necessity. I agree that it may be "fun" to blow stuff up, but I don't believe that everyone should have it. Kinda like fireworks... Most people can only handle a sparkler; a lot need training to properly and safely blow up the big stuff.
Armor-piercing bullets like so called cop killer bullets was simply political grandstanding.
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#24
Jan 7, 2012
 
I thought both of you lost all of your guns in that terrible <insert natural disaster here> incident> Still haven't recovered them, either?
my secret ID

New Lenox, IL

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#25
Jan 7, 2012
 
Law wrote:
<quoted text>Armor-piercing bullets like so called cop killer bullets was simply political grandstanding.
not necessarily. It seems to be part of their 'christian militia' that I spoke of earlier; and was criticized for.
I believe everyone should be allowed to protect themselves; but I also believe that the crazy ammunition is unnecessary. The only problem with regulating that, is that it's another "law" against the second amendment.
my secret ID

New Lenox, IL

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#26
Jan 7, 2012
 
Law wrote:
I thought both of you lost all of your guns in that terrible <insert natural disaster here> incident> Still haven't recovered them, either?
tornado! ;-)
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Omaha, NE

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#27
Jan 7, 2012
 
my secret ID wrote:
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not necessarily. It seems to be part of their 'christian militia' that I spoke of earlier; and was criticized for.
And yet you provided no credible cites to show that this "Christian Militia" was any kind of a force to be reckoned.
Do tell, what IS an armor piercing load and from what weapons may it be shot from? Same for "cop killers".
my secret ID wrote:
I believe everyone should be allowed to protect themselves; but I also believe that the crazy ammunition is unnecessary.
And who decides what is "crazy ammunition"?
my secret ID wrote:
The only problem with regulating that, is that it's another "law" against the second amendment.
Again, it is political grandstanding at its worst. Can you provide a cite to a crime where this "crazy ammunition" was used in the commision of a crime?
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Omaha, NE

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#28
Jan 7, 2012
 
Changed the name back
secret identity

New Lenox, IL

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#29
Jan 7, 2012
 
Law wrote:
Changed the name back
I believe you can purchase them for any gun. I was speaking more towards the automatic rifles. Their purpose is to penetrate concrete or bulletproof glass etc. I never machined any, but there are a lot of metals that can withstand high heat/speed etc. there are also a lot of ways to heat-treat and harden the nose. I can't imagine why anyone would need or want this for personal use. Unless they live in a large open space and need to break up some concrete. I have a feeling that you knew this already. As for 'Christian Militia', I thought I explained this already. It is a generic term for some redneck-bible thumping crazies that seem to picket and protest any form of 'liberalism'. They are all hyped up because Obama is in office, and feel like everyone is out to get them. If you happen to be one of these paranoid conspiracy-theorists who think everyone else is wrong; but you, then I apologize. I dont know how to better explain this. Do you not have a television?
secret identity

New Lenox, IL

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#30
Jan 7, 2012
 
demarest wrote:
<quoted text>And yet you provided no credible cites to show that this "Christian Militia" was any kind of a force to be reckoned.
Do tell, what IS an armor piercing load and from what weapons may it be shot from? Same for "cop killers".
my secret ID wrote, "
I believe everyone should be allowed to protect themselves; but I also believe that the crazy ammunition is unnecessary.
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And who decides what is "crazy ammunition"?
my secret ID wrote, "
The only problem with regulating that, is that it's another "law" against the second amendment. "

Again, it is political grandstanding at its worst. Can you provide a cite to a crime where this "crazy ammunition" was used in the commision of a crime?
also, I can probably google it, but no. I can not provide any citation. Chances are, there has been no crimes committed with armor piercing ammo ever.
While you're here, would you like to explain winchokes to me please? I have the three basics that came with a 1300.
secret identity

New Lenox, IL

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#31
Jan 7, 2012
 
secret identity wrote:
<quoted text>also, I can probably google it, but no. I can not provide any citation. Chances are, there has been no crimes committed with armor piercing ammo ever.
While you're here, would you like to explain winchokes to me please? I have the three basics that came with a 1300.
biggie smalls was killed with a 'rare' armor-piercing bullet. <~that is all I got
Law

Omaha, NE

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#32
Jan 7, 2012
 
secret identity wrote:
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I believe you can purchase them for any gun. I was speaking more towards the automatic rifles. Their purpose is to penetrate concrete or bulletproof glass etc. I never machined any, but there are a lot of metals that can withstand high heat/speed etc. there are also a lot of ways to heat-treat and harden the nose. I can't imagine why anyone would need or want this for personal use. Unless they live in a large open space and need to break up some concrete. I have a feeling that you knew this already.
Who would use it? Gangbangers prefer handguns and you'll never get the necessary velocity. When was the last time you read about a crime with autos short of the North Hollywood incident in 1997?
The polluticians were yammering about how the so called "cop killer bullets" with the teflon tips could penetrate a kevlar vest.(Which many hunting rounds already could) And made it sound like the Teflon somehow gave the bullet this mystical ability. Sadly, too many of the unaware public knew enough to question it and went along with what ever hysteria the pols were stirring up.
secret identity wrote:
As for 'Christian Militia', I thought I explained this already. It is a generic term for some redneck-bible thumping crazies that seem to picket and protest any form of 'liberalism'. They are all hyped up because Obama is in office, and feel like everyone is out to get them.
First off, they a far and few between and second, people who ascribe to addled-minded cliches like "redneck-bible thumping crazies" also resort to "gun nuts" as an all encompassing stereotype for people who dare to question the unnecessary laws and don't buy into the "common good" justification for additional hoops necessary to exercise a constitutional right.
secret identity wrote:
If you happen to be one of these paranoid conspiracy-theorists who think everyone else is wrong; but you, then I apologize. I dont know how to better explain this. Do you not have a television?
No, I'm one of these paranoid realists that realize that there are people in office that would love nothing more than a UN Small Arms Treaty signed and implemented in the US.
I'm one of those mopes who have heard polluticians use nebulous terms like "assault weapons", "armor piercing bullets", "automatic weapons" (when in fact their use in crime is EXTREMELY rare). I guess a crazy like me is off my rocker for believing that the government was only given limited powers and have stretched that well beyond the elasticity of the interstate commerce laws, etc. Yes, I have a television. Why do you ask?
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#33
Jan 7, 2012
 
secret identity wrote:
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biggie smalls was killed with a 'rare' armor-piercing bullet. <~that is all I got
He was killed by a 9-mm semi-auto. You really believe that a 9mm is going to deliver the velocity to pierce armor??
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#34
Jan 7, 2012
 
secret identity wrote:
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also, I can probably google it, but no. I can not provide any citation. Chances are, there has been no crimes committed with armor piercing ammo ever.
While you're here, would you like to explain winchokes to me please? I have the three basics that came with a 1300.
I know of the 12 and 20. Do they have another one?
I know here good for slug shooting with better than average accuracy. A brother-in-law had a 12 gauge one.
Don't know how much you save on the price of additional barrels by just getting the tubes but I've heard more than once where a tube jammed at the joint and ruined both the tube and the barrel.
secret identity

New Lenox, IL

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#35
Jan 7, 2012
 
Law wrote:
<quoted text>He was killed by a 9-mm semi-auto. You really believe that a 9mm is going to deliver the velocity to pierce armor??
I think there are bullets designed or built to do that. Especially the ones with those buttons that pop. I can't remember the details on them, but yes. Personally I have a hard time with a Law being created to ban them regardless. One law leads to another and before you know it; every freedom has been stripped away. BUT-I don't necessarily see a practical use for them either.
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Omaha, NE

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#36
Jan 7, 2012
 
secret identity wrote:
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I think there are bullets designed or built to do that. Especially the ones with those buttons that pop. I can't remember the details on them, but yes. Personally I have a hard time with a Law being created to ban them regardless. One law leads to another and before you know it; every freedom has been stripped away. BUT-I don't necessarily see a practical use for them either.
I know of the explosive rounds but to my knowledge their purpose is not in conjunction with an armor piercing role. In fact, I'd be surprised if the explosive wouldn't prematurely detonate before desired penetration was achieved. Damn that has unintentional sexual overtones :( I agree 100% with you one the snowball effect of laws.
TAMMY VERDULLA

Shorewood, IL

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#37
Jan 7, 2012
 
I OWN A GUN, I BELIEVE IF YOU BAN THEM,THAT ONLY THE GANGBANGERS AND CRIMINALS WOULD STILL HAVE THEM AND NON CRIMINALS LIKE MYSELF COULD BE TARGETED MORE BY THOSE CRIMINALS.
CC Ryder

United States

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#38
Jan 8, 2012
 
TAMMY VERDULLA wrote:
I OWN A GUN, I BELIEVE IF YOU BAN THEM,THAT ONLY THE GANGBANGERS AND CRIMINALS WOULD STILL HAVE THEM AND NON CRIMINALS LIKE MYSELF COULD BE TARGETED MORE BY THOSE CRIMINALS.
If you have all the nessary documentation to own a firearm, I say good for you as you can see their has been a surge in the amount of crimes as of late. Not only in our state, but cross the country and with the state of our countries ecomomy it may only get worse.
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New Lenox, IL

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#39
Jan 8, 2012
 
Law wrote:
<quoted text>I know of the 12 and 20. Do they have another one?
I know here good for slug shooting with better than average accuracy. A brother-in-law had a 12 gauge one.
Don't know how much you save on the price of additional barrels by just getting the tubes but I've heard more than once where a tube jammed at the joint and ruined both the tube and the barrel.
just saw this post, apologize for the delay and appreciate your time.
This is a 12ga and came with three winchokes (bores?) I don't know anything about them, I did read that one was for short distance, one for long and the other for "pattern something-or-other)
I am not a fan of "spare" parts for explosives. It seems that getting jammed would happen more often than not, but again, I know nothing!! I will have to wait and see what they chose to use today.
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#40
Jan 8, 2012
 
Law wrote:
<quoted text>He was killed by a 9-mm semi-auto. You really believe that a 9mm is going to deliver the velocity to pierce armor??
I read that there was a rare type of ammo. I'm going to find the link soon, just so I don't look like an absolute moron ;-)

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