Gun Control Debate - Gainesville, VA

Discuss the national Gun Control debate in Gainesville, VA.

Would you support a ban on handguns?

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Law

Des Moines, IA

#103 Jan 28, 2011
Shirley wrote:
So, Chucksc can you provide some reliable statistics about people with handguns that have saved lives? Statistics about handguns being used for defensive purposes and saving a life? Compared to the many killed by people with guns every year.
Reliable statistics show that thousands of people die by handgun every year. How many are saved by handgun?
The US has the highest rate of gun deaths in the world, Brazil second, Mexico third. In the US 12,632 gun murders in 2007 PLUS 17,352 suicides by gun in 2007. Plus more from gun accidents.(from CDC)
Two more police officers killed by a person with a gun this morning in Florida.
People with guns kill people. How many more?
Here Shirley.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdguse.ht...
Law

Des Moines, IA

#104 Jan 28, 2011
Shirley wrote:
a 5 year old boy brought a loaded handgun to pre school.
WHY? too many guns and too easy to get if a 5 yr old has one.
OK gun nuts. defend this.
You sound disappointed that the 5 year old doidn't shoot anyone. Couldn't dance in the blood, could you?
Mark the Cop

United States

#105 Jan 29, 2011
That was really helpful. Statistics from the gun industry. You fell for the bait.

Cops know that guns are rarely used for actual defense. Most often people with guns are inexperienced and only wind up shooting more people. Especially in domestic violence.

too many people have way too many guns. Guns are too easy to get, especially when a five year old brings a loaded gun to pre-school
Law

La Vista, NE

#106 Jan 29, 2011
Mark the Cop wrote:
That was really helpful. Statistics from the gun industry. You fell for the bait.
You obviously didn't go to the link.
Studies were included from..
National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS)

That was one of the findings in a national survey conducted by Gary Kleck, a Florida State University criminologist in 1993. A criminologist. Imagine that.

""Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun," Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology 1995, Vol. 86 No. 1.) "

Survey Research and Self-Defense Gun Use: An Explanation of Extreme Overestimates.

Lawrence Southwick, Jr., Guns and Justifiable Homicide: Deterrence and Defense - concludes there are at least 400,000 "fewer violent crimes due to civilian self-defense use of guns" and at least "800,000 violent crimes are deterred each year because of gun ownership and use by civilians."

Too bad you want to be intellectually lazy and not see the research done by all of these. Instead, you'll write them off as pro-gun. Once again hallmarking your laziness.
Think John Lott is pro-gun? Think again.
Mark the Cop wrote:
Cops know that guns are rarely used for actual defense. Most often people with guns are inexperienced and only wind up shooting more people. Especially in domestic violence.
Really? Have you got data to support your assertion?
Mark the Cop wrote:
too many people have way too many guns.
Really? How many is too many? How many is just enough? How many is too few?
Who made you the arbiter of what quantities constitute "too many"?
If you're a cop, you're the worst kind. A frustrated control freak.
Mark the Cop wrote:
Guns are too easy to get, especially when a five year old brings a loaded gun to pre-school
And that has what to do with the millions of Americans that stow their guns safely?

Let me guess, as a crooked cop you're no doubt a HUGE fan of prior restraint.
Bill

Brighton, CO

#107 Jan 29, 2011
Mark the Cop wrote:
That was really helpful. Statistics from the gun industry. You fell for the bait.
Cops know that guns are rarely used for actual defense. Most often people with guns are inexperienced and only wind up shooting more people. Especially in domestic violence.
too many people have way too many guns. Guns are too easy to get, especially when a five year old brings a loaded gun to pre-school
Let me remind you as a Law Enforcement officer you swore an oath to protect the Constitution of the United States. Being Law Enforcement I'm assuming that you are an expert in the Constitution and the purpose it serves. As Law Enforcement I'm sure you are also aware of data from the ATF involving violent crimes with firearms. Also as Law Enforcement I'm sure your aware that most domestic violence cases don't even involve a firearm.

In my experience I have found that most Law Enforcement officers have less experience with a firearm than your armed neighbor. Proof is in their scores when they qualify each quarter. The majority of Law Enforcement does not spend the time needed at the range in realistic situations, to be proficient with a firearm. That is why in most police shootings "hundreds of rounds were fired".

Wondering;
Were and when did this five year old walk into a pre-school with a loaded firearm? Were the parents held responsible?
Bill

Brighton, CO

#108 Jan 29, 2011
I found the case with the preschooler. It appears the parents have been charged criminally as they should be.
Nova Dude

Monroe, LA

#109 Feb 8, 2011
Chad Jones

United States

#110 Mar 18, 2013
The only people who would benefit from a ban on handguns or any other firearm are the criminals and mentally deranged predators who will not comply with the ban and plan to use these tools in an unlawful manner against their disarmed prey. Laws do not stop criminals, they only punish the criminals after they have broken the law. Take a good look at Chicago.
Chad Jones

United States

#111 Mar 18, 2013
Of course, mainstream media does not care about all the crimes that are diverted and all the lives that were saved by law abiding citizens with firearms. All the attention goes to the smallest fraction of people who use firearms in an unlawful manner. A mass shooter gets more attention than a ccw holder who stops a mass shooting from happening. I say it's a shame that mainstream media hides and downplays events where firearms are used to protect the lives of innocents just to push their government-funded agenda. And shame on all you cowards out there who grew up in pink-padded rooms with ponies, butterflies, and flowers who've never even liften a finger to protect yourself, or anyone else around you, but try to tell us folks who don't live in ivory towers isolated from the real world that we don't need to protect ourselves just because YOU'VE never had to. He fact is that there are evil people in the world who don't abide by laws and go out of their way to harm innocent people. If you can't acknowledge that, then get off this site and go ride your unicorn into the rainbow like you've always done before this subject came up. Disarming innocent people does not help them! Cops do not show up to protect you just in the knick of time like in the.movies, they show up to file a report and collect evidence. It's not their job or anyone else's to protect your life, it's yours! You are the first responder because you're the one who deals with the bad guy firsr, not them. They can't be everywhere at once. So why make it harder on yourself and everyone else to be able to defend ourselves against people who wish to do us harm?
Pat

Catonsville, MD

#112 Mar 18, 2013
in 2012 more than 12,000 Americans were murdered by guns. Another 18,000 used a gun to kill themselves. Another 2,000 killed in user accidents. Fewer than 100 reported incidents where a lawful gun owner prevented anything.

In 2013, another 12,000 Americans will be murdered by guns.

Since Newtown, more than 3,000 Americans have been murdered by guns.

The easy access to guns kills people. Don't bother with the trite NRA statement that guns don't kill people. The fact is that the easy access to guns is responsible for the death of tens of thousands of Americans.

People do not need guns.

The NRA is only the voice of the gun manufacturers. Too many people are listening to the NRA voice.

Guns kill people. Without guns, last year more than 30,000 Americans would still be alive.
Michelle

Catonsville, MD

#113 Mar 18, 2013
Way to go Pat. You will really get the gun nuts riled up with your facts & comments.

The number of people and families owning guns is at the lowest level in decades. The total number of guns is at the highest level. The gun nuts continue to fall for the NRA PR and are buying guns and bullet s as fast as they can. More guns, more gun deaths.

The best part will be the responses from the gun nuts as they prove just how dumb they are.
KuroHouou

Gainesville, VA

#114 Mar 18, 2013
First, I enjoy shooting. I like going to the range and own multiple guns locked up. But I do feel this country has to change, its not the 1800's anymore. Everyone doesn't need a gun. But people should still be able to keep and use their guns at licensed gun ranges, or designated hunting locations, just so they can feel like they haven't lost their right. There guns could be checked out properly and monitored to make sure they aren't removed from the area. We need to get guns off the street and away from the common criminal or insane person. People may say they need them for protection but I ask this. How will you protect your child when they are at the movies or school when you are at home or at work. You can't. I would feel much safer with a baseball bat, taser, knife or anything else at home knowing guns have been banned on the streets and the common robber won't have one. And most of all I would feel much better knowing my kids have less chance of being shot and killed!
KuroHouou

Gainesville, VA

#115 Mar 18, 2013
Chad Jones wrote:
Of course, mainstream media does not care about all the crimes that are diverted and all the lives that were saved by law abiding citizens with firearms. All the attention goes to the smallest fraction of people who use firearms in an unlawful manner. A mass shooter gets more attention than a ccw holder who stops a mass shooting from happening. I say it's a shame that mainstream media hides and downplays events where firearms are used to protect the lives of innocents just to push their government-funded agenda. And shame on all you cowards out there who grew up in pink-padded rooms with ponies, butterflies, and flowers who've never even liften a finger to protect yourself, or anyone else around you, but try to tell us folks who don't live in ivory towers isolated from the real world that we don't need to protect ourselves just because YOU'VE never had to. He fact is that there are evil people in the world who don't abide by laws and go out of their way to harm innocent people. If you can't acknowledge that, then get off this site and go ride your unicorn into the rainbow like you've always done before this subject came up. Disarming innocent people does not help them! Cops do not show up to protect you just in the knick of time like in the.movies, they show up to file a report and collect evidence. It's not their job or anyone else's to protect your life, it's yours! You are the first responder because you're the one who deals with the bad guy firsr, not them. They can't be everywhere at once. So why make it harder on yourself and everyone else to be able to defend ourselves against people who wish to do us harm?
When was the last time someone saved a group of people from a mass shooting because that person was armed and saved everyone? I am just curious, there has to be some kind of article out there as you talked about it right? How also will you with your concealed weapon save your child from getting shot at school while your at work? It's nice to say these things if your in the right place at the right time, but the majority of the time your not, no one is. It happens all to fast and the people laying dead are the innocent :(
Pat in Dumfries

Marshall, VA

#116 Mar 22, 2013
The American gun culture and violence hits close to home. A gun crazy shoots and kills two Marines and then kills himself. Two innocent active duty Marines are dead because of easy access to a gun.

Yes this shooter was crazy and should not have a gun. But he did, even though he was crazy. The easy access to guns kills two young Marines.

What a waste.

Too many guns in our society. Easy access to guns. Guns kill people. And Marines too.
what

Pittsburgh, PA

#117 Mar 22, 2013
Pat in Dumfries wrote:
The American gun culture and violence hits close to home. A gun crazy shoots and kills two Marines and then kills himself. Two innocent active duty Marines are dead because of easy access to a gun.
Yes this shooter was crazy and should not have a gun. But he did, even though he was crazy. The easy access to guns kills two young Marines.
What a waste.
Too many guns in our society. Easy access to guns. Guns kill people. And Marines too.
That "gun crazy" was a fellow Marine, not to mention in almost all situations guns are actually not allowed to be carried on military bases, even by its own personnel (unless they're security).

Try again.
bullfeathers

Frederick, MD

#118 Mar 22, 2013
No amendment should trump the right to life.

Since when is being against guns un-american?
What is with people assuming that their opinions are an American opinion? I'm an American, and much like 150 million other American people (see 2012 elections).. I/We disagree with what your definition of "American" is.

It's land and resources. It's not made up of my or your opinions, religion, political stances. Grow UP!
Pat

Marshall, VA

#119 Mar 22, 2013
what wrote:
<quoted text>
That "gun crazy" was a fellow Marine, not to mention in almost all situations guns are actually not allowed to be carried on military bases, even by its own personnel (unless they're security).
Try again.
The point is that if the shooter did not not have access to a gun, the two innocent young Marines would be alive.

There are too many guns in America and too easy to obtain. The two dead Marines were killed by a gun that was too easy to get. No gun, no dead Marines

In 2012 more than 30,000 Americans were killed by guns.
KuroHouou

Gainesville, VA

#120 Apr 3, 2013
Sonnyboy Lethalstein wrote:
2nd Amendment. Duh!
21st amendment changed the 18th, Duh! That's why they made the constitution the way they did, so it can be changed with the times. Just like the 2nd amendment is out dated, it needs to be rescinded as well. Just because its an old law doesn't make it a good or relevant one anymore.
KuroHouou

Gainesville, VA

#121 Apr 3, 2013
what wrote:
<quoted text>
That "gun crazy" was a fellow Marine, not to mention in almost all situations guns are actually not allowed to be carried on military bases, even by its own personnel (unless they're security).
Try again.
Exactly why they need to remove all guns in general. The law can say no guns allowed in an area, but with how easy it is to get access to them it doesn't matter. The fact is its to easy to get a gun. And just having background checks won't help. They need to be taken off the streets and no one should have access to them!
what

Fairfax, VA

#122 Apr 3, 2013
KuroHouou wrote:
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Exactly why they need to remove all guns in general. The law can say no guns allowed in an area, but with how easy it is to get access to them it doesn't matter. The fact is its to easy to get a gun. And just having background checks won't help. They need to be taken off the streets and no one should have access to them!
So you're suggesting completely disarming the government/military as well as the general population, or just the latter?

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