Gun Control Debate - Estero, FL

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Marty Oberstaedt

Cape Coral, FL

#1 Sep 25, 2010
Takes away an individual's right to defend one's life and property from individuals who want to take them away...pure and simple.
Alicia deMiranda

Cape Coral, FL

#2 Sep 26, 2010
It's our right to bear arms for self protection.
Patrick Coleman

Naples, FL

#3 Sep 27, 2010
I am British. and guns only kill...

Since: Jul 09

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#4 Sep 30, 2010
Patrick Coleman wrote:
I am British. and guns only kill...
I hate to be the one to say it but, this is America. Please read the founding documents written by our great founders. Our "laws" don't care about your "opinion" or the laws in the country you chose to leave to live here...

You are in The USA... Not Britain. We are "citizens" not "subjects". There is a big difference.

"When right, I shall often be thought wrong by those whose positions will not command a view of the whole ground." - Thomas Jefferson

George Washington: "A free people ought to be armed."

”Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth.”~George Washington

Thomas Jefferson: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."

James Madison: "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms."

William Pitt: "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."

Thomas Paine: "...arms...discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property....Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them."

Patrick Henry: "The people have a right to keep and bear arms."

Noah Webster: "Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority...the Constitution was made to guard against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."

”None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army. To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important.”~Thomas Jefferson

”God grants Liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it.”~Daniel Webster

”A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”~George Washington

”I am thus far a Quaker, that I would gladly argue with all the world to lay aside the use of arms and settle matters by negotiation, but unless the whole will, the matter ends, and I take up my musket and thank Heaven He has put it in my power.”
~Thomas Paine

”You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass.”~Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

”Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don’t need guns, as their having guns doesn’t serve the State.”~Heinrich Himmler

”Americans used to roar like lions for liberty; now we bleat like sheep for security.”~Norman Vincent Peale

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#5 Sep 30, 2010
Patrick Coleman wrote:
I am British. and guns only kill...
You've also brought to mind what our great founders had to say about immigration:

Jefferson, Thomas
Former President, founding father
"Yet from such [absolute monarchies], we are to expect the greatest number of emigrants.

They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an unbounded licentiousness, passing as is usual, from one extreme to another.

It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty.

Their principles with their language, they will transmit to their children.

In proportion to their numbers, they will share with us in the legislation.

They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its direction, and render it a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass."
("Notes on Virginia," 1782)
Hamilton, Alexander
Founding father

"The opinion advanced [by Jefferson,] is undoubtedly correct, that foreigners will generally be apt to bring with them attachments to the persons they have left behind; to the country of their nativity, and to its particular customs and manners.

They will also entertain opinions on government congenial with those under which they have lived; or, if they should be led hither from a preference to ours, how extremely unlikely is it that they will bring with them that temperate love of liberty, so essential to real republicanism?

There may, as to particular individuals, and at particular times, be occasional exceptions to these remarks, yet such is the general rule.

The influx of foreigners must, therefore, tend to produce a heterogeneous compound; to complicate and confound public opinion; to introduce foreign propensities.

In the composition of society, the harmony of the ingredients is all-important, and whatever tends to a discordant intermixture must have an injurious tendency."
("Examinations of Jefferson's Message to Congress of December 7th, 1801," Jan. 12, 1802)


Fort Myers, FL

#6 Sep 30, 2010
Patrick Coleman wrote:
I am British. and guns only kill...
You're British. This is America. We've already kicked your ass once, don't make us do it again.

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