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#109
Jan 1, 2013
 
creegah wrote:
<quoted text> Keep and bear arms. Arms, in this case, is defined as the standard infantry musket which is further defined as a muzzle-loaded, smooth bore long gun, fired from the shoulder. All other firearms are illegal.
Where does the 2nd Amendment state that?

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Jan 1, 2013
 
Law wrote:
<quoted text>Where does the 2nd Amendment state that?
He's, OBVIOUSLY, a N.C. boy.'Nuff said.

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#111
Jan 1, 2013
 
All I know is Canada got about as many guns as we have and they don't have anywhere near the gun violence we have. So I think we should look to Canada to see what they're doing right.

But I think a lot of Pro-Gun people go too far when they start talking about government trying to ban guns. NO ONE has ever said. The NRA attacks Obama on guns when Obama has barely touched the subject. I don't even remember the last time he even made a comment on Gun Control. So anyone using Obama in their argument please stop spreading that lie.

Now having said that, yes there should be SMART, REASONABLE procedures. And I think that's what people in general want. No one wants a Mad Man who just lost his job, high on some suicidal drug walking into Gun Shop getting the best Military grade gun they find. Now I don't know if we can get Military grade guns, but you guys understand what I'm saying. I'm all for guns. I'm not a fan of them myself, but I don't think they should banned. That's stupid. But making sure only responsible mentally stable Adults can acquire guns shouldn't be a debate.
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Jan 2, 2013
 
Mr_Uaintuponthis wrote:
All I know is Canada got about as many guns as we have and they don't have anywhere near the gun violence we have. So I think we should look to Canada to see what they're doing right.
Canada doesn't have as much population. Canada doesn't have drug war fuled gang violence.
Canada doesn't have a considerable number of broken families.
Canada doesn't have inner city poverty numbers that compare.
Canada doesn't have a Constitution that allows people to keep and bear arms.
So find a country that compares to the US.
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But I think a lot of Pro-Gun people go too far when they start talking about government trying to ban guns. NO ONE has ever said.
So the Assault Weapons Ban doesn't ban guns? What does it ban then?
Mr_Uaintuponthis wrote:
The NRA attacks Obama on guns when Obama has barely touched the subject. I don't even remember the last time he even made a comment on Gun Control.
You really should pay more attention. Does your knowledge of Obama and his gun politics only cover his days in the White House?
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So anyone using Obama in their argument please stop spreading that lie.
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Tell that to the Huffington Post. And the article camed BEFORE the Newton incident.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/15/obam...

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Now having said that, yes there should be SMART, REASONABLE procedures. And I think that's what people in general want. No one wants a Mad Man who just lost his job, high on some suicidal drug walking into Gun Shop getting the best Military grade gun they find.
Open your eyes. There are already laws on the books against that.
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Now I don't know if we can get Military grade guns, but you guys understand what I'm saying. I'm all for guns. I'm not a fan of them myself, but I don't think they should banned. That's stupid. But making sure only responsible mentally stable Adults can acquire guns shouldn't be a debate.
You really don't knowabout the over 20,000 current Federal, State, County, Municipal, and City firearms laws already on the books?
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#113
Jan 2, 2013
 
Mr_Uaintuponthis wrote:
All I know is Canada got about as many guns as we have and they don't have anywhere near the gun violence we have. So I think we should look to Canada to see what they're doing right.
But I think a lot of Pro-Gun people go too far when they start talking about government trying to ban guns. NO ONE has ever said. The NRA attacks Obama on guns when Obama has barely touched the subject. I don't even remember the last time he even made a comment on Gun Control. So anyone using Obama in their argument please stop spreading that lie.
Now having said that, yes there should be SMART, REASONABLE procedures. And I think that's what people in general want. No one wants a Mad Man who just lost his job, high on some suicidal drug walking into Gun Shop getting the best Military grade gun they find. Now I don't know if we can get Military grade guns, but you guys understand what I'm saying. I'm all for guns. I'm not a fan of them myself, but I don't think they should banned. That's stupid. But making sure only responsible mentally stable Adults can acquire guns shouldn't be a debate.
Wow, do you always spout off when you know so little about a subject? Canada has FAR FEWER firearms than we do. It is difficult to purchase a handgun in Canada, and once you own one, their government knows what you have...it's registered. We don't have registration here, contrary to what you see on TV. Registration only leads to confiscation. As for Obama's record on firearms? He has voted to ban handguns outright (he's from Chicago where until recently, it was ILLEGAL to own a handgun...so much for cutting crime with a ban, huh?), he also recently told Sarah Brady that he has had to work under the radar on his anti-gun agenda. If you would do some research, you'd know all of this...but instead you choose to remain ignorant and simply think you know. Very dangerous.

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#114
Jan 2, 2013
 
Law wrote:
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Canada doesn't have as much population. Canada doesn't have drug war fuled gang violence.
Canada doesn't have a considerable number of broken families.
Canada doesn't have inner city poverty numbers that compare.
Canada doesn't have a Constitution that allows people to keep and bear arms.
So find a country that compares to the US.
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So the Assault Weapons Ban doesn't ban guns? What does it ban then?
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You really should pay more attention. Does your knowledge of Obama and his gun politics only cover his days in the White House?
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Open your eyes. There are already laws on the books against that.
<quoted text>You really don't knowabout the over 20,000 current Federal, State, County, Municipal, and City firearms laws already on the books?
I know there are laws on the books. I haven't done any research on them though. I just people can obtain military grade weapons legally. Otherwise we wouldn't have successful gun shows.

If the "Assault Weapon Ban" is literal, then that means it only bans Assault Weapons. Not Hand Guns, Shot Guns, Not Snipers, Assault Weapons. Weapons that are made to shoot as many things as possible. Now if it has hidden legislation then sure fight on. I won't stop you.

But yes I'm talking about President Obama, not Senator Obama. President Obama does what he's told. And as far I as I know, he hasn't said much about Guns. Because he has more important issues to worry about. Like even bigger guns overseas that may or may not be there.
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Jan 2, 2013
 
Mr_Uaintuponthis wrote:
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I know there are laws on the books. I haven't done any research on them though. I just people can obtain military grade weapons legally. Otherwise we wouldn't have successful gun shows.
BS. Gun shows would be successful anyway. And bein as you don't know what a "military grade weapon" is, what makes you think they are sold at gun shows?
Mr_Uaintuponthis wrote:
If the "Assault Weapon Ban" is literal, then that means it only bans Assault Weapons. Not Hand Guns, Shot Guns, Not Snipers, Assault Weapons.
And when polluticians are the one's definign what an "asault weapon" is, they can make it as wide as they want to. They are NOT firearms experts.
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Weapons that are made to shoot as many things as possible.
Huh???
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Now if it has hidden legislation then sure fight on. I won't stop you.
But yes I'm talking about President Obama, not Senator Obama. President Obama does what he's told. And as far I as I know, he hasn't said much about Guns. Because he has more important issues to worry about. Like even bigger guns overseas that may or may not be there.
Really? He hasn't said anything abiout guns these last 2 weeks?

Then there's this matter....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/15/obam...

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#116
Jan 3, 2013
 
Law wrote:
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BS. Gun shows would be successful anyway. And bein as you don't know what a "military grade weapon" is, what makes you think they are sold at gun shows?
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And when polluticians are the one's definign what an "asault weapon" is, they can make it as wide as they want to. They are NOT firearms experts.
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Huh???
<quoted text>Really? He hasn't said anything abiout guns these last 2 weeks?
Then there's this matter....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/15/obam...
Wow it's amazing what happens when you take a break from politics.

Ok he's doing something now, but during his first term the NRA and such were all up in arms spreading false lies saying he was trying to take people's guns. Never happened the first term. He may be trying to obtain power to control gun laws, but the NRA is little strong for that to happen. I don't think it's possible nor do I agree with it happening.

But what I mean by Gun Shows being successful is, a gun show isn't a gun show without the big guns. Imagine going to a gun show, and all they had were some basic shotguns, handguns, some rifles and some old guns. Not many people would go. But I know they have some Military weapons there, like Spas12's, AK's, M16, etc. Then you got new guns that come out. People come to see those guns. People would pay to just hold those guns, heck probably even test them out. Never been to a show, but I can't imagine a gun show being any fun if there isn't a firing range. Nobody wants to go to a show for guns they probably already got or look at at their local gun shop.
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#117
Jan 3, 2013
 
Mr_Uaintuponthis wrote:
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Wow it's amazing what happens when you take a break from politics.
Ok he's doing something now, but during his first term the NRA and such were all up in arms spreading false lies saying he was trying to take people's guns.
Got proof?
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Never happened the first term. He may be trying to obtain power to control gun laws, but the NRA is little strong for that to happen. I don't think it's possible nor do I agree with it happening.
The NRA will do what they will to increase their numbers. They are no different than any other organization that accuses the other side of wanting to starve old people or steal their Social Security.
The media...both left and right..are nothing but circus barkers trying to see how many clowns they can cram in their little car.
Mr_Uaintuponthis wrote:
But what I mean by Gun Shows being successful is, a gun show isn't a gun show without the big guns.
Really? I've been to over 300 Gun SHows in 34 years and many didn't have "big guns" (whatever that means) and they were still successful.
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Imagine going to a gun show, and all they had were some basic shotguns, handguns, some rifles and some old guns. Not many people would go.
Pure supposition on your part. Granted fewer people might not go if they don't think the guns they are looking for would be sold there but that is true for about any gun.
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But I know they have some Military weapons there, like Spas12's, AK's, M16, etc.
M16??? I've never seen one at a Gun Show. I HAVE seen where a dealer will advertise that he is selling one and someone will purchase one from him. Later, he runs the NICS and checks the purchaser for his tax stamp. If both are on the up and up he meets with the purchase for the transaction. Nithing wrong with that.
As to the AK?? Do you realize how many hunting rifles fire a more powerful round than an AK??? AK's aren't as sinister as the media makes them out to be.
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Then you got new guns that come out. People come to see those guns. People would pay to just hold those guns, heck probably even test them out.
So?
Mr_Uaintuponthis wrote:
Never been to a show,...
Well there you go!!!!
After making this comment "But I know they have some Military weapons there, like Spas12's, AK's, M16, etc".
Now you admit you've never been to a gun show. Damn, you just nuked your own argument.
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but I can't imagine a gun show being any fun if there isn't a firing range.
That's becaue you don't know anything about guns or the people that buy them.
Mr_Uaintuponthis wrote:
Nobody wants to go to a show for guns they probably already got or look at at their local gun shop.
Really? Is this based on your experience at gun shows? Wait, you admitted you've never been to one.
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#118
Jan 3, 2013
 
Law wrote:
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Got proof?
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The NRA will do what they will to increase their numbers. They are no different than any other organization that accuses the other side of wanting to starve old people or steal their Social Security.
The media...both left and right..are nothing but circus barkers trying to see how many clowns they can cram in their little car.
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Really? I've been to over 300 Gun SHows in 34 years and many didn't have "big guns" (whatever that means) and they were still successful.
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Pure supposition on your part. Granted fewer people might not go if they don't think the guns they are looking for would be sold there but that is true for about any gun.
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M16??? I've never seen one at a Gun Show. I HAVE seen where a dealer will advertise that he is selling one and someone will purchase one from him. Later, he runs the NICS and checks the purchaser for his tax stamp. If both are on the up and up he meets with the purchase for the transaction. Nithing wrong with that.
As to the AK?? Do you realize how many hunting rifles fire a more powerful round than an AK??? AK's aren't as sinister as the media makes them out to be.
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So?
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Well there you go!!!!
After making this comment "But I know they have some Military weapons there, like Spas12's, AK's, M16, etc".
Now you admit you've never been to a gun show. Damn, you just nuked your own argument.
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That's becaue you don't know anything about guns or the people that buy them.
<quoted text>Really? Is this based on your experience at gun shows? Wait, you admitted you've never been to one.
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Ok let me stop playing idiot.

I've already admitted that I don't know anything about guns, gun laws or gun shows. But I'm interested in the Gun Control issue so I always find the best way to research something is take the little knowledge you do have, talk to someone who knows what their talking about and annoy them with your ignorance on the issue. They almost almost always tell you most of what you need to know to start researching.

I know this sounds unbelievable, but I developed this from actual experience, trying to debate someone who knew what they were talking about and ended up learning more getting my butt handed to me. Then I research on what I've learned from debate.

Thank You for putting up with me and I shall return a little less ignorant on the issue.
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#119
Jan 3, 2013
 
They can have all my guns and especially ammo....62 grains at a time bitches!!!
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#120
Jan 4, 2013
 
Mr_Uaintuponthis wrote:
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Ok let me stop playing idiot.
I've already admitted that I don't know anything about guns, gun laws or gun shows. But I'm interested in the Gun Control issue so I always find the best way to research something is take the little knowledge you do have, talk to someone who knows what their talking about and annoy them with your ignorance on the issue. They almost almost always tell you most of what you need to know to start researching.
I know this sounds unbelievable, but I developed this from actual experience, trying to debate someone who knew what they were talking about and ended up learning more getting my butt handed to me. Then I research on what I've learned from debate.
Thank You for putting up with me and I shall return a little less ignorant on the issue.
May I suggest you go read the book "More Guns, Less Crime" by John Lott. He, like you, wanted to know the truth about gun-control issues and began a non-biased, objective research on the subject and wrote the book as a result.
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#121
Jan 8, 2013
 
guns do not kill people the person pulling the trigger does
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#122
Jan 8, 2013
 
I don't think people in the cities should be allowed to own guns, but people in the suburbs or countryside should. Let the people in the cities, like Charlotte, see what happens when only the criminals have guns in the city. It will be like Chicago, which is hell.
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#123
Jan 8, 2013
 
Guns don't kill people, BULLETS do!

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#124
Jan 9, 2013
 
My neighbors dog freaked out at 2:00 AM last night, so she called the police. They discovered that their garage door key pad was left in the open position. I got up this morning and made a similar discovery. I will be shopping for a gun now. I have always been a supporter of gun-rights, have never personally owned one. That day has finally come to an end.

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#125
Jan 10, 2013
 
Mr_Uaintuponthis wrote:
All I know is Canada got about as many guns as we have and they don't have anywhere near the gun violence we have. So I think we should look to Canada to see what they're doing right.
But I think a lot of Pro-Gun people go too far when they start talking about government trying to ban guns. NO ONE has ever said. The NRA attacks Obama on guns when Obama has barely touched the subject. I don't even remember the last time he even made a comment on Gun Control. So anyone using Obama in their argument please stop spreading that lie.
Now having said that, yes there should be SMART, REASONABLE procedures. And I think that's what people in general want. No one wants a Mad Man who just lost his job, high on some suicidal drug walking into Gun Shop getting the best Military grade gun they find. Now I don't know if we can get Military grade guns, but you guys understand what I'm saying. I'm all for guns. I'm not a fan of them myself, but I don't think they should banned. That's stupid. But making sure only responsible mentally stable Adults can acquire guns shouldn't be a debate.
PLease explain how you keep people from getting as gun.

Then explain how making a criminal break a law to get a gun keeps him from breaking other laws.

Then explain how making a normally legal activity (buying a gun) into something illegal helps.

How about we make it illegal to shoot other people unless you have a really really good reason.

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#126
Jan 10, 2013
 
http://news.yahoo.com/mom-shot-intruder-inspi...

A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.

Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.

The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.

"This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.

Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.

Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.

In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.

"Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.

His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.

"He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.

It wasn't clear from the recording exactly when they went to range and Donnie Herman told The Associated Press on Wednesday the family didn't want to talk about the shooting.

After Donnie Herman told his wife police were on the way, he started shouting: "She shot him. She's shootin' him. She's shootin' him. She's shootin' him. She's shootin' him."

"OK," the dispatcher responded.

"Shoot him again! Shoot him!" Donnie Herman yelled. He told the dispatcher he heard a lot of screaming, but he seems to get increasingly worried when he doesn't hear anything from his wife.

Melinda Herman told police she started shooting the man when he opened the door to the crawl space. The man pleaded with her to stop, but she kept firing until she had emptied her rounds, she told police. She then fled to a neighbor's house with her children.

The man drove away in his SUV. Police found the SUV on another subdivision street and discovered a man bleeding from his face and body in a nearby wooded area. Police identified the suspect as 32-year-old Paul Slater of Atlanta.

Chapman said the hospital asked him not to comment on Slater's condition, but he said he is not certain Slater will survive. Authorities have a warrant but haven't formally arrested Slater yet. They plan to charge him with burglary, possession of tools for the commission of a crime and aggravated assault, Walton County sheriff's Capt. Greg Hall said.

A phone number for Slater was not listed and it was not clear whether he has an attorney.

Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said.

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#127
Jan 10, 2013
 
Mr_Uaintuponthis wrote:
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Wow it's amazing what happens when you take a break from politics.
Ok he's doing something now, but during his first term the NRA and such were all up in arms spreading false lies saying he was trying to take people's guns. Never happened the first term. He may be trying to obtain power to control gun laws, but the NRA is little strong for that to happen. I don't think it's possible nor do I agree with it happening.
But what I mean by Gun Shows being successful is, a gun show isn't a gun show without the big guns. Imagine going to a gun show, and all they had were some basic shotguns, handguns, some rifles and some old guns. Not many people would go. But I know they have some Military weapons there, like Spas12's, AK's, M16, etc. Then you got new guns that come out. People come to see those guns. People would pay to just hold those guns, heck probably even test them out. Never been to a show, but I can't imagine a gun show being any fun if there isn't a firing range. Nobody wants to go to a show for guns they probably already got or look at at their local gun shop.
Sorry dude, you have little to no knowledge of what happens in gun shows.

Why do you think your ignorance is an opinion?

Let me know after you have gone to a couple of gun shows.
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#128
Jan 12, 2013
 
GunRights wrote:
I don't think people in the cities should be allowed to own guns, but people in the suburbs or countryside should.
Oh? Why are people in the city any less deserving of rights than those in the suburbs or countryside? Sounds like somethign a bigot would say.
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Let the people in the cities, like Charlotte, see what happens when only the criminals have guns in the city. It will be like Chicago, which is hell.
It's hell because Chicago lawmakers believe like you do.

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