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Really

Chambersburg, PA

#61 Aug 31, 2012
Law wrote:
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First, define "secure their guns".
Second, do you feel the same way about owners of automobiles, knives, flammables, rope, blun instrumets, etc. that are used by criminals to commit crimes?<quoted text>

Keepem in a safe, you really that stupid?

Same with you car?
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No!

Same as a knife? Ball bat?
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No!

Why? Are you confusing a right with a privilege?
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Your the confused one.

Why? What does that accomplish? What does a Notary know that everyone else doesn't?

Wow your thick headed!

<quoted text>That's fine. I keep one or two out because a 3AM intruder is not going to give me time to get to my safe.
Yeh the problem is that 3am intruder more often than not is a family member, ask the dipshit in St Thomas who is serving time for killing his wife.
Law

Papillion, NE

#62 Aug 31, 2012
Really wrote:
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Yeh the problem is that 3am intruder more often than not is a family member,
Got proof to back up your assertion?
Really wrote:
ask the dipshit in St Thomas who is serving time for killing his wife.
That's just one case.

Here's another.

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/portlan...

Portland, OR Homeowner Scares Off Burglar With Shotgun Blast While His Wife and Child Slept

A homeowner in Portland, OR wanted to avoid a confrontation with someone who broke into his home at all costs. When someone broke into his home late Tuesday night he had to act quickly.
Law

Papillion, NE

#63 Aug 31, 2012
And this..

http://monachuslex.com/...

Armed mother saves 2 year-old from kidnapper

Yesterday morning a Fresno California woman came face-to-face with every mother’s worst nightmare. Just after 8:30 in the morning, a man wearing a ski-mask invaded her home while she and her child were inside. But the horror doesn’t end there. The man was there with a goal. He wanted her 2 year-old daughter.
Law

Papillion, NE

#64 Aug 31, 2012
And this....

Savannah, GA Homeowner Shoots and Kills Suspected Home Invader

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/savanna...

According to Savannah-Chatham police, the occupant of a home in Savannah, GA confronted a late night intruder in their home. During the confrontation the occupant shot and killed the late night intruder.
Law

Papillion, NE

#65 Aug 31, 2012
And another intruder meets his maker.

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/vancouv...

According to the Clark County Sheriff’s Office, a homeowner awoke to a man forcing his way into the Vancouver, WA man’s bedroom early on Saturday morning.

Fortunately, the homeowner was armed and fired at the intruder, hitting and killing him.
Crazy

Chambersburg, PA

#66 Aug 31, 2012
Law wrote:
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Got proof to back up your assertion?
<quoted text>That's just one case.
Here's another.
http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/portlan...
Portland, OR Homeowner Scares Off Burglar With Shotgun Blast While His Wife and Child Slept
A homeowner in Portland, OR wanted to avoid a confrontation with someone who broke into his home at all costs. When someone broke into his home late Tuesday night he had to act quickly.
Yeh that's just one case. Must suck to live in fear!
Law

Papillion, NE

#67 Aug 31, 2012
Not to mention...

IL Homeowner Shoots 1 of 2 Intruders Using His .357 Magnum

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/il-home...

According to Rockdale Police, an IL homeowner, Gerrod Walker, woke up a little after midnight when he heard his burglar alarm going off. The homeowner determined that someone might be in his garage, armed himself with a flashlight and his .357 magnum revolver and went to investigate.
Law

Papillion, NE

#68 Aug 31, 2012
So you were saying?

MS Homeowner Fires Shots at Multiple Intruders

http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/ms-home...

A MS homeowner came home to find that at least 2 people had broken into his home. The would be thieves tried to flee when the homeowner arrived, but the homeowner quickly armed himself and fired at the suspects, ensuring they wouldn’t change their minds.

Police recovered several stolen weapons outside of the home, implying that the suspects were armed and potentially dangerous, even as they fled the scene.

Police were unable to locate any of the suspects at the scene, but they are currently interviewing potential suspects.

The homeowner was treated for minor injuries from broken glass at an area medical center.

Since: Mar 11

Gettysburg, PA

#69 Sep 1, 2012
Please excuse me, I have come to this debate a bit late.

I am a gun owner. I received my first firearm at the age of 10 for hunting small game. I received my first instruction on gun safety at my fathers knee. I helped him clean and care for his firearms long before I was ready for my own. At a very early age I learned safety and a great respect for these firearms and the damage they can do. When I received my first firearm I was required by my father to take a formal safety course offered by the NRA.

Over the years I have accumulated a very small collection of rifles, shotguns, and hand guns. When my father passed away, I inherited his small collection.

Every firearm I own has either a specific purpose or in some cases I just will not part with them for sentimental reasons. They are all locked in a gunsafe, with only me knowing the combination, and the combination is locked in my safety deposit box for disposal upon my death. This doesn’t give me much of an advantage for self protection though does it. Should someone break into my house, or threaten me or a member of my family I doubt I could get to the gunsafe, open it, load one of my firearms and turn it into a weapon before harm could be done to us.

I do also have a legal carry permit, that I seldom use, but will also admit I do at times exercise that right.

Neither of my children took a interest in hunting, but both were taught a respect for the firearms, and have handled them from time to time. Both are now adults with children, and they have no firearms in their homes, but both have ask me to introduce their children to the proper safety procedures. And both have stated that when I pass away they would like at least one of my firearms for sentimental reasons.

Firearms are not weapons, until they are used as such. Just as a baseball bat is an implement or tool for sports can also become a weapon by someone who wishes to use it as such.

None of my firearms has ever taken a human life, although over the years most have put food on my table.

Since: Mar 11

Gettysburg, PA

#70 Sep 1, 2012
Just a thought. Most of the crimes I have read about where criminals use firearms as weapons, they are using them against unarmed citizens. I just wonder if these same people would be so brave if they were faced with the fact that when they walk into that seven eleven, or fact food store that they may end up facing a few armed citizens?

I do have to agree with the poster who stated that they see no need for automatic or semi-automatic firearms for hunting. If you need that, maybe you should not be hunting.
Law

Papillion, NE

#71 Sep 1, 2012
11th Pennsylvania wrote:
Just a thought. Most of the crimes I have read about where criminals use firearms as weapons, they are using them against unarmed citizens. I just wonder if these same people would be so brave if they were faced with the fact that when they walk into that seven eleven, or fact food store that they may end up facing a few armed citizens?
I do have to agree with the poster who stated that they see no need for automatic or semi-automatic firearms for hunting. If you need that, maybe you should not be hunting.
Oh? So only black powder and bolt -action should be used? Aren't you a Fudd? You obviously know little about hunting.
Second, like the other poster, you give no reasons for being against full autos. You've simply swallowed what a pollutician has spoon fed you.

Since: Mar 11

Gettysburg, PA

#72 Sep 1, 2012
Law wrote:
<quoted text>Oh? So only black powder and bolt -action should be used? Aren't you a Fudd? You obviously know little about hunting.
Second, like the other poster, you give no reasons for being against full autos. You've simply swallowed what a pollutician has spoon fed you.
No, I think lever action, and pump should be allowed. I myself have never gotten into black power, either percussion cap or flint lock. Although it is, I will agree much more sporting than any kind of cartridge rifle, or shotgun.

My reason against full auto is my opinion that the only reason for full auto is as a military or law enforcement assault weapon. A full auto weapon in my opinion is just that, it is a weapon, not a firearm. I believe that the only reason for full auto is to take a life.

I believe when hunting, you should be able to at least put the animal down with the first shot. That will allow you to approach and finish it off with a second shot. A person who depends on an automatic weapon for hunting, in my opinion, is dangerous.
Law

Papillion, NE

#73 Sep 1, 2012
Crazy wrote:
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Yeh that's just one case. Must suck to live in fear!
One case? I presented more than one. It must suck to live in denial of what the FBI Uniform Crime Statistics say as well as data from the Dept. of Justice.
Law

Papillion, NE

#74 Sep 1, 2012
11th Pennsylvania wrote:
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No, I think lever action, and pump should be allowed. I myself have never gotten into black power, either percussion cap or flint lock. Although it is, I will agree much more sporting than any kind of cartridge rifle, or shotgun.
My reason against full auto is my opinion that the only reason for full auto is as a military or law enforcement assault weapon.
Why would law enforcement need the? Second, full auto is legal. How many crimes have you read about that have involved full auto? Why should those who live within the boundaries of the law be penalized based on your reasoning?
Where does the 2nd Amendment mention anything about full auto only for law enforcement and the military?
11th Pennsylvania wrote:
A full auto weapon in my opinion is just that, it is a weapon, not a firearm. I believe that the only reason for full auto is to take a life.
Really? So a handgun isn't a weapon? A shotgun isn't a weapon?
Why do they fall under the umbreall of weapons laws?
Do tell what is it in the design of a full auto that renders them only or taking lives but is lacking in other firearms.
And a link to an Operating Manual stating such would be nice to see.
11th Pennsylvania wrote:
I believe when hunting, you should be able to at least put the animal down with the first shot. That will allow you to approach and finish it off with a second shot. A person who depends on an automatic weapon for hunting, in my opinion, is dangerous.
Nice straw man argument. How many stories have you heard of people with autos that are hunting unless you feel semi-autos aren't necessary. Lots of Fudds feel like that. They also think the 2nd Amendment is about hunting.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#75 Sep 1, 2012
Law wrote:
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Really? Can you show a concrete example to back that claim up?
I've heard..|blah, blah, blah...|
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More guns than are "needed"? Who.|blah, blah, blah...|
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What's this "paranois" |FYI: that's not a word|
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Please elaborate. That's sounds like you either speak from experience or believe things polluticians |<-also not a word|
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Really? So criminals ca only function with a gun? Ever hear of the Black Market?|don't be racist, lol|
<quoted text> And yet alcohol has oversight by the same agency that oversees firearms. BATFE.|Capt. Obvious is here!|
<quoted text>Common sense regulation? So the over...|blah, blah, blah...|
Do you know of any law that ever prevented a criminal from engaging in that business?|what were we talking about again? Prostitutes?|
Interesting, seems someone from our gun-totin', gun-fuckin' flyover heartland has picked up on this discussion.

You do realize that my post was an opinion, right? I'll give you a few minutes to look that up. You can Google it. You're probably on Internet Explorer 6 or something since you live out in Nebraska, so you'll have to open a whole new window and type http://www.google.com to get there. Then there's a search box. You can just type "opinion" (with or without quotes) and it'll give you all kinds of info, probably even a concrete definition as the first result.

Or, maybe it'll direct you to a conservative, right-wing, gun-totin' website where people with opinions aren't provided with counter-opinions but basically a point-by-point "I-know-you-are-but-what- am-I" responses.

I'm sorry, maybe it's my fault. This Topix thing - all this time, I thought it was a forum for discussion. And, to be perfectly honest, answering your question would be like trying to prove evolution.

I do think you probably proved first hand that gun-owners in this country are paranoid as shit though.
Law

Papillion, NE

#76 Sep 1, 2012
Effington wrote:
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Interesting, seems someone from our gun-totin', gun-fuckin' flyover heartland has picked up on this discussion.
Interstng. A hanky-twisting bed wetter is chastising me for something that I posted in response to someone else. Guess the criminal anbler took exception to somethign I said.
Effington wrote:
You do realize that my post was an opinion, right?
I was respondign to someone called "Really". Or are you a Sock Puppet as well?
Effington wrote:
I'll give you a few minutes to look that up. You can Google it. You're probably on Internet Explorer 6 or something since you live out in Nebraska, so you'll have to open a whole new window and type http://www.google.com to get there.
Coming from Sandusky Country you're probably well versed on Google while searching for your kiddie porn.
Effington wrote:
Then there's a search box. You can just type "opinion" (with or without quotes) and it'll give you all kinds of info, probably even a concrete definition as the first result.
And where in the definition does it say that opinions are above reproach or scrutiny? Will you be posting that soon? Real soon?
Effington wrote:
Or, maybe it'll direct you to a conservative, right-wing, gun-totin' website where people with opinions aren't provided with counter-opinions but basically a point-by-point "I-know-you-are-but-what- am-I" responses.
Or it could direct me to a liberal, left-wing, liberty-hatin' website where people with opinions aren't provided with counter-opinions but basically a point-by-point collective soiling of pink thongs.
Effington wrote:
I'm sorry, maybe it's my fault. This Topix thing - all this time, I thought it was a forum for discussion. And, to be perfectly honest, answering your question would be like trying to prove evolution.
Right. Well, there is a definitive link between you and Darwin as I've no doubt you'll be a Darwin Award winner before it's all over.
Effington wrote:
I do think you probably proved first hand that gun-owners in this country are paranoid as shit though.
I think that you've proven that holophobes abhor rights and liberties being exercised by others. Frustrated control freaks like yourself are a hoot to watch self-immolate. Guess law enforcement, the military and woen who don't like to get raped are paranoid in your world.
Penn State Proud

Greencastle, PA

#77 Sep 2, 2012
Law wrote:
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Coming from Sandusky Country you're probably well versed on Google while searching for your kiddie porn.
Bold talk for a "Corn Husker(Holer)"
Law

Papillion, NE

#78 Sep 3, 2012
Penn State Proud wrote:
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Bold talk for a "Corn Husker(Holer)"
Said the State Penn Inmate. Taking showers with Jerry, are you?

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