Gay Marriage Debate - Woodbury, NJ

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Aug 4, 2010
 
I believe if you love someone and are dedicated to that person it does not matter if you are gay or not. Marriage should not be judged by what sex you were born as, since the hormones in the body were not developed to equal the sex of the body. I notice when gays enter a serious relationship it usually last through out their lives, unlike we heterosexuals. I personally do not support marriage, period, gay or heterosexual, I have found out twice you can not count on the other person loving you through the rest of your life (or even 1/4 of it).

I say it should not even be an issue. Stop the nonsense, let them live in peace and as everyone else does. Most of them are nicer than us heterosexuals. I know couples who are extremely dedicated to each and have been for many many years (How many heterosexual couples have since the 1970's?.
What will those of you do who are against it when one of your children or grandchildren announce one day they are gay, and eventually announce they want to wed their partner? It is very common.

I hope all gays can wed if that is what they want. We have no right to deny them. We are not better in any way.
Rex

Warren, VT

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#2
Aug 6, 2010
 
Equality is an american foundation...period!
NoHighPlaces

Willingboro, NJ

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Aug 16, 2010
 
My reasons for opposing it are as follows..

1.It would weaken the definition and respect for the institution of marriage. The 50 percent divorce rate has already weakened the definition of marriage. We shouldn't be taking further steps to define what marriage is. A law allowing gay marriage would increase the number of joke or non-serious marriages, such as a couple of friends who want to save on taxes. Marriage is the most sacred institution in this country, and every society considers it the joining of a man and a woman. It makes biological sense since only a man and woman can pro-create.

2.It would further weaken the traditional family values essential to our society. The building blocks of our society and the thing that makes it strong is the traditional family of man, woman, and children. It is what has sustained us through two world wars, a great depression, and numerous other challenges over the centuries. While friends & lovers come and go, your family is always there. The main reason our culture and values have started to crumble is the weakening of families. Introducing another form of "family" would only make the situation worse.

3.It could provide a slippery slope in the legality of marriage (e.g. having multiple wives or marrying an object could be next). Gay rights activists claim that these marriages should be allowed because it doesn't hurt anyone, but it could start a chain reaction that destroys the whole idea of marriage. If someone wants to marry his dog, why shouldn't he be able to? What if someone wants to marry their brother or parent? What if someone wants to marry their blow-up doll or have 10 wives? Unless we develop some firm definition of what a marriage is, the options are endless. If these options sound absurd, remember that all it takes is a few activist judges to use the statute to open the door. It doesn't matter if 95 percent of the population disagrees with the policy, one judge can interpret the case the way he or she wants and use the doctrine of stare decisis to impose a law on everyone. Do you remember how two judges in California recently declared the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional? If the decision hadn't been overturned, it would have prevented millions of children from being able to say the pledge every morning, despite the fact that 95+ percent of Americans disagreed with the decision.

4.The gay lifestyle is not something to be encouraged, as a lot of research shows it leads to a much lower life expectancy, psychological disorders, and other problems. Studies show that homosexuals, for a variety of reasons, have life expectancies of approximately 20 years less than the general population. Just like a lifestyle of smoking, drinking, etc., unhealthy lifestyles should be discouraged

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Aug 28, 2010
 
People should be able to marry whomever they want, What does anyone else have to do with what ppl do in thier own bedroom
D

Woodbury, NJ

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#5
Jan 17, 2012
 
Your sexual preference has nothing to do with your rights as a human being.
Kevin Madison

Woodbury, NJ

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Jan 17, 2012
 
There is supposed to be a separation between church and state, a belief that this country was founded on. Marriage is an institution with benefits given by the state, not the church. There is absolutely no argument. Gay marriage is a state institution, not a religious one, thus the government has no right to intervene based on religious precepts. Perhaps it used to be an institution based on religion alone, but not anymore. Either you completely take away the state rights involved in marriage and make it a solely religious institution, or you just let people marry who they want to with all of the state rights. I'm not sure how it is actually possible to argue one way or the other, since what I have stated is a simple, widely known fact. Not to mention how separate but equal stuff (referring to the way it was used against blacks) got revoked quite a while ago. It wasn't right to use against black people, and it isn't right to use against gay people.
Kizzayla

Woodbury, NJ

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Jan 17, 2012
 
1. People already marry to save on taxes. Not all straight people are interested in having children. Not all straight people CAN have children. Many are infertile due to disorders or other physical problems. Gay people can still have children through the use of a surrogate or sperm donor, and we have many orphanages full of children who need loving parents. The purpose of marriage is not to procreate. Claiming that only couples with children should be valued is ignorant, nonsensical and hurtful to people who cannot or do not want to have children.
2. We did not win World War 2 by having strong family values. No war has been won based on the country's values. A functional household does NOT require a man, woman, and children. There are single, separated, and unmarried parents whose children turn out perfectly fine.
3. Marriage should be defined as a union of two adults that love each other regardless of sex as sex is a spectrum and is not limited to two options. No one in their right mind is going to marry a dog.
4. There is NO scientific evidence for this statement. This is completely false. Being gay has no affect on your lifespan.

Your argument is invalid.
NoHighPlaces wrote:
My reasons for opposing it are as follows..
1.It would weaken the definition and respect for the institution of marriage. The 50 percent divorce rate has already weakened the definition of marriage. We shouldn't be taking further steps to define what marriage is. A law allowing gay marriage would increase the number of joke or non-serious marriages, such as a couple of friends who want to save on taxes. Marriage is the most sacred institution in this country, and every society considers it the joining of a man and a woman. It makes biological sense since only a man and woman can pro-create.
2.It would further weaken the traditional family values essential to our society. The building blocks of our society and the thing that makes it strong is the traditional family of man, woman, and children. It is what has sustained us through two world wars, a great depression, and numerous other challenges over the centuries. While friends & lovers come and go, your family is always there. The main reason our culture and values have started to crumble is the weakening of families. Introducing another form of "family" would only make the situation worse.
3.It could provide a slippery slope in the legality of marriage (e.g. having multiple wives or marrying an object could be next). Gay rights activists claim that these marriages should be allowed because it doesn't hurt anyone, but it could start a chain reaction that destroys the whole idea of marriage. If someone wants to marry his dog, why shouldn't he be able to? What if someone wants to marry their brother or parent? What if someone wants to marry their blow-up doll or have 10 wives? Unless we develop some firm definition of what a marriage is, the options are endless. If these options sound absurd, remember that all it takes is a few activist judges to use the statute to open the door. It doesn't matter if 95 percent of the population disagrees with the policy, one judge can interpret the case the way he or she wants and use the doctrine of stare decisis to impose a law on everyone. Do you remember how two judges in California recently declared the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional? If the decision hadn't been overturned, it would have prevented millions of children from being able to say the pledge every morning, despite the fact that 95+ percent of Americans disagreed with the decision.
4.The gay lifestyle is not something to be encouraged, as a lot of research shows it leads to a much lower life expectancy, psychological disorders, and other problems. Studies show that homosexuals, for a variety of reasons, have life expectancies of approximately 20 years less than the general population. Just like a lifestyle of smoking, drinking, etc., unhealthy lifestyles should be discouraged
bri

Woodbury, NJ

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#8
Jan 17, 2012
 
It is done of our business who consenting adults marry, God loves everyone equally
bri

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#9
Jan 17, 2012
 
*none our business*
Brian

Sewell, NJ

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#10
Jan 17, 2012
 
It doesn't make any sense to be against. How does it affect anyone other than the people getting married? It doesn't. People need to learn to mind their own business and focus on their life.
Emily

Canyon, TX

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Jan 17, 2012
 
NoHighPlaces wrote:
My reasons for opposing it are as follows..
1.It would weaken the definition and respect for the institution of marriage. The 50 percent divorce rate has already weakened the definition of marriage. We shouldn't be taking further steps to define what marriage is. A law allowing gay marriage would increase the number of joke or non-serious marriages, such as a couple of friends who want to save on taxes. Marriage is the most sacred institution in this country, and every society considers it the joining of a man and a woman. It makes biological sense since only a man and woman can pro-create.
2.It would further weaken the traditional family values essential to our society. The building blocks of our society and the thing that makes it strong is the traditional family of man, woman, and children. It is what has sustained us through two world wars, a great depression, and numerous other challenges over the centuries. While friends & lovers come and go, your family is always there. The main reason our culture and values have started to crumble is the weakening of families. Introducing another form of "family" would only make the situation worse.
3.It could provide a slippery slope in the legality of marriage (e.g. having multiple wives or marrying an object could be next). Gay rights activists claim that these marriages should be allowed because it doesn't hurt anyone, but it could start a chain reaction that destroys the whole idea of marriage. If someone wants to marry his dog, why shouldn't he be able to? What if someone wants to marry their brother or parent? What if someone wants to marry their blow-up doll or have 10 wives? Unless we develop some firm definition of what a marriage is, the options are endless. If these options sound absurd, remember that all it takes is a few activist judges to use the statute to open the door. It doesn't matter if 95 percent of the population disagrees with the policy, one judge can interpret the case the way he or she wants and use the doctrine of stare decisis to impose a law on everyone. Do you remember how two judges in California recently declared the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional? If the decision hadn't been overturned, it would have prevented millions of children from being able to say the pledge every morning, despite the fact that 95+ percent of Americans disagreed with the decision.
4.The gay lifestyle is not something to be encouraged, as a lot of research shows it leads to a much lower life expectancy, psychological disorders, and other problems. Studies show that homosexuals, for a variety of reasons, have life expectancies of approximately 20 years less than the general population. Just like a lifestyle of smoking, drinking, etc., unhealthy lifestyles should be discouraged
Oh boy, where to begin. To start, mind linking the research studies that tell you these things about homosexuality being an 'unhealthy lifestyle'? If you're gonna say it, you'd better be able to prove it.
Secondly, people probably marry to save on taxes anyway. I really doubt it's gonna explode those stats just because gay marriage is legalized.
Third, gay marriage doesn't mean the end of sanity; people won't marry their dogs/toasters, incest is illegal as far as I know, and polygamy is definitely illegal, though have fun telling that to some people.
Lastly, though there's other things I could address as well, go ask a lesbian mother how much she loves her children, ask her children how much they love their parents, ask a gay father how much he cares for his family. Being homosexual doesn't mean your family will fall apart at the seams after a week, anymore than being straight means your marriage will last forever. What does homosexuality do to ruin family values anyway? From my view, being homosexual doesn't change anything.
Love is love. Discriminating just because one human loves another who happens to be the same gender is wrong.
Common Sense

Woodbury, NJ

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#12
Jan 18, 2012
 
Because, much like Civil Rights, it's inevitable. All of the old people who oppose it should wise up and see that they are just another minority that it is going to be freed from governmental bondage. Bible Smchible. Love is love, and real Christians support that.
Ashley

Woodbury, NJ

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#13
Jan 18, 2012
 
Forbidding someone from making a comment as strong as marriage based solely on their orientation is no different than turning someone away based on their race or religion. Everyone deserves this right.
Chelsea

Bridgeton, NJ

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#14
Jan 19, 2012
 
This is a reply to #3 submitted by NoHighPlaces of Woodbury, NJ.

None of your 'reasons' are proven facts, but opinions.
1) I respect people who get married because they love each other. It is not a joke for two homosexuals to get married. Love is not a joke. And Marriage is not based on procreation.
2) Family values are instilled by people with values. To provide for your family, to work hard, to love. Do you think gays are incapable of values and morals? And i see no connection between heterosexual families and our country surviving through struggles. Members of our government have been gay since the establishment of this nation. GAYS helped get us through everything too. They're still people, not some void beings without knowledge or thoughts.
3) The only reason polygamy isn't legal is because the financial aspect of it is too complex for taxes. Otherwise, there is nothing wrong with it. Just because your beliefs differ does not make it evil. And a man and a dog isn't legal because THAT is unnatural. It is a one way love and cannot be mutual. For marrying relatives, it's illegal due to the genetics of it. It increases risk of child disabilities.
4) Please, point me to said research that is not bias. Being gay cannot be compared to any toxic substance. And the main cause of all the anxiety and depression in homosexuals is homophobic who harass them with pseudo facts like the ones you have listed. It makes them feel inadequate, unacceptable and disgusting. Like the way an anorexic feels due to societies pressure to be "perfect".

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