Gay Marriage Debate - Waco, TX

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Linda

Waco, TX

#1 Aug 8, 2010
Marriage has always been 1 man 1 woman (Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve) how could a society reprocreate if 2 persons of the same sex could not create life. It has been like that in most all other living organism. Excepts some humans think they know more than millions on years of existence and nature. I think this society we live in has distorted views of what is acceptable and normal.
Salt

Albany, GA

#2 Aug 8, 2010
Linda I dont know you from adams housecat but preach on sister! Your exactly right the moral decay of our society is terrible. People buy into what the mainstream puts out instead of sticking to their own beliefs.
JimD

Cottekill, NY

#3 Aug 9, 2010
Linda For all those millions of years, there has been of small minority of people who are gay, just like a small minority are lefthanded. Its a natural variation, which scientists have observed in thousands of animal species as well as humans.

Plenty of married couples can't have children - due to age, infertility, war injuries - we don't ban them from marrying.

Dislike and oppression of gays in our society originates purely from a religious basis, and our constitution prohibits enacting laws based only on religious belief. Specifically, the ban on gay marriage violates our Constitution, which any objective person can easily see.
John

Wilmington, NC

#4 Aug 18, 2010
That prohibiting gay marriage violates the Constitution is pure baloney "which any objective person can easily see". I invite JimD to read private correspondence between our Founding Fathers before alleging they envisioned that religious convictions should not play a part in determining acceptable forms of public behavior, both in and out of government. That the courts of late have disregarded the rightful place of religious beliefs in our corporate life does not change the fact that such beliefs have had and should continue to have a leavening affect on our postmodern society that denies the existence of objective truth.

No one should dislike or oppress gays and lesbians; that should go without saying. I don't know whether same-sex attraction is a learned behavior or genetic; but I cannot condone a lifestyle which God clearly tells us he doesn't like and I can only resist any attempt to place such a relationship on an equal footing with marriage between a man and a woman.
CL Banks

Jonesboro, GA

#5 Aug 20, 2010
Gay marriage is an imposition on the fundamental rights of other citizens.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#6 Aug 20, 2010
John wrote:
That prohibiting gay marriage violates the Constitution is pure baloney "which any objective person can easily see". I invite JimD to read private correspondence between our Founding Fathers before alleging they envisioned that religious convictions should not play a part in determining acceptable forms of public behavior, both in and out of government. That the courts of late have disregarded the rightful place of religious beliefs in our corporate life does not change the fact that such beliefs have had and should continue to have a leavening affect on our postmodern society that denies the existence of objective truth.
No one should dislike or oppress gays and lesbians; that should go without saying. I don't know whether same-sex attraction is a learned behavior or genetic; but I cannot condone a lifestyle which God clearly tells us he doesn't like and I can only resist any attempt to place such a relationship on an equal footing with marriage between a man and a woman.
perhaps it would be helpful for you to read the judge's findings based on what was presented in court and why prop 8 is unconstitutional. maybe he can explain it more succinctly than anyone else here.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/35374462/California...

perhaps you might need some explanation. here's some analysis :

http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/08/04/wolf.pr...
http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/08/17/bloom.p...
Dan

Houston, TX

#7 Aug 21, 2010
The issue is one of human rights. Love is love, and it's hard to find anywhere. To find true love is a wonderful blessing.
Alfred Kinsey

United States

#8 Aug 21, 2010
Both of Kinsey’s most recent admiring biographers confessed he was a sadistic bi/homosexual who seduced his male students and coerced his wife, his staff, and the staff’s wives to perform for and with him in illegal pornographic films made in the family attic. Kinsey and his mates, Wardell Pomeroy, Clyde Martin, and Paul Gebhard, had "front" marriages, which concealed their strategies to supplant what they saw as a narrow procreational Judeo Christian era with a promiscuous "anything goes" bi/gay pedophile paradise. We now know Kinsey, for example, "was deeply influenced by five pedophile headmasters who were quite clear they had very warm relationships with young adolescent boys of twelve or thirteen" in one New England area. An early adherent and advocate of masturbation, Kinsey suffered an untimely death due, at least in part, to "orchitis," a lethal infection in his testicles that followed years of sadistic, orgiastic "self-abuse." Kinsey’s obsessive, brutally masochistic masturbation methods appear to have assisted in his early demise. Kinsey solicited and encouraged pedophiles, at home and abroad, to sexually violate from 317 to 2035 infants and children for his alleged data on normal "child sexuality." Many of the crimes against children (oral and anal sodomy, genital intercourse and manual abuse) committed for Kinsey’s research are quantified in his own graphs and charts
.......Kinsey’s closet team 1) "forced" subjects to give the desired answers to their sex questions, 2) secretly trashed three quarters of their research data, and 3) based their claims about normal males on a roughly eighty-six percent aberrant male population including 200 sexual psychopaths, 1400 sex offenders and hundreds each of prisoners, male prostitutes, and promiscuous homosexuals. Moreover, so few normal women would talk to them that the Kinsey team labeled women who lived over a year with a man "married," reclassifying data on prostitutes and other unconventional women as "Susie Homemaker." Crafting Gay Children by Dr. Judith Reisman

That's what the homosexual agenda is all about. If you wonder where the APA get's it's information from all you have to do is research alfred kinsey a bit.

Since: May 08

Beggs, OK

#9 Aug 21, 2010
Alfred Kinsey wrote:
Both of Kinsey’s most recent admiring biographers confessed he was a sadistic bi/homosexual who seduced his male students and coerced his wife, his staff, and the staff’s wives to perform for and with him in illegal pornographic films made in the family attic. Kinsey and his mates, Wardell Pomeroy, Clyde Martin, and Paul Gebhard, had "front" marriages, which concealed their strategies to supplant what they saw as a narrow procreational Judeo Christian era with a promiscuous "anything goes" bi/gay pedophile paradise. We now know Kinsey, for example, "was deeply influenced by five pedophile headmasters who were quite clear they had very warm relationships with young adolescent boys of twelve or thirteen" in one New England area. An early adherent and advocate of masturbation, Kinsey suffered an untimely death due, at least in part, to "orchitis," a lethal infection in his testicles that followed years of sadistic, orgiastic "self-abuse." Kinsey’s obsessive, brutally masochistic masturbation methods appear to have assisted in his early demise. Kinsey solicited and encouraged pedophiles, at home and abroad, to sexually violate from 317 to 2035 infants and children for his alleged data on normal "child sexuality." Many of the crimes against children (oral and anal sodomy, genital intercourse and manual abuse) committed for Kinsey’s research are quantified in his own graphs and charts
.......Kinsey’s closet team 1) "forced" subjects to give the desired answers to their sex questions, 2) secretly trashed three quarters of their research data, and 3) based their claims about normal males on a roughly eighty-six percent aberrant male population including 200 sexual psychopaths, 1400 sex offenders and hundreds each of prisoners, male prostitutes, and promiscuous homosexuals. Moreover, so few normal women would talk to them that the Kinsey team labeled women who lived over a year with a man "married," reclassifying data on prostitutes and other unconventional women as "Susie Homemaker." Crafting Gay Children by Dr. Judith Reisman
That's what the homosexual agenda is all about. If you wonder where the APA get's it's information from all you have to do is research alfred kinsey a bit.
Wrong, IDIOT, the APA does not agree with any of that and long ago distanced themselves from Kinsey's work and never embraced it because of the methods and because of the flaws.

http://www.apa.org/pi/families/resources/chil ...

http://www.apa.org/pubs/info/brochures/sex-ab ...

http://www.apa.org/pubs/books/4317016.aspx

http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/features/law ...

http://www.apa.org/about/governance/council/p ...

PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE HYSTERICAL BLITHERING IDIOTS WHO HAVE NO RESPECT FOR SCIENCE, MEDICINE, MENTAL HEALTH OR EVEN BASIC COMMON SENSE.

HERE'S THE TYPE OF HARM THAT LEADS TO:

www.stopbaptistpredators.org

www.republicansexoffenders.com

www.gayhusbands.com

www.mormonabuse.com

NO ONE'S FALLING FOR YOUR FEAR-MONGERING BS.
Alfred Kinsey

United States

#10 Aug 21, 2010
In 1994, the APA drastically modified its criteria for diagnosing pedophilia as a mental illness in the new Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV-TR). The earlier version, DSM-III-R, stated that simply acting on sexual desire for children was adequate to diagnose pedophilia. In the current version, the - http://psychservices.psychiatryonline.org/cgi... - APA changed its criteria so a child-molester is considered to have a psychiatric disorder only if his pedophilic actions "caused clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of functioning." Simply having sex with children no longer makes someone a pedophile, as long as it doesn't cause the adult "significant distress or impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of function."
In 1998, the APA review publication Psychological Bulletin published an article by three university academics agreeing that some children find sexual experiences with adults "positive." The article also said boys respond more positively than girls to sexual encounters with adults. It concludes that man-boy "consensual" sexual relationships were often not harmful and sometimes even positive for victims. The authors cite Alfred Kinsey's 1948 work, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, as a guide for their "child-abuse disguised as science" study.(Psychological Bulletin, Vol. 124, No. 1, pp. 22)

Your bogus claims will never discredit the TRUTH.
Donna

Woodway, TX

#11 Aug 21, 2010
I don't believe in it myself but I'm not going to tell other people how to live, if they feel it's okay, then whatever.
Anonymous

Odessa, TX

#14 Sep 29, 2010
Salt wrote:
Linda I dont know you from adams housecat but preach on sister! Your exactly right the moral decay of our society is terrible. People buy into what the mainstream puts out instead of sticking to their own beliefs.
I hate to tell you this, but where did you obtain your beliefs from? Hmm...could it be the mainstream that you subscribed to? Everyone is swayed by those around them unless they actively seek knowledge and search for their own opinions. You spund like an old bigoted woman. Not trying to be crude or offend, but you do simple and plain. You ma'am are the moral decay of our society. You seek to join everyone else's life to YOUR religious beliefs. You are a close minded poor unenlightened soul, but its ok, keep your blinders on. No one will mind.

Gay marriage is bad for small economic circles, which I won't explain because it would take way too long, but if your curious, go to a library and research it.

Gay marriage is good because marriage is a symbol of love, and love is "patient" "kind" etc. etc. andif two people want to express their love for one another, why not, they are not hurting you, look away.

And last but not least, Gay sexual relations have been a predominant part of human societies for many many years, there are mentions of it in some of the earliest spoken traditions and the earliest recorded histories. Sex functions not primarily for reporduction, scientific studies conducted in recent years suggest sex is also a way human species ( like some but not all animals) respond and identifiy with their environment and a way of ensuring social unity (by breaking up fights, calming anger etc.) Gay relations were a way bridging or joining two tribes or groups, their male leaders would engage in these acts as a sybol of kinship and unity.

In short, gay relations have been around for perhaps all time, in all societies in cluding ours. Ignoring them, belittling them, etc. is not going to make them go away.
Our laws governing taxes, properties left by the deceased etc have not been around forever, and that is reall all there is to be gained in traditional marriage. So whats so wrong with formally acknowledging these gay lovers as man and man?
GIGI

Arlington, TX

#15 Sep 29, 2010
People are people , doesn't matter if it's same sex. If their not hurting anyone, who should reject any type love ? Gays should have rights, hell they pay taxes just like everyone else.
Leo

Long Beach, CA

#16 Sep 30, 2010
Because I am gay and who has the right to say I can not marry the person I love?
Lisa Brady

Copperas Cove, TX

#17 Oct 4, 2010
I believe the bible and the way God intends for marriage man and lady. That is how He created it to be.

Since: May 08

Beggs, OK

#18 Oct 4, 2010
Lisa Brady wrote:
I believe the bible and the way God intends for marriage man and lady. That is how He created it to be.
You believe a book that says things like this came from God?

Exodus 21:20 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property."
Johnny

United States

#19 Oct 14, 2010
I've been unhappily married and after the experience, cannot imagine denying someone the opportunity to express their love for another person, regardless of gender. It may not appeal to many of you, as evidenced by the comments, but if a person can establish a loving, caring, respectful relationship, gender doesn't matter. People are who they are, they have attractions that we cannot explain, and it seems fundamentally unfair to deny anyone a chance at happiness.
Salt

Albany, GA

#20 Nov 10, 2010
Try and think about it this way, being Gay isnt ok with nature cause any creature thats turns Gay will not survive past 1 generation. If ya'll wont believe in GOD saying its wrong I think nature surely proves it's point!
Salt

Albany, GA

#21 Nov 10, 2010
see my post below:)
Science not Media Hype wrote:
<quoted text>
I hate to tell you this, but where did you obtain your beliefs from? Hmm...could it be the mainstream that you subscribed to? Everyone is swayed by those around them unless they actively seek knowledge and search for their own opinions. You spund like an old bigoted woman. Not trying to be crude or offend, but you do simple and plain. You ma'am are the moral decay of our society. You seek to join everyone else's life to YOUR religious beliefs. You are a close minded poor unenlightened soul, but its ok, keep your blinders on. No one will mind.
Gay marriage is bad for small economic circles, which I won't explain because it would take way too long, but if your curious, go to a library and research it.
Gay marriage is good because marriage is a symbol of love, and love is "patient" "kind" etc. etc. andif two people want to express their love for one another, why not, they are not hurting you, look away.
And last but not least, Gay sexual relations have been a predominant part of human societies for many many years, there are mentions of it in some of the earliest spoken traditions and the earliest recorded histories. Sex functions not primarily for reporduction, scientific studies conducted in recent years suggest sex is also a way human species ( like some but not all animals) respond and identifiy with their environment and a way of ensuring social unity (by breaking up fights, calming anger etc.) Gay relations were a way bridging or joining two tribes or groups, their male leaders would engage in these acts as a sybol of kinship and unity.
In short, gay relations have been around for perhaps all time, in all societies in cluding ours. Ignoring them, belittling them, etc. is not going to make them go away.
Our laws governing taxes, properties left by the deceased etc have not been around forever, and that is reall all there is to be gained in traditional marriage. So whats so wrong with formally acknowledging these gay lovers as man and man?
Will

Woodway, TX

#23 Jan 17, 2012
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

Opposition to equal marriage rights goes against the founding principles of our nation.

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