Gay Marriage Debate - Sulphur, LA

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Heather

Lake Charles, LA

#1 Jan 6, 2011
HUMANS SHOULD MARRY WHO THEY WANT TO MARRY
Margaret Williamson

Mooresville, NC

#2 Jan 11, 2011
Marriage should be between a man and a woman.
trc

Ville Platte, LA

#3 Mar 9, 2011
It is against the word of GOD.
Read your bible.
Ted Clark

Ville Platte, LA

#4 Mar 9, 2011
It is a sick, sick situation.
God created Adam & Eve,
not Adam & Steve.
Deviating from a behavioral or scoial norm; an unnatural attachment.
In violation of natural feelings; INHUMAN
**** THIS IS VERY UNNATURAL ****
Sarah

San Jose, CA

#5 Mar 15, 2011
But we live in a Civil Society, and thankfully NOT a theocracy. Consenting adults can do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt each other or others. And we can choose not to believe I'm any of the gods or religions and we'll be fine. And so will you. I think you'd be better off trying to end adultery and premarital sex--far more people--even devoutly religious ones--do this than there are gay men and women in the world. But them you're stuck with legislating morality, which is akin to Sharia law. Do you want that? I don't.

And where does anyone get off calling god (any of them) a "creator of mistakes?"
ttcc

Ville Platte, LA

#6 Mar 18, 2011
If you would read your bible, didn't GOD create everyone equal? He did give you choices, right? How can Someone (GOD)the creator make mistakes?
That un-natural spirit is of the devil, not Got||
Amy

Natchitoches, LA

#7 Mar 19, 2011
Hey, guys, try not being disgusting bigots. If you don't believe in gay marriage, don't get gay married. Stop pushing your beliefs on other people and let them live their lives. Gay people deserve happiness too.
DeeCee

Lake Charles, LA

#8 Mar 20, 2011
Sarah wrote:
But we live in a Civil Society, and thankfully NOT a theocracy. Consenting adults can do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt each other or others. And we can choose not to believe I'm any of the gods or religions and we'll be fine. And so will you. I think you'd be better off trying to end adultery and premarital sex--far more people--even devoutly religious ones--do this than there are gay men and women in the world. But them you're stuck with legislating morality, which is akin to Sharia law. Do you want that? I don't.
And where does anyone get off calling god (any of them) a "creator of mistakes?"
I couldn't have said it better myself. Why is it that some people think everyone should adhere to their particular god and their religion when there are many gods/religions, and sacred texts, in the world not just the Judeo-Christian deity/religion and the Bible.
Bill

Raleigh, NC

#9 Mar 25, 2011
God did create everyone as equal but he also set down guidelines for living. There are many Thou Shalt and Thou Shalt Nots that must be followed. Same sex marriages are unnatural. If it were the norm, it would result in extinction. That gives no one the right to "judge" them though.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#10 Mar 28, 2011
no one's telling anyone to think feel or believe differently than they do.

the issues are about public, secular laws that we all must live by as american citizens, not about biblical laws or any theological take on what people think that book says.
LOL

Richardson, TX

#11 Mar 28, 2011
Being gay should not exempt anyone from experiencing a miserable marriage like anyone else.
Sarah

Mill Valley, CA

#12 Mar 30, 2011
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the same "bible" in which god commands his people not to sleep with a women when she's having her period, or touching any animal or bird that moves along the ground? Since when are Christians required to do that?

We're under a new covenant since jesus freakin' christ, and the old law is gone. Show me a verse in which jesus condemns homosexuality, and you'll have a solid argument.

The "bible" was written by MEN, hundreds of years after christ kicked the bucket, and has been tweaked, edited, and changed to suit political and social moors of whoever was in charge of the translation. That just happens to be an irrefutable fact.

Premarital sex, adultery, and divorce are a FAR bigger problem than any problems gay marriage will ever be. And since pedophiles are overwhelmingly heterosexual, and over 60% profess to be "christian," may I suggest you tackle these problems first?

I'm glad I live in America, where we are free from religious rule of any kind. Any attempt to do so is a step towards a theocracy--and NO one wants that.

Oh, and it's time to tax church owned businesses and land holdings, if not the churches themselves.
Melanie

Lake Charles, LA

#13 Apr 20, 2011
I believe that God is the Author of the sacred institution called Marriage. He gave us the marriage model in Genesis 2:22. Any other so called marriages, besides one man and one woman to each other, is none other than an abomination in the Eyes of God (Romans 1:24-28).
Melanie

Lake Charles, LA

#14 Apr 20, 2011
And by the way, I totally get what you are saying about times being different and all. So go ahead and live life the way you choose to rather than the way your maker has required of you. When it's all said and done we WILL all stand before Him and take an account for our lives...good or bad. You will answer to Him for you and none other! He truly is a God of love and grace, but also judgement! If homosexuality is fine with God then why destroy whole cities over it? Sin is sin. The Lord hates sin but, loves people. After all He created all of us! Who are we to say we know better than HE!
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#15 Apr 20, 2011
Melanie wrote:
I believe that God is the Author of the sacred institution called Marriage. He gave us the marriage model in Genesis 2:22. Any other so called marriages, besides one man and one woman to each other, is none other than an abomination in the Eyes of God (Romans 1:24-28).
marriage has been around far longer than christianity. it has been used as a tool to build kingdoms, build wealth, create peace amongst nations, and to just get rid of a daughter so the father doesn't have to take care of her any longer. that's why there were dowries - bribes, basically, for a man to choose one girl over another.
again, folks, the issues deal with public, secular laws. they do not deal with biblical laws or anything you think, feel or believe. the issues deal with inheretence, property rights, pensinos, end of life decisions and the list goes on - the GAO listed about 1100 privileges that are extended to legally married couples that homosexuals do no have acces to. yet, the constitution assures us all equal & fair treatment under the law and due process.
when you want to talk about those laws and inequity created, then there can be a discussion. if your only excuse is what you read in one book, a book that not everyone is required to believe in, or even required to read the same translation, then you've nothing left to stand on legalistically.
you take on the bible is an absolute. But it's not an absolute (except to yourself), it's a religious conviction. And religious convictions have no place in law. Because there will always be people with different religions that have different opinions. Legislating opinions on how people should act, outside of what I call common courtesy laws and the 'not hurting others' aspect, is something that should always be carefully considered because of fundamental human rights. Repeat, marriage is a human rights issue. Do you feel that there are multiple classes of people who should have different human rights based on their beliefs? Because, like it or not, that's what this issue is really about. Human rights, not moral absolutes or religious convictions.
Melanie

United States

#16 Apr 21, 2011
So you feel that Marriage is a "Human Rights" issue. I agree with you on the fact that humans have the right to choose whether they marry or not - that's the rights they have concerning marriage.

Choosing to marry the same sex isn't a right...it's a choice and it's unnatural.

Let's say that for the sake of this conversation that Biblical convictions truly have no place in the laws of our land. Go with me for a moment here please...Let's look at it from this angle...if the whole world chose to marry a partner of the same sex....the world as we know it would end, there would be no more generations to carry on our legacy. Therefore from a common sense opinion...it is unnatural.

Now you and I both know that the senario above would never happen because too many people believe in one man/one woman marriage covenant.

So how about this...since GOD, not MAN, is the one who created and ordained the covenant called marriage, and the law says BIBLICAL CONVICTIONS have no place in the law...then just remove 'marriage' completely from any same sex-partner relationships and that should resolve their issue. It's sad how people want to call their sins HUMAN RIGHTS and then force God's name on it. I don't agree with same sex marriages. To me it's an oxymoron.

And on an even more sad note...I hear things like I don't believe in God or my religion is different then your religion. I am not a religion and I don't serve a religion. I am a normal human being that chooses to live by the Inspired Word of Jesus Christ. So why would any human being that doesn't believe in God or want anything to do with the Word of God want to adopt something God himself created and ordained, like a covenant or marriage.

I would never get in anyone's way when it comes to how they choose to live their life. Earlier you made the comment about common courtesy laws and 'not hurting others' aspect...know this... everything you do affects somebody. Everything!

I have often heard people say it's my life and what I do is my business and I'm not hurting anyone. Well I can guarantee you this...someone is watching and someone is being affected by your decisions.

Like I said earlier....ONE DAY WE WILL ALL be held accountable to our maker for our choices!
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#17 Apr 21, 2011
again, and let me make this as abundantly clear as i can : THE ISSUES ARE ABOUT SECULAR LAWS AND NOT BIBLICAL LAWS.
Got that? is that sinking in? no one cares what you want to believe. that cannot be dictated to you - unlike the efforts of the evangelical right that continually attempts to ramrod their beliefs into laws despite the counter push from those that don't believe exactly as they.
and yes, homosexual activity is normal to those that are homosexual. just as heterosexual activity is completely natural to those that are heterosexual. you expect someone to act against their basic insticts - let's put the shoe on the other foot....what if you were expected to give up your heterosexual desires and attractions? they just won't go away because they're an intrinsic part of you - unmutable, unchangable and innate.
there is no expectation of the entire heterosexual populace giving up their preference of partners....so your assumption or questions in that regards just don't apply. you can't dictate legalistically speaking a sexual desire - other than to protect children from adult predators and people from being raped (although many pschycologists agree that those acts are not from a sexual desire - they're from a desire to control someone, to have power over them....and we all know that's just not right in any way shape or form). furthermore, if homosexual marriage is allowed, is there in fact any reason for heterosexuals to give up their marriages? their choice of partners? will any straight person decide to give up sex entirely because their gay neighbor can now marry? get a little more realistic.
now, let's go into this "choice" thing you keep harping on....given that we're all humans, we all develop similarly. our organs are the same, our body chemistry is pretty much the same, etc etc etc. so we mature at about the same rates...we probably start noticing what we're attracted to around the same ages. i'm thinking that we're all pretty much aware of our attractions around middle school age, give or take a year or two. OK? still with me? so it would stand to reason, that if you think this lifestyle of homosexuality is in fact a choice, then at some point that homosexual person asked themselves what they were attracted to - they had to make that decision at some point in their development. so, if THEY had to ask themselves those questions and make that decision...what about you? what questions did you ask yourself? when did you ask them and when did you answer them?
what's that you say? you didn't have to ask yourself those questions? terrific! but if you didn't have to ask yourself those questions, what makes you think anyone else did? afterall, we've already established we're all humans & develope pretty much the same. but wait, if you DID have to ask yourself those questions, then i suspect then that you probably answered incorrectly according to your true self - you may want to do a little more analysis.
i probably need to go to a second post due to character limits. hang on!
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#18 Apr 21, 2011
here's goes again. sorry. and look for a third one, as well.:)
are you aware that your so-called 'evil' homosexual behavior is extremely common, if not close to universal, in vertebrate populations? Cows, dogs, horses, people, apes, lizards, ALL have been observed to exhibit a small population of individuals who are attracted to the biologically wrong mate. Recent studies show that what sex you are attracted to has a hormonal basis in early development (the amount of testosterone in the embryo heavily influences this). Does a faulty or inappropriately controlled behavior gene for mate selection mean that the cow that Farmer Brown saw mount another cow is a sinner? Get real. It is EXACTLY the same in human populations. The same biological processes all vertebrates have are run by pretty much the same master control genes which have evolved over the last 500 million years, give or take a few eons. So it's perfectly natural and even expected that any animal in this particular part of the evolutionary tree would exhibit similar basic patterns of behavior, and similar anomalies from the norm.
Intolerance of any type has no place in society, especially one in which personal liberty and freedom is professed. Wrapping it in religion is only a futile attempt to justify your inappropriate and abusive behavior. Remember, about 3-5 percent of the general population is homosexual. Which relatives of yours are? Which friends? And would you feel the same way towards them if you knew they were?
And let's not forget that man IS an animal, what separates us from 'lesser animals'(and BOY do I hate that expression, they aren't lower, they are DIFFERENT) is an advanced culture and the ability through that culture to change how we see our world and change it, and to evolve and adapt our culture in a manner no other life form on earth can. Yes, we are experiencing a cultural evolution, which is much faster than genetic evolution, and it branches, some branches go extinct, some flourish, some get corrupted by cultural baggage (like genetic baggage) and can evolve deleterious effects. No branches are better than another. Some may be better adapted to their particular environment. All animals have language and culture, and we share at least some of our genes with all other life on earth, except for perhaps some of the new weird bacteria forms found living in environments hostile to us. Implying that animals are 'lesser' implies implicitly that we are better than them. Not true. We are just different.
I am a scientist. When a religious person (and yes, religion and science are two completely separate fields of study) misrepresents science, yes, I do have a problem with that. If you really get to know a scientist, I think you'll find us to be among the most open minded of all people you've ever met. It's part of the job description. And not just when it comes to science.
religious convictions have no place in law. Because there will always be people with different religions that have different opinions. Legislating opinions on how people should act, outside of what I call common courtesy laws and the 'not hurting others' aspect, is something that should always be carefully considered because of fundamental human rights. Repeat, marriage is a human rights issue. Do you feel that there are multiple classes of people who should have different human rights based on their beliefs? Because, like it or not, that's what this issue is really about. Human rights, not moral absolutes or religious convictions.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#19 Apr 21, 2011
and here's my third one. sorry for the great lengths.
Incidentally, from a biological standpoint, a person's sexuality is to a strong degree determined by genetics. I happen to have a degree in zoology and try to keep up with genetic research as much as my now-out-of-academia life allows. ln the new studies on brain tissue, size differences in areas of the brain that control your sexuality clearly point to a genetic predisposition for varying degrees of straight/gay behavior. These tissues are influenced in the fetus by the presence or absence (or lower than usual) of testosterone. Low testosterone levels in men and high testosterone levels in women have a significant correlation with abnormal size (for their sex) of this brain tissue which does differ in size from men and women. In other words, their brains are hard wired to have sexual attraction for their own sex. Hormone studies in adults and fetuses also show similar trends. if you really get to talk to someone that's gay/lesbian, they will almost always say it's NOT a choice, they are born that way, and why would they choose to live this way, etc. And guess what, HARD science is coming in saying the exact same thing. There's a reason they are the way they are, and we are the way we are, our brains are wired differently. All the ranting of how it's immoral or against your personal beliefs is irrelevant to the larger pictures. Having different wiring should not exclude them from their human rights.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#20 Apr 21, 2011
dang. my posts got garbled. my second one went completely away. here it is again :
are you aware that your so-called 'evil' homosexual behavior is extremely common, if not close to universal, in vertebrate populations? Cows, dogs, horses, people, apes, lizards, ALL have been observed to exhibit a small population of individuals who are attracted to the biologically wrong mate. Recent studies show that what sex you are attracted to has a hormonal basis in early development (the amount of testosterone in the embryo heavily influences this). Does a faulty or inappropriately controlled behavior gene for mate selection mean that the cow that Farmer Brown saw mount another cow is a sinner? Get real. It is EXACTLY the same in human populations. The same biological processes all vertebrates have are run by pretty much the same master control genes which have evolved over the last 500 million years, give or take a few eons. So it's perfectly natural and even expected that any animal in this particular part of the evolutionary tree would exhibit similar basic patterns of behavior, and similar anomalies from the norm.
Intolerance of any type has no place in society, especially one in which personal liberty and freedom is professed. Wrapping it in religion is only a futile attempt to justify your inappropriate and abusive behavior. Remember, about 3-5 percent of the general population is homosexual. Which relatives of yours are? Which friends? And would you feel the same way towards them if you knew they were? It's only evil if you choose to see it as such.
And let's not forget that man IS an animal, what separates us from 'lesser animals'(and BOY do I hate that expression, they aren't lower, they are DIFFERENT) is an advanced culture and the ability through that culture to change how we see our world and change it, and to evolve and adapt our culture in a manner no other life form on earth can. Yes, we are experiencing a cultural evolution, which is much faster than genetic evolution, and it branches, some branches go extinct, some flourish, some get corrupted by cultural baggage (like genetic baggage) and can evolve deleterious effects. No branches are better than another. Some may be better adapted to their particular environment. All animals have language and culture, and we share at least some of our genes with all other life on earth, except for perhaps some of the new weird bacteria forms found living in environments hostile to us. Implying that animals are 'lesser' implies implicitly that we are better than them. Not true. We are just different.

ok, that should give you enough to think about.

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