Gay Marriage Debate - St. Marys, GA

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chum

Madison, WI

#41 Aug 3, 2010
sworkz and anon........living proof jay has 2 sons posting here on topix.
You and many others just dont get what MORAL is, how most if not all laws in the US and England were straight from the BIBLE and Jewish laws. You should seek help from Church to learn what is right and wrong from Gods word, not some clap trap liberal written book you read or were taught from. You and others can ignore that God created nature, the world we live in and everything in it as a testamnet of his POWER. The laws of God/nature can not be broken without consequence. homosexuality is wrong by Gods law and many of mans laws. All the PC wanna be "equal" and "we have rights" crap the gays spout will get them squat in the end......and if dont know what the "end" is I suggest you read the book of Revelations, easy to find as its the end of the Bible.
anon

Madison, WI

#42 Aug 3, 2010
chum wrote:
You and others can ignore that God created nature, the world we live in and everything in it as a testamnet of his POWER.
I am not ignoring this. I do believe that God created everything----including millions of gay human beings. I do not believe that God makes mistakes. I believe that it is wrong for me to judge any of God's creations. If anyone does something that displeases God, God will punish that person when and how He chooses.

I believe that both you and I have to do our best to control ourselves without presuming to try to control others.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#43 Aug 3, 2010
Someone with multiple user names is stuffing the ballot box. this is the second time that 8 votes have been added to the "support" side in about 20 minutes time.

Whatever lights your fire, weenie washer.
Sir-Real

Saint Marys, GA

#44 Aug 3, 2010
anon wrote:
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I am not ignoring this. I do believe that God created everything----including millions of gay human beings. I do not believe that God makes mistakes. I believe that it is wrong for me to judge any of God's creations. If anyone does something that displeases God, God will punish that person when and how He chooses.
I believe that both you and I have to do our best to control ourselves without presuming to try to control others.
I respect your opinion, but have a slightly different take on it. Based on your statement, it is OK for rapists, pedifiles, murderers, etc to exist because God made them and he doesn't make mistakes. Therefore, you do not judge as He will judge them in the end.
I do not condone, facilitate, or support acts which I believe to be immoral based upon God's teachings.
Man was created and given "free will." When you choose to rationalize or ignore God's teachings and commit immoral acts (giving in to temptation) it is due to "free will" not "I was created like this."
anon

Madison, WI

#45 Aug 3, 2010
Sir-Real wrote:
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I respect your opinion, but have a slightly different take on it. Based on your statement, it is OK for rapists, pedifiles, murderers, etc to exist because God made them and he doesn't make mistakes. Therefore, you do not judge as He will judge them in the end.
I do not condone, facilitate, or support acts which I believe to be immoral based upon God's teachings.
Man was created and given "free will." When you choose to rationalize or ignore God's teachings and commit immoral acts (giving in to temptation) it is due to "free will" not "I was created like this."
Wait just a minute. Rapists, pedophiles, and murderers commit violent acts against innocent people. We cannot wait for God to judge them so we must control and punish them to the best of our ability. We often give them a life sentence to protect ourselves from them until it is time for God to either punish them or forgive them.

Gays harm no one. We do not need to judge them, control them, or punish them simply for being gay. We do not need to protect ourselves from them unless they also become rapists, pedophiles, or murderers.

Does God create murderers? If we are to believe biblical stories of the creation of mankind, we must believe that one of the first four people created was a murderer. Its beyond me to know the mind of God.
Had Enough

Jacksonville, FL

#46 Aug 4, 2010
Anon trying reading the Bible for yourself. Read it, study it and pray for understanding. Because you have no real understanding of the Bible.

God does not preach against Homosexuality and then create these people because "He does not make mistakes". God told us that Homosexuality is wrong and is a sin against God. With that said God did not create Gays and Lesbians but rather created Man and Woman and gave his Free Will.

People decide whether to be Gay or not. It is not God making that decision for them.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#47 Aug 4, 2010
anon wrote:
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Gays harm no one. We do not need to judge them, control them, or punish them simply for being gay. We do not need to protect ourselves from them unless they also become rapists, pedophiles, or murderers.
I'm sorry, but during the first twenty or so years after the discovery of HIV/AIDS gays harmed millions of people, mostly other gays. Supporters of gay rights absolutely refuse to recognize this fact.

I have known maybe a dozen great folks who have fallen victim and all but one was homosexual. The only heterosexual person I have know personally to die of aids acquired it from her bisexual husband.

I do not want to see them judged, controlled, or punished. But to say that "gays harm no one" is a flat out denial of the facts.

“Call it as I see It”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#48 Aug 4, 2010
chum wrote:
sworkz and anon........living proof jay has 2 sons posting here on topix.
You and many others just dont get what MORAL is, how most if not all laws in the US and England were straight from the BIBLE and Jewish laws. You should seek help from Church to learn what is right and wrong from Gods word, not some clap trap liberal written book you read or were taught from. You and others can ignore that God created nature, the world we live in and everything in it as a testamnet of his POWER. The laws of God/nature can not be broken without consequence. homosexuality is wrong by Gods law and many of mans laws. All the PC wanna be "equal" and "we have rights" crap the gays spout will get them squat in the end......and if dont know what the "end" is I suggest you read the book of Revelations, easy to find as its the end of the Bible.
Sounds like you are a brain washed republican robot...Would you like a little more Pat Robertson with your crazy? Jesus said love everyone...hate the sin love the sinner...you must have missed that part.

Again show me in the New Testament where it's against God's law? Or do you have to refer to the old testament because it suits your arguement. Jesus said love everyone not just a select few. And if you did read and understand Revelations than you would also understand that God has a book of life and everyone that will enter heaven is already determined.
chum

Madison, WI

#49 Aug 4, 2010
sworkz wrote:
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Sounds like you are a brain washed republican robot...Would you like a little more Pat Robertson with your crazy? Jesus said love everyone...hate the sin love the sinner...you must have missed that part.
Again show me in the New Testament where it's against God's law? Or do you have to refer to the old testament because it suits your arguement. Jesus said love everyone not just a select few. And if you did read and understand Revelations than you would also understand that God has a book of life and everyone that will enter heaven is already determined.
So you are a "predestination" type? Don't tell me about Brother Pat if you believe that........and the FACT about Morals must have hit a nerve with you........I did'nt say anything about hate, you did. If you have not learned that homosexuality is wrong and against Gods/natures laws by now you have missed the boat. You or anyone else can not change the facts. As for Old Testament v New Testament just what do you mean? Or do you not know the correlation between the two? Go back to school or do some more reading before you post........

“Call it as I see It”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#50 Aug 4, 2010
chum wrote:
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So you are a "predestination" type? Don't tell me about Brother Pat if you believe that........and the FACT about Morals must have hit a nerve with you........I did'nt say anything about hate, you did. If you have not learned that homosexuality is wrong and against Gods/natures laws by now you have missed the boat. You or anyone else can not change the facts. As for Old Testament v New Testament just what do you mean? Or do you not know the correlation between the two? Go back to school or do some more reading before you post........
I didn't say anything about hate, you need to bring your understanding of the english language up a bit and attempt to re-read what I did say.

I am not a predestination type...you brought up revelations but seem to only pick and choose what you want to believe. Many Christians are that way, blind faith and choosing to believe what they want and looking down upon others for having a difference in opinion. No wonder people turn from the church...it's people like you always judging and condeming others...

The discussion was about gay marriage and you say it's against God's plan and nature's law. Please tell that to the hundreds of animals in nature that have partners of the same sex.

But again you can not show me a place in the New Testament that tells anyone that gay marriage is against God's law...If anything that would be in the 10 commandments...maybe that was on a tablet Moses dropped?

My begining statement was that Gay Marriage will eventually be allowed but currently it is a struggle because people have their beliefs but the tide is turning and like all the other things that used to be unacceptable this will eventually be accepted. You don't have to like it, participate in it but like everything else in America tolerance is part of our culture.

And, to clarify not all marriages are sanctified in a church but our Government allows anyone who is ordained to perform a legal ceremony. That goes for Wicken, Satanic, Scientalogy and others that are far from being Christian. Are you saying that they too should be banned.

MORALS are taught, learned and adapted to fit into a society of judgmental people. The morals and values taught here are different than in other parts of the country because people are different in a variety of regions. Morals can also be viewed differently by people of different social status.

Again you argument is based on us judging others and if you know the bible as you claim then you will know to read Hebrews 9:27-28 And as it is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and to them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin to salvation.
Had Enough

Saint Marys, GA

#51 Aug 4, 2010
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.(NIV, 1st Corinthians 6:9-11)
Had Enough

Saint Marys, GA

#52 Aug 4, 2010
And He answered and said to them,“Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’“and said,‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’”(Matt. 19:4.)
Had Enough

Jacksonville, FL

#53 Aug 5, 2010
No where in the Bible does it say it is ok to be gay. It does however make many references to a man and woman being together. Never man and man or woman and woman being together. Never.

There are many passages about homosexuality being against God's plan. Those who try to argue that point are people who are only trying to justify their own bad behavior.

“Call it as I see It”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#54 Aug 5, 2010
Had Enough wrote:
No where in the Bible does it say it is ok to be gay. It does however make many references to a man and woman being together. Never man and man or woman and woman being together. Never.
There are many passages about homosexuality being against God's plan. Those who try to argue that point are people who are only trying to justify their own bad behavior.
Yet at the same time Christ accepted and befriended a prostitute and was accepting. It seams to me that Christ was rather tolerant of the decisions people made with the free will God allowed man to have.

So I just need to understand this a bit, Christ can be tolerant and forgive people but we are allowed to judge people based on sexuality and do gods job for him. I don't remember being taught to judge people. It seems to be that we are required to love everyone and ask Christ into our hearts and ask for forgiveness.

I guess this is why many of the people in American go to their quaint little churches and have their comfortable little clicks and feel so justified because they now have a social standing in the church...Because that seems to be what Christianity has become believe what I believe or what I was told or we are going to shun you and tell others how you are destroying America.

Sounds a bit like you are bordering the jihadist mentality...or ultra conservative thought process. I am not saying that this isn't a moral issue or a religious issue. People have made it into a moral and religious issue because they are uncomfortable with the subject and a religious zealut has given some great speach on why they should take up the cause...buy the way how much money are you giving these people by way of your church or direct donation.

I am only saying that this will eventually become accepted and legalized in America. We are so repressed in our sexual thinking that we have trouble grasping the concept that not everyone lives by the same beliefs. I remember when being a single mother wasn't acceptable and families used to send their pregnant daughters away to avoid embarrassment. That's what most Christians are all about avoiding being embarrassed in their social circle. I've seen families looked down upon because of their situations, I thought it was the churches job to bring people closer to god when times get tough...

If people are living in sin than it's a Christians mandate to love them and show them that god still loves them not to shun them and make the rules unequal. As God's children we are all a little stubborn and sometimes need patience and guidance not a turned back and judgment.

I say open your hearts let things the idiots we elected do their jobs and if you know someone who is gay embrace them with the love of Christ not the judgment of man. It is their choice on how they resolve the conflict with God not yours.

Mans law on earth binds god in heaven...I remember that from a sermon but would have to research the reference. So if legal gay marriage happens on Earth that would bind God because he respects mans law. Like it or not God Loves us and we should just love one another.
Had Enough

Jacksonville, FL

#55 Aug 5, 2010
Yet at the same time Christ accepted and befriended a prostitute and was accepting. It seams to me that Christ was rather tolerant of the decisions people made with the free will God allowed man to have.

You have this wrong. Jesus did befriend these people but he also told them to "Go and Sin no More" Jesus accepted everybody no matter what their sins. But he told them to stop their sinful ways. That is the part that people like you always leave out.
Had Enough

Jacksonville, FL

#56 Aug 5, 2010
sworkz as long as you do not a true understanding of God's teaching and why Jesus was here then you will never get this.

Most Christians believe that gay marriage is wrong. This goes back to our founding fathers and the fact that this nation was founded on Christian beliefs.

People of your ilk will continue to bastardize the true meaning of this word so you can continue to justify your own depraved and sick behavior.
Had Enough

Jacksonville, FL

#57 Aug 5, 2010
Mans law on earth binds god in heaven...I remember that from a sermon but would have to research the reference. So if legal gay marriage happens on Earth that would bind God because he respects mans law. Like it or not God Loves us and we should just love one another.

I had to comment one more time because your ignorance is so hard to let go. Man's law is meaningless if it conflicts with God's laws. Man's law in no way shape or form ever binds God to man. It is following God's law that binds man to God and determines whether we enjoy ever lasting life with God.

“Call it as I see It”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#58 Aug 5, 2010
Had Enough wrote:
Mans law on earth binds god in heaven...I remember that from a sermon but would have to research the reference. So if legal gay marriage happens on Earth that would bind God because he respects mans law. Like it or not God Loves us and we should just love one another.
I had to comment one more time because your ignorance is so hard to let go. Man's law is meaningless if it conflicts with God's laws. Man's law in no way shape or form ever binds God to man. It is following God's law that binds man to God and determines whether we enjoy ever lasting life with God.
You are right everyone else is wrong...if they think otherwise than they should should blindly follow your beliefs. Boy wouldn't this be a perfect world...it isn't you have to attack the person to make yourself feel good about yourself.

I find this whole subject funny and interesting because I could care less. They don't bother me and I avoid brainwashed people like you.

So you are saying that our founding fathers were good God Fearing Christians when they founded this country? So you must also be saying that they had it right and Slavery is right....I disagree with the idea of owning any person...But if your OK with that then you must be OK with the rich taking advantage of the poor. You are a true Christian take advantage of others in the Name of God.

By the way...Super Christian with a flaming Anti-Gay cape! Everlasting life comes from accepting Jesus as your Lord and savior and attempting to live a life without sin. Just your insults and judgments have you in pearl...but you will somehow justify you twisted, judging beliefs into you are helping others. But in reality you are like most Americans only caring about yourself and what you can get from others. When was the last time you were on a mission trip telling others about Jesus? When was the last time you gave away your earthly items and trusted that God would provide and served him and lived on faith. ODDS are you haven't but will sit in judgment of others.

I'm an not Gay but I love messing with closed mined people who can quote the bible but don't remotely live the life of a christian. But then again you judge and condemn others and feel so good about yourself.
anon

Madison, WI

#59 Aug 5, 2010
Had Enough wrote:
Mans law on earth binds god in heaven...I remember that from a sermon but would have to research the reference. So if legal gay marriage happens on Earth that would bind God because he respects mans law. Like it or not God Loves us and we should just love one another.
I had to comment one more time because your ignorance is so hard to let go. Man's law is meaningless if it conflicts with God's laws. Man's law in no way shape or form ever binds God to man. It is following God's law that binds man to God and determines whether we enjoy ever lasting life with God.
You sound like a true believer. Do you truly believe that the Bible is the infallible Word of God in every instance? Do you follow and obey the Word of God as written in the Bible to the absolute best of your ability?
Had Enough

Saint Marys, GA

#60 Aug 5, 2010
sworkz old buddy you are the least of my worries. You have little understanding of God and his teachings. You name call and try and link my beliefs to those that took down two buildings in NTC in 2001. So when I call you out for what you truely are you think your long diatribes have some profound affect on the readers of your ramblings.

The fact of the matter is I bet you are gay or at least bi-sexual. You feel guilty about the man on man love you enjoy so much so you try and twist God's words to make what you are doing more acceptable. That is a disgusting way to live.

Keep living your lie that your homosexual ways are acceptable to God and I will continue to pray for your lost soul.

God bless you and I hope you do come to understand God's way before your depraved and sickening lifestyle causes you and eternity of fire and damnation

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