Gay Marriage Debate - Somerset, KY

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#762 Jan 25, 2013
No one is saying that you cannot be a homosexual.
The arguement is that it is wrong for our government to endorse the lie that homosexuality is equal to heterosexuality.
come on now

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#763 Jan 25, 2013
Yeah wrote:
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Yes, I have seen gay men humping each other in public on multiple occasions. But, I have lived all over this country also. The most embarrassing time was in Miami when two gay men mounted each other like dogs in front of my wife and I.
You ask what I did? You keep walking and keep your mouth shut.
Most rural Americans are very naive about how homosexuals behave in areas where large concentrations of them live. I do not hate gays.
I also do not believe in lying to society about what homosexuality is. It is not an equivalent alternative to heterosexuality. It is a subcultural sexual behavior that some are desparately attempting to normalize in the eyes of the public.
"You ask what I did? You keep walking and keep your mouth shut. "
So is it your nature that when yu see a crime happening you"keep walking and keep your mouth shut?.... If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem"

I have seen gay men humping each other in public on multiple occasions. But, I have lived all over this country also."

You are just to funny... most people, even those who live in large metopolitan areas never ever see this... yet you "seen gay men humping on mutliple occasions. That makes one wonder if you are lieing,,,, or exactly what was going on that you seen what most people never ever see, and on multiple occasions none the less.

"I also do not believe in lying to society about what homosexuality is. It is not an equivalent alternative to heterosexuality. It is a subcultural sexual behavior that some are desparately attempting to normalize in the eyes of the public"

You have anythng to backthat up... studies... provable facts... or is this just your biased opinion.
If you want to tell the trueth to society, tell them that 99 percent of all homosexuals are just like them... yes there are some, just like some heteros who do things in public which they shouldnot... Truth is there is no reason why two u.s. citizens should be denied the same rights as two other citzens.....

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#764 Jan 25, 2013
Yeah wrote:
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Yes, I have seen gay men humping each other in public on multiple occasions. But, I have lived all over this country also. The most embarrassing time was in Miami when two gay men mounted each other like dogs in front of my wife and I.
You ask what I did? You keep walking and keep your mouth shut.
Most rural Americans are very naive about how homosexuals behave in areas where large concentrations of them live. I do not hate gays.
I also do not believe in lying to society about what homosexuality is. It is not an equivalent alternative to heterosexuality. It is a subcultural sexual behavior that some are desparately attempting to normalize in the eyes of the public.
"Mouthed each other". Do you mean kissing? Because people kiss all the damn time.

I once had sex in a public park with my girlfriend. In the middle of the day. I once saw a woman having oral sex with a man in a parked car in front of a Shoney's. In the middle of the day.

If you are a bigot you will filter your experiences through your bigotry and only mention the things that you found personally offensive.

As the other poster said, public sex is not legal. Doesn't matter who's doing it. It is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT TO THIS TOPIC.

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#765 Jan 25, 2013
Yeah wrote:
No one is saying that you cannot be a homosexual.
The arguement is that it is wrong for our government to endorse the lie that homosexuality is equal to heterosexuality.
It's a good thing no one is saying you can't be gay since it isn't a choice to begin with.

And the government is not endorsing any lies about homosexuality being equal to heterosexuality. We are talking about treating citizens equally, not equating sexualities. Although I would certainly argue that one man's sexual identity is just as valid as another man's sexual identity and I would absolutely challenge you to demonstrate otherwise.

What fires up my oven about this topic is that is *should* be a no-brainer. You treat citizens equally, period. Yet the homophobes are arguing that because we want them to stop discriminating we are somehow being unfair to them. It's like that bully on the beach whining because the skinny kid got muscles and no longer takes sand being kicked in his face.

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#766 Jan 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Opinion and profanity; not profound.
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<quoted text>The subject is redefining marriage so two men or two women could marry each other; gender segregation marriage. Marriage in Kentucky is one man and one woman, perfect affirmative action. That keeps it fair.
Well you made me do it. You made me Google "gender segregation marriage". And I got this:

http://www.homegriddle.com/2011/10/twelve-rea...

Which is either YOUR blog or the place where you got your ideas. Unless this person got their ideas from some other person who didn't come up in my search.

Either way, it's bat sh*t crazy. It's quite possibly the most obtuse argument I have ever heard against gay marriage...or just about anything else.

And the person writing this blog, who seems to be 100% in line with you, really takes it to home base for crazy:

"Also, the term “gay marriage” implies that individuals with same sex attraction need their own type of marriage since they are excluded from traditional marriage. But they’re not. The truth is, they can already marry in all 50 states. There is no heterosexual question on the marriage license. There is simply a gender requirement. Everyone has a gender; everyone qualifies."

It is difficult to even slice through this with a critical knife because it makes very little sense at all. But let's try a little bit, for clarity.

First, it *is* just marriage. The term "gay marriage" is only useful now because gays are excluded from marriage (again, they ARE excluded, regardless of how you want to spin it). So that term will actually go away once anti-gay marriage laws are ruled unconstitutional.

Ok, so the next bit it the really misleading and obtuse gem of this whole stupid argument. Because the application for a marriage license does not ask you about your sexual orientation THEREFORE gays can marry....that is to say, they can marry people of the opposite sex. They CANNOT marry one another (in most states).

This argument wants to confuse its terms so that it can make a positive claim ("gays can marry") as if to remove the burden of being on the side of limiting marriage rights. However, the only way they can get married is to marry someone of the opposite sex. But in what universe would it be ok to force a person to marry someone to whom they were not attracted and with whom they could not find a genuine fit? It's both stupid and insulting to put forth this whole "gender segregation" argument.

I absolutely hate to even give this sort of thing my time. But it is important to be clear.

Gender segregation marriage is a very silly argument made by the type of person who is desperate for ANY kind of argument. And if fails.

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#767 Jan 26, 2013
Thanks for the reference, this is good:

Twelve reasons to stop calling it ‘gay marriage’ or ‘same-sex marriage’ and start calling it ‘gender-segregated marriage’

Six states have legalized marriage for same gender couples. Many refer to this as “gay marriage” or “same-sex marriage”(SSM). But there are several problems with those terms. Calling it gender-segregated marriage (GSM) is more accurate and effective. Before we head into the 2012 election cycle, let’s rethink our terminology.

1.“Gay marriage” is misleading

Opposing gay marriage makes it sound as if we oppose gays. But that is a false assumption. We have friends, relatives, and neighbors dealing with same sex attraction. We’re not against them; we don’t oppose people. We oppose redefining marriage; we oppose bad policy.

2. Everyone can marry

Also, the term “gay marriage” implies that individuals with same sex attraction need their own type of marriage since they are excluded from traditional marriage. But they’re not. The truth is, they can already marry in all 50 states. There is no heterosexual question on the marriage license. There is simply a gender requirement. Everyone has a gender; everyone qualifies.

Just as there is no heterosexual litmus test for the marriage license, there is no homosexual question either, only gender. In six states, two men can marry each other for legal benefits even if they are straight. So why call it gay marriage?

3.“Same-sex marriage” is not the same sex

The term “same sex marriage” is also misleading.“Same sex” insinuates that what two guys do in their bedroom is identical to what a husband and wife do. But the sex is definitely not the same. It is different biologically, socially, and physically. Because it is so different, states that legalize GSM will need to revamp their sex education classes to ensure they teach public schoolchildren how unigender couples have sex. Otherwise they risk discrimination lawsuits.

4.“Straight marriage” or “different sex marriage”?

If we refer to two men as having a gay marriage, what do we call the other kind: straight marriage? As noted previously, that’s inaccurate since men with same-sex attraction can marry the opposite sex. So why call it straight marriage?

And what’s the counterpoint to same-sex marriage? Different-sex marriage? Sounds kinky.

5. The term gender-segregated marriage is scientific and accurate

Our sex is determined before birth, long before any orientation or attraction is developed. We are born male and female, and then we develop sexually and express our sexuality with our gendered bodies. This is not rocket science, people. However, it is science.

A crucial problem with GSM is the exclusion of the other gender. Calling it gender-segregated marriage takes the focus off homosexuality and highlights the gender issue. Instead of boxing in an individual’s sexual preferences, it bases marriage law on the biological sex of a person. Rather than stressing what the individual wants, it emphasizes who the person is.

Regardless of whether they have same-sex attraction or not, the problem with two men marrying each other is that any children they adopt will grow up lacking a mother. The core problem for this family is they purposely exclude women. Calling this gender segregation is clear and accurate.

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#768 Jan 26, 2013
6. Gender segregation is analogous to racial segregation

Another benefit to calling it gender-segregated marriage is that it puts gay rights advocates on the defense. What liberal wants to be known as an activist for gender segregation?

Gay rights activists frame their cause with the civil rights story to gain sympathy. They certainly don’t want to be on the side of segregation.“Separate but equal” didn’t work in schools; why do gay rights activists assume it will work in marriage? Next time they bring up Rosa Parks’ name, ask how much she’d like to get kicked off the bus not because she’s black but because she’s a woman. Think Rosa would prefer gender discrimination to racial discrimination?

7. Pro diversity

The term “gender-segregated marriage” is also beneficial since traditional or natural marriage could then be called gender-diverse marriage (or gender-integrated or gender-inclusive marriage.) Gender-segregated marriage denies the beauty, power, and importance of gender diversity. What self-respecting liberal activist wants to oppose gender diversity or gender integration?

8. Appeal to youth

Currently young Americans are trending in favor of homosexual rights. It is crucial for them to hear that so-called gay marriage is actually gender segregation. They need to know we are not discriminating against individuals with same-sex attraction. We are taking a stand against gender segregation in marriage. We need to state our case clearly so youth will want to join our team.

9. Kid-friendly

GSM solves the awkwardness of explaining what “gay” marriage is to youngsters. Little kids shouldn’t have to learn about homosexuality before they even know what sex is. Our job is to protect their innocence, not steal it from them.

The term gender-segregation is kid-friendly. Simply explain that segregation means separation and gender refers to male and female. Even preschoolers understand boys and girls.

10. Favored minority

People with same sex attraction are currently enjoying a favored status with liberals and the media. Taking a stand against “gay marriage” leads to discussions about homosexuality, which in turn can lead to getting investigated, bullied on Facebook, or fired. Precisely because they are a minority, people with same-sex attraction automatically get preferential treatment from many Americans. Folks naturally root for the underdog.

11. No minority

In contrast, referring to this phenomenon as gender-segregated marriage keeps the focus on gender, not the sexual attraction. It is scientific, objective, quantifiable.

Plus, everyone has a gender—there is no minority, no underdog. We are on equal footing. We can have intelligent conversations without name-calling: homophobic, gay, hate-filled, etc.

12. Lawsuits

As more and more gender-segregated couples sue gender-diverse couples for discrimination, this new terminology will be in the defendants’ favor. What jury wants to go on record for convicting a gender-integrated couple for taking a stand against gender segregation in marriage?

Born that way

We are born male and female. When two men “marry,” it is a gender-segregated marriage and when a man and woman marry, it’s diversity. The more we use the term gender-segregated marriage the more we can debate this topic clearly and accurately. If we start now, we have plenty of time to incorporate this terminology into the American lexicon. Folks need to understand the ramifications of this issue before they vote in the 2012 elections.

In conversation and online comments, use accurate terms. The next time someone asks your opinion about gay marriage, ask him how he feels about gender-segregated marriage.

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RKA

London, KY

#769 Jan 26, 2013
IT IS AGAINST THE BIBLE'S TEACHINGS. IT IS IMMORAL AND A SICK LIFESTYLE.

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#770 Jan 26, 2013
Brian once again its not if SSM happens, but when. You have failed to give a reason the state can prevent SSM marriage from happening.

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#771 Jan 26, 2013
He failed because there is no reason. The only reason these bigots can drum up is that God told them. And that won't fly in a secular nation. So they scramble to devise this weird, obtuse language about "gender segregation" (seriously, WFT??).

It's comical in a sense. Irritating, but funny. I read bits of these posts to a friend and he almost choked on his drink.

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#772 Jan 27, 2013
In Kentucky, marriage is defined as one man and one woman so it's the same sex marriage supporters who need to provide reasons to redefine marriage.

Not going to happen!

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#773 Jan 27, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
In Kentucky, marriage is defined as one man and one woman so it's the same sex marriage supporters who need to provide reasons to redefine marriage.
Not going to happen!
That wasn't the case until 1973 when two women tried to get a marriage license. Then the state "changed the definition of marriage" by creating a law explicitly preventing same-sex couples from acquiring a marriage license.

I like how you guys move the goal post for your convenience then claim it was always there by default. Wouldn't it be the right thing to do to stop playing word games and just let folks get married, for pete's sake?

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#774 Jan 27, 2013
Homosexuals marrying under the same laws as everyone else always happens. There's nothing wrong with homosexuals or homosexuality and that's no reason to redefine marriage.

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#775 Jan 27, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Homosexuals marrying under the same laws as everyone else always happens. There's nothing wrong with homosexuals or homosexuality and that's no reason to redefine marriage.
When you say this you are intentionally being dishonest. Sure, a homosexual man can marry a woman. Perfectly legal. But when he tries to marry another man he hits a brick wall. He can't get a license to do that.

Please stop making dishonest arguments.
MMXIII

London, KY

#776 Jan 27, 2013
The concept of gay marriage is ludicrous. Any legal marriage other than between man and woman is nonsense!
come on now

Bolingbrook, IL

#777 Jan 27, 2013
MMXIII wrote:
The concept of gay marriage is ludicrous. Any legal marriage other than between man and woman is nonsense!
why

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#778 Jan 28, 2013
Introducing gender segregation to marriage harms everyone; single people, children and homosexuals most of all. Keep marriage gender diverse because every gay was born of male/female union.

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#779 Jan 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Introducing gender segregation to marriage harms everyone; single people, children and homosexuals most of all. Keep marriage gender diverse because every gay was born of male/female union.
As much as I hate to do it I guess I'm finished with this discussion, at least with you. It would be interesting to actually debate this further but you don't seem to have any genuine interest in the topic. As I said a few pages back, you are basically trolling and I'm feeding the troll.

So adios.

Anyone else who wants to actually discuss or debate the issue I'll be happy to talk to.

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#780 Mar 8, 2013
It's not natural, we should me marrying a different sex not you're own gender

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#781 Mar 8, 2013
What do men see in other men.

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