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Shari

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Jan 17, 2012
 
Every one deserves equality

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Mar 12, 2012
 
Homosexuality is against Nature. Nature is Sovereign.
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Jan 1, 2013
 
Gay anything is an assault against life.

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Jan 1, 2013
 
Shari wrote:
Every one deserves equality
And then there were none! We use to treat people that were psychologically ill. Now you want to enable them in their sickness. Shall we go back and re-evaluate a look at this sickness?
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Jan 1, 2013
 
Rev Jerome V Trafny wrote:
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And then there were none! We use to treat people that were psychologically ill. Now you want to enable them in their sickness. Shall we go back and re-evaluate a look at this sickness?
Good Rev.
It has been shown that homosexuality is not a psychological illness. It can not be "cured" by any form of treatment. Why,,, not an illness.

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Jan 1, 2013
 
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It has been shown that homosexuality is not a psychological illness. It can not be "cured" by any form of treatment. Why,,, not an illness.
Are you suggesting that if "it" cannot be cured, "it" is not a sickness. My gay friends and family are very adamant about their "Choice" to be homosexual. And, every one of them expressed that they did not like it when they were first introduced/molested. Here is a link for this same topic on topix from 2008:":http://www.topix.c om/forum/topstories/T5J8IONPQP LNKE1F2" There is a great deal of information regarding this topic in Psychological journals as far back as one would look. Truth is more than an opinion, check the facts.
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Jan 1, 2013
 
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Are you suggesting that if "it" cannot be cured, "it" is not a sickness. My gay friends and family are very adamant about their "Choice" to be homosexual. And, every one of them expressed that they did not like it when they were first introduced/molested. Here is a link for this same topic on topix from 2008:":http://www.topix.c om/forum/topstories/T5J8IONPQP LNKE1F2" There is a great deal of information regarding this topic in Psychological journals as far back as one would look. Truth is more than an opinion, check the facts.
Are you suggesting that if "it" cannot be cured, "it" is not a sickness.
No I am not suggesting this... I am out right saying it. There is no medical evidence to show it is a "sickness" mental or physical. If you hav e studies to prove otherwise.. by non biased groups... please show.
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Jan 1, 2013
 
Rev Jerome V Trafny wrote:
Homosexuality is against Nature. Nature is Sovereign.
Really... so the 1500 species of animals which have been shown to have nomosexual members in them.... are against nature also?....

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Are you suggesting that if "it" cannot be cured, "it" is not a sickness.
No I am not suggesting this... I am out right saying it. There is no medical evidence to show it is a "sickness" mental or physical. If you have studies to prove otherwise.. by non biased groups... please show.
If you want to support the genocide of human kind, with your acts against humanity by practicing Un-Natural sexual perversions, do that without getting in me way. When it is time to bring out the machete's I am ready. Im done with this topic and you. Nine Blessings to you, and may the God's Guide and Guard you.
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Really... so the 1500 species of animals which have been shown to have nomosexual members in them.... are against nature also?....
People Really, do you really believe that animals mounting is a sexual actr of copulating. Okay, no time for this ignarance...
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Jan 1, 2013
 
Rev Jerome V Trafny wrote:
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If you want to support the genocide of human kind, with your acts against humanity by practicing Un-Natural sexual perversions, do that without getting in me way. When it is time to bring out the machete's I am ready. Im done with this topic and you. Nine Blessings to you, and may the God's Guide and Guard you.
Bi Sidh.
If you want to support the genocide of human kind, with your acts against humanity by practicing Un-Natural sexual perversions,"

A) how would equal rights for less than 10 percent of populatoin be genocidal to society?
2) Un natural...didnt you read previous post... if 1500 species have homosexual in them...hardly unnatural
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Jan 1, 2013
 
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People Really, do you really believe that animals mounting is a sexual actr of copulating. Okay, no time for this ignarance...
If you want to call vast amount of scientific study and research ignorance you can... of course this coming from someone who would have us believe that a burning bush talked to Moses.
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If you want to call vast amount of scientific study and research ignorance you can... of course this coming from someone who would have us believe that a burning bush talked to Moses.
Sorry that you ass sum that I teach that Moses talked to a burning bush. I am a Neo-Pagan minister, who teaches natural law, which is subject to Nature, and your post regarding 1500 animal species being homosexual has been scientifically shown to be false. Animals do not perform sexual acts, they act from instinct, and part of that instinct is to show doominion. A piece of the pecking order rule. Don't be so ignorant in proving that homosexuality is natural. If you wish to have sexual encounters with members of your same sex, that is surely your buisness, but please, take your justification to those who wish to justify it along side of you. I do not wish to believe something, or anything lacking proof. This is one reason why I chose to be neo-pagan, for I know that belief lacking proof, especially in the teeth of evidence, is pure psychosis. right along with main stream religious faith.
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Mar 21, 2013
 
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Sorry that you ass sum that I teach that Moses talked to a burning bush. I am a Neo-Pagan minister, who teaches natural law, which is subject to Nature, and your post regarding 1500 animal species being homosexual has been scientifically shown to be false. Animals do not perform sexual acts, they act from instinct, and part of that instinct is to show doominion. A piece of the pecking order rule. Don't be so ignorant in proving that homosexuality is natural. If you wish to have sexual encounters with members of your same sex, that is surely your buisness, but please, take your justification to those who wish to justify it along side of you. I do not wish to believe something, or anything lacking proof. This is one reason why I chose to be neo-pagan, for I know that belief lacking proof, especially in the teeth of evidence, is pure psychosis. right along with main stream religious faith.
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scientifically shown to be false. Animals do not perform sexual acts, they act from instinct, and part of that instinct is to show doominion. A piece of the pecking order rule. Don't be so ignorant in proving that homosexuality is natural."
Been proven both ways... but yours is the one that is "correct"... right.
I do not wish to believe something, or anything lacking proof.
Ok fair enough
Proof.. the equal protection clause of the constitution (14th). It has been ruled by SCOTUS to mean, in laymans terms, that a state can not have two sets of rules for its citizens. One set that allows for a group to do things while one that keeps another group from doing the same thing. The only way they can be allowed to do this is to show a overwhelming states interest in not allowing a group the same rights given to another group. So what would you say the overwhelming states interest would be here?

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Mar 22, 2013
 
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scientifically shown to be false. Animals do not perform sexual acts, they act from instinct, and part of that instinct is to show doominion. A piece of the pecking order rule. Don't be so ignorant in proving that homosexuality is natural."
Been proven both ways... but yours is the one that is "correct"... right.
I do not wish to believe something, or anything lacking proof.
Ok fair enough
Proof.. the equal protection clause of the constitution (14th). It has been ruled by SCOTUS to mean, in laymans terms, that a state can not have two sets of rules for its citizens. One set that allows for a group to do things while one that keeps another group from doing the same thing. The only way they can be allowed to do this is to show a overwhelming states interest in not allowing a group the same rights given to another group. So what would you say the overwhelming states interest would be here?
I do not personally give a rats ass about what the state law has to say in it's rules regarding this issue. I follow sovereign truth, which is only relative to Nature, and that which is Natural. As I said, justify your attraction to members of your same sex to those who wish to follow your suit. I have no intention of attempting to convince you, or anyone else, of my own perspective in this, or any other matter. I am absolutely content with my perspective of this issue, and your defensiveness may be something of a motive for re-examining your own perspective of the matter. This is my job as a minister, "to help you see through your own garbage." Consider Nature without blindsiding it with your own pervertion of Sovereign Truth.
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Mar 22, 2013
 
Rev Jerome V Trafny wrote:
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I do not personally give a rats ass about what the state law has to say in it's rules regarding this issue. I follow sovereign truth, which is only relative to Nature, and that which is Natural. As I said, justify your attraction to members of your same sex to those who wish to follow your suit. I have no intention of attempting to convince you, or anyone else, of my own perspective in this, or any other matter. I am absolutely content with my perspective of this issue, and your defensiveness may be something of a motive for re-examining your own perspective of the matter. This is my job as a minister, "to help you see through your own garbage." Consider Nature without blindsiding it with your own pervertion of Sovereign Truth.
"I do not personally give a rats ass about what the state law has to say in it's rules regarding this issue. I follow sovereign truth, which is only relative to Nature, and that which is Natural."

Here is the thing sir,,,, it does not matter WHAT you give a "rats ass" about here. We are not a theocracy. This means that you can believe what you want, you can have your "natural" world view, however only one thing is important. Not anyone persons religion or theological stance, but what the constitution says. Under the 14th it says that all citizens (not just hetero) are equally protected under the law. Not only if it "agrees" with one mans views on nature. So a state can not say that one group can be allowed to get the many benefits, both monetary and legal, of marraige, while another group can not. The only way this can happen is IF the state can show a overwhelming states interest in making such law. Now what would that interest be in ssm?

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Apr 1, 2013
 
Okay, you plea a good case. I have changed my perspective on the matter. Everyone should indeed be equal. And, You have given me a great tool for population control+"Gay Marriage"
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Apr 1, 2013
 
Rev Jerome V Trafny wrote:
Okay, you plea a good case. I have changed my perspective on the matter. Everyone should indeed be equal. And, You have given me a great tool for population control+"Gay Marriage"
right since homosexuals make up less than 5 percent of the population ssm will REALLY have an effect on overpopulation....

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Apr 2, 2013
 
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right since homosexuals make up less than 5 percent of the population ssm will REALLY have an effect on overpopulation....
God damn it, then we do indeed need to promote homosexuality.
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Apr 27, 2013
 
wen it comes to gays i really couldn't care less. i only start caring wen it affects me and gays getting married wouldn't affect me in any way shape or form

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