Gay Marriage Debate - Russell Springs, KY

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#34264 Oct 13, 2013
Terra Firma wrote:
So you advocate discrimination against and infringement of the fundamental rights of gays because you like them?
No, I wrote my defense of male/female marriage isn't based on emotion. Also, nature advocates discrimination between same sex couples and opposite sex couples; not me. I advocate gender discrimination; when time to abandon ship, women and children first to the lifeboats.

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Terra Firma wrote:
You really expect us to believe such a blatant lie, Brian?
That men and women are different? Yes.

Why do you call it a lie?

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Terra Firma wrote:
They are based on feelings, Brian. And irrational, illogical and ones motivated by animus at that.
I admit I don't like ad hominem or other fallacious argument, is that the feeling you mean?

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Terra Firma wrote:
Giving legal recognition to the marriages of same sex couples would be a positive to them and any children they might have. That would provide a "greater good" for an even greater number of people.
It would change marriage law for all; Christian wedding vendors could be sued for declining to attend same sex 'wedding' rituals.

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Terra Firma wrote:
Or better yet, House Republicans could fulfill their constitutionally appointed duty of funding the government
Not to write checks on our children's future; reform spending, repeal intrusive regulations and stop higher taxes now.

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Terra Firma wrote:
rather than holding it hostage to an agenda
Hostage; that's a loaded term in a negotiation. Budget hawks and doves are duking it out in congress.

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Terra Firma wrote:
they weren't able to achieve by winning an election.
They won election in 2010 and 2012. Now, Obama or the Democrats have to come up with a bill that can pass the House.

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#34265 Oct 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
No, I wrote my defense of male/female marriage isn't based on emotion.
But that declaration is incongruent with your advocacy of harmful discrimination against and infringement of the fundamental rights of gays. Unless you're admitting to be an unfeeling sociopath.
Brian_G wrote:
Also, nature advocates discrimination between same sex couples and opposite sex couples; not me.
Nature doesn't write our laws nor does it exercise free speech to "advocate" anything.
Brian_G wrote:
I advocate gender discrimination; when time to abandon ship, women and children first to the lifeboats.
That's a personal ethical decision, not a government mandate.
Brian_G wrote:
That men and women are different? Yes.
Why do you call it a lie?
I didn't call that a lie; I called your claim of never having expressed dislike of gays a lie since it's incongruent with advocating discrimination against and infringement of their fundamental rights.
Brian_G wrote:
I admit I don't like ad hominem or other fallacious argument, is that the feeling you mean?
No. Do you have a reading disability? Otherwise, it's difficult to understand why you're so incapable of reading and comprehending plain English.
Brian_G wrote:
It would change marriage law for all
The change would only affect those who wish to marry someone of the same sex. People who wish to marry someone of the opposite sex would not be affected at all.
Brian_G wrote:
Christian wedding vendors could be sued for declining to attend same sex 'wedding' rituals.
They're sued when they violate anti-discrimination laws, Brian. Marriage laws don't regulate business practices.
Brian_G wrote:
Not to write checks on our children's future; reform spending, repeal intrusive regulations and stop higher taxes now.
House republicans had from October 2012 until September 2013 to write and pass such legislation but chose not to. They are constitutionally mandated with originating the revenue bills to fund the federal government. Funding the government is a separate activity from passing other laws.
Brian_G wrote:
Hostage; that's a loaded term in a negotiation. Budget hawks and doves are duking it out in congress.
It's not about "budget hawks and doves", Brian. It's strictly blatant partisan politics. And using government funding and the debt ceiling as tools to extort concessions for an agenda that failed to receive a public mandate in the last election are not the negotiation tactics of civil people.
Brian_G wrote:
They won election in 2010 and 2012. Now, Obama or the Democrats have to come up with a bill that can pass the House.
Bu they won neither the Presidency or the Senate so lack the leverage to pass their agenda without compromise. Funding bills are constitutionally mandated to start in the House; it's the Republicans responsibility to provide the starting point for a budget, not the President's or the Senate's. No doubt you're just confused because House republicans haven't lived up to that responsibility since they last took control of the House and other's have had to do their job for them.
Democratic USA

Houston, TX

#34266 Oct 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
I've never expressed any dislike of gays, to the contrary I've always written there is nothing wrong with homosexuals or homosexuality. My reasons for keeping marriage one man and one woman aren't based on feelings; they are based on the greatest good for the greatest number of people.
I know Obama blames the Republicans for the government shutdown and people see how he keeps veterans out of federal memorials while opening the mall for an amnesty rally by illegal immigrants. We need a Republican in the White House, who will manage budget cuts for the least harm, instead of trying to hurt people for the media story.
. Not only Obama blames the republicans for the shutdown Brian, your party's approval rating is incredibly sinking to the lowest since before the shutdown, no one is to blame for this country's biggest problems, but your own party's mediocracy and stupidity, take it like a man, you lost the election, and the shutdown hopefully will be a wake up call for your bigot buddies of your party.
spider eating preacher

Ashburn, VA

#34267 Oct 14, 2013
Do any of you watch Ellen on t.v.?

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#34268 Oct 14, 2013
People are unhappy with all of government, not just the RINO republicans willing to go along with Obama's big borrowing and spending. When you're broke, stop spending.

The House produced a continuing resolution to fund the budget; the Senate and Obama reject it. Not the ball's in their court, to produce a compromise that can pass the House.

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#34269 Oct 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
People are unhappy with all of government, not just the RINO republicans willing to go along with Obama's big borrowing and spending. When you're broke, stop spending.
The House produced a continuing resolution to fund the budget; the Senate and Obama reject it. Not the ball's in their court, to produce a compromise that can pass the House.
On the contrary, the House was unable to craft a continuing resolution that either fully funded government or didn't include extortive gimmicks to pass other unrelated legislation. But I agree, it will likely be the Senate that steps up and does the House's job once again.

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#34271 Oct 14, 2013
The House passed a continuing resolution and Ted Cruz filibustered the Senate to get a vote on the clean House continuing resolution without amendment. He lossed so the Senate amended that bill to make it unacceptable to the House.

The House has since passed another bill to fund government, now the Senate must either pass it or produce a compromise that can pass the House. The balls in Obama's and the Democrat's court; if they don't have a bill that can pass the House, they should accept the House bill.
Democratic USA

Houston, TX

#34272 Oct 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
The House passed a continuing resolution and Ted Cruz filibustered the Senate to get a vote on the clean House continuing resolution without amendment. He lossed so the Senate amended that bill to make it unacceptable to the House.
The House has since passed another bill to fund government, now the Senate must either pass it or produce a compromise that can pass the House. The balls in Obama's and the Democrat's court; if they don't have a bill that can pass the House, they should accept the House bill.
still the Republican's fault for all the mess going around in the white house and congress.

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#34273 Oct 14, 2013
Terra Firma wrote:
<quoted text>
Which means squat since either ignore it when it doesn't suit your purpose or pervert it into something it doesn't actually say.
<quoted text>
And yet you've never been able to prove my assertions false.
thats funny coming from you.
the captin of perversion.

I don't have to prove or disprove anything, God already did that with His word, the Holy bible.

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#34274 Oct 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
The House passed a continuing resolution and Ted Cruz filibustered the Senate to get a vote on the clean House continuing resolution without amendment. He lossed so the Senate amended that bill to make it unacceptable to the House.
The House has never submitted a "clean" continuing resolution that fully funded government without extortion tactics for the current federal fiscal year.

Why do you lie, Brian?
Brian_G wrote:
The House has since passed another bill to fund government
The House has passed various partial funding schemes to pander to groups most affected by their abdication of their constitutional duties.
Brian_G wrote:
now the Senate must either pass it or produce a compromise that can pass the House. The balls in Obama's and the Democrat's court; if they don't have a bill that can pass the House, they should accept the House bill.
Your naiveté is astounding, Brian. An agreement must represent a compromise by both parties, not just by the Senate and the President.The House isn't excluded just because the republican tea party zealots are throwing a tantrum and want to play Russian roulette with our economy and credit rating.

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#34276 Oct 14, 2013
Peace-Love-Happiness wrote:
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Yeah, I read that article. Supposedly, they plan on doing "medical tests" to determine whether or not they're gay.
The question is...if a medical test can determine gayness, doesn't that mean homosexuality is not a choice, but natural and inherent? If it was a choice, nothing on a medical test would be able to prove gayness.
Check and mate.
HAHAHAHA no, a medical test would consist of psycological as well as physical. A disease is neither something we are born with or choose. Incase you have forgotten up until 73 most dr's believed homosexuality WAS a mental illness, some still hold to it.

double check and mate.
Wca

Campbellsville, KY

#34283 Oct 15, 2013
Who cares?
Carrie

Campbellsville, KY

#34284 Oct 15, 2013
Marriage is a legal term and nothing but a piece of paper. I should know I have two marriage documents, one for my dead husband and one for the sorry second one who abandoned me and our daughter. After all this it does not matter to me if gay people want to marry. All I can say is it's taking a risk either way.

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#34285 Oct 15, 2013
Democratic USA wrote:
still the Republican's fault for all the mess going around in the white house and congress.
It's the fault of spending more than you get. Both Republicans and Democrats are at fault; Senator Obama voted against the Continuing Resolution when Bush was President.

This is Obama's, the Senate's and the House's fault. At least the House is doing something; what we voted them in to do. We can fund every part of the government but Obamacare, or stop the tax.
Democratic USA

Houston, TX

#34286 Oct 15, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>It's the fault of spending more than you get. Both Republicans and Democrats are at fault; Senator Obama voted against the Continuing Resolution when Bush was President.
This is Obama's, the Senate's and the House's fault. At least the House is doing something; what we voted them in to do. We can fund every part of the government but Obamacare, or stop the tax.
how do you plan in funding government programs when all you are doing is cuts, cuts,cuts? Again, most people blame Republicans for all this Brian, face accountability when is due.

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#34287 Oct 16, 2013
That's right, "most people blame Republicans" for budget cuts and blame Obama and the Democrats for world record spending and debt. The majority don't want Obamacare.
Democratic USA

Houston, TX

#34288 Oct 16, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
That's right, "most people blam;e Republicans" for budget cuts and blame Obama and the Democrats for world record spending and debt. The majority don't want Obamacare.
obamacare is here, deal with it Brian.

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#34289 Oct 16, 2013
Democratic USA wrote:
obamacare is here, deal with it Brian.
Slavery was once the law; now it's not thanks to legislation.
ROCCO

Desert Hot Springs, CA

#34290 Oct 16, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Slavery was once the law; now it's not thanks to legislation.
Gay marriage was once not lawful in our country; now it is in many of our states (and will ultimately be lawful in the remainder of them), thanks to legislation, judicial action, and popular vote.

No retort necessary, Brian_G. Thanks for understanding.
Democratic USA

Houston, TX

#34291 Oct 16, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Slavery was once the law; now it's not thanks to legislation.
bigotry is unacceptable, the 2012 election is proof, your party now has a bad reputation, and sure did take a democrat (Obama) to prove what a failure republicans really are.

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