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“Psalms 27:14 HOPE! ”

Since: Dec 11

Cincinnati, Ohio

#2969 Mar 20, 2012
Wow wrote:
<quoted text>Would this be Patricia hinkle wright. She's one to be talking about god.
NOPE. I am Patty Hadley.
Passing Through

San Jose, CA

#2970 Mar 20, 2012
Pattiecake58 wrote:
<quoted text>
I see, so its Kentucky and Ohio you are insulting.
Is Cincinnati synonymous with the entire state of Ohio? I think not.
Pattiecake58 wrote:
and let me clue you in on a little FACT.......
cussing and cursing is what i rebuke as vulgar.
because it is.
cussing is not the same thing as saying something that you don't like.
It's not me that's deemed the word "f*g" vulgar and offensive; it's society in general. Enough so it's recognized as such in the dictionary.
Pattiecake58 wrote:
you can't cuss in school without getting punished for it.
you can't curse on the job without getting written up for it.
you can't go in a resturant and start spewing cuss words without being told to stop it or leave. because cussing IS vulgar.
Which all apply to the word "f*g". Thanks for admitting your use of the word "f*g" was vulgar.
Pattiecake58 wrote:
but calling something what it is, without the vile language is not being vulagar its being truthful.
anotherwords if someone rapes my ears with cuss words, thats offensive because the words are curses and foul and dirty.
but if someone tells me they hate the blouse i am wearing, or they don't like my shoes, or they call me a bible thumper, thats not vulgarity..........thats just their opinion.
So by the standards you've enumerated above, your use of the word "f*g" is vulgar and my use of "southern white trash" is not. So what exactly are you whining about?

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#2971 Mar 20, 2012
.. most people are bigoted in certain areas. Sometimes it takes a lifetime to overcome bias ..
.. my parents are prejudiced against blacks. As an adult, I realized how wrong they are and made an effort to learn about black culture, make friends with blacks. But even today, I somewhat fear black men. That means I have not yet completely overcome my prejudice. But, I will continue trying ..
.. you make no effort to understand gays ..
Pattiecake58 wrote:
<quoted text>
where do you get the idea that everyone must endorse what you do?
.. you are hopeless and will never make an effort to understand concepts. I do not think you are intellectually capable because of your religious addiction ..

.. read my post again.(above) Where do I ask you to endorse my sexuality ??..

“Psalms 27:14 HOPE! ”

Since: Dec 11

Cincinnati, Ohio

#2972 Mar 20, 2012
Passing Through wrote:
<quoted text>
Kentucky already passed a constitutional amendment in 2004 prohibiting recognition of gay marriage or any "legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals". Which means no civil unions or domestic partnerships either. And it passed with 75% of the vote.
<quoted text>
Marriage has been ruled a fundamental civil right of all US citizens by the US Supreme Court.
<quoted text>
Well, every state no longer recognizes that. Six states plus the District of Columbia allow same sex marriage and two additional states have passed laws to allow it which haven't taken effect yet. Plus the ban in California has twice been ruled unconstitutional in federal court and is being appealed yet again.
<quoted text>
Just because a minority group has historically been discriminated against doesn't justify the discrimination.
<quoted text>
For one thing, Kentucky bans those as well. Perhaps you should actually learn about the laws of the state in which you live before spouting ignorance. For another, in practice it's never worked as intended. Domestic partnerships aren't universally recognized in other states or by the federal government so it's neither portable when moving across state lines nor does it guarantee access to the same legal benefits and privileges that marriage does. As was the case with racial segregation, "separate is not equal". Further, multi-state employers subject to Federal ERISA legislation are exempt from state insurance mandates so even if a state mandates insurance coverage for domestic partners, many companies don't have to comply.
<quoted text>
Why should only heterosexual couples have access to the hundreds of federal and state benefits conferred by marriage? Gays pay taxes too. Why should they be treated differently?
<quoted text>
Immoral straight people marry all the time. So apparently immorality is not an obstacle to marriage either. Only bigotry against a disliked minority group.
<quoted text>
Since you're a lying hypocrite, you do wrong so apparently aren't doing right.
<quoted text>
You aren't accountable to God for the actions of others. Nor are you condoning homosexuality any more than you condone fornication by your failure to prohibit non-virgins from marrying or you failure to prohibit out of wedlock births.
thats right KY did. but i was not here in 2004 at that time. So again i didn't get to vote on the issue then, here.

but the supreme court has not mandated all states recognize it as legal either.

you are incorrect.
i know a gay person thru the last job i was at, in Lexington Ky.
and she is living with another woman in a domestic partnership and she gets total health care coverage thru the woman she lives with from her job at some hospital in Lex.
she gets tax breaks and health ins. and all the same things married folks get.
i heard her talking about it a few years ago.

“Psalms 27:14 HOPE! ”

Since: Dec 11

Cincinnati, Ohio

#2973 Mar 20, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. and, again you would be incorrect ..
.. I donate $50 @ month to FEED THE CHILDREN, a Christian organization that does wonderful work. Their administrative overhead is only 2% of their budget and it is a viable life source for children throughout the world ..
.. I donate $25 @ month to BEST FRIENDS, a no-kill animal sanctuary in UT ..
.. there are other organizations I support ..
.. what do you support ??..
you do understand that charities are not the same thing as 'TITHING' to your church don't you?

and i contribute to several missions that feed the poor, build orphanages, and help build places for people to live.
i support missionarys who risk their lives to go into remote places of the world and give medical aide to people.

but thats not the same thing as tithing.

“Psalms 27:14 HOPE! ”

Since: Dec 11

Cincinnati, Ohio

#2974 Mar 20, 2012
Passing Through wrote:
<quoted text>
Is Cincinnati synonymous with the entire state of Ohio? I think not.
<quoted text>
It's not me that's deemed the word "f*g" vulgar and offensive; it's society in general. Enough so it's recognized as such in the dictionary.
<quoted text>
Which all apply to the word "f*g". Thanks for admitting your use of the word "f*g" was vulgar.
<quoted text>
So by the standards you've enumerated above, your use of the word "f*g" is vulgar and my use of "southern white trash" is not. So what exactly are you whining about?
you can't figure it out?

you attack MY states,(KY and OHIO) and refer to me as 'southern white trash' FIRST, and then get all bent out of shape when i refer to Sanfranciso as 'fag-city'... when in reality it is considered the most 'gay of cities'....

what are YOU whining about?
Passing Through

San Jose, CA

#2975 Mar 20, 2012
Pattiecake58 wrote:
<quoted text>
so then you need to explain to me, what you mean by moving beyond voicing opposition of something to practicing discrimination, BECAUSE apparently in the minds of gays, VOICING opposition equates discrimination in their eyes.
Well, since you've advocated in the past against allowing same sex marriage to be legally recognized as well as advocated that businesses should be allowed to disobey anti-discrimination laws that conflict with their religious beliefs and you constantly whine about Christians being charged for violating laws meant to protect gays against discrimination, it seems likely you'd practice discrimination if given the opportunity. Or are you taking the coward's route of merely advocating for these things, and then sit by idly while others vote approval and then claim you didn't vote for it so you have no moral culpability for the discrimination?
Pattiecake58 wrote:
why don't you try TRY alittle honesty.
its not the group or individuals that are disliked.
it is the ACT of homosexuality that is dislikable based on the FACT and REALITY it is immoral behavior.
It's immoral based on your religious beliefs. So it's applicable only to those who adhere to the same beliefs. You can't force others to abide by your religious beliefs; they have freedom of religion, too, remember?
Pattiecake58 wrote:
NOT just because I think so, or because I say so, but because the Holy bible teaches against it.
The US isn't a Christian theocracy so it's irrelevant what the bible teaches about it; it's not applicable to secular law.
Pattiecake58 wrote:
no, i am not whining.
because any Christian KNOWS that persecution of the faith comes with the territory.
Just as any gay knows that persecution comes with the territory of being homosexual.

i
Pattiecake58 wrote:
ts expected and we consider the source from which it comes.
Ditto.

i
Pattiecake58 wrote:
ts not a problem for me.
If i am standing in front of a homosexuality and the conversation arises and i simply state that the bible says it is immorality and that i agree with God on the issue.
immediately i am regarded as hating that individual.
and that is where the lie is birthed.
that was my point.
you can't 'RIGHTLY' label folks as haters simply because they oppose something you are doing.
Then why do you call me a hater of God and the bible simply because I disagree with your religious beliefs?

“Psalms 27:14 HOPE! ”

Since: Dec 11

Cincinnati, Ohio

#2976 Mar 20, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. most people are bigoted in certain areas. Sometimes it takes a lifetime to overcome bias ..
.. my parents are prejudiced against blacks. As an adult, I realized how wrong they are and made an effort to learn about black culture, make friends with blacks. But even today, I somewhat fear black men. That means I have not yet completely overcome my prejudice. But, I will continue trying ..
.. you make no effort to understand gays ..
<quoted text>
.. you are hopeless and will never make an effort to understand concepts. I do not think you are intellectually capable because of your religious addiction ..
.. read my post again.(above) Where do I ask you to endorse my sexuality ??..
where do you ask that i endorse your sexual immorality?

every day.

you are asking me to accept it as morally right OR ELSE be called a bigot, hater, homophobe, and worse.

you expect me to agree with you or else be insulted as a religious fundie.

so, therefore you do ask me to agree with you OR be ridiculed for not agreeing with you.

DUH.
Passing Through

San Jose, CA

#2977 Mar 20, 2012
Pattiecake58 wrote:
<quoted text>
wow.
you give the meaning of spiritually blind a deeper root.
LOL
if you spent half as much time processing information insteading of hunting excuses to discredit everything YOU MIGHT suprise yourself.
Not everyone has the limited processing capacity of your brain. You shouldn't assume others have the same intellectual limitations as you.

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#2978 Mar 20, 2012
Pattiecake58 wrote:
<quoted text>
NOPE. I am Patty Hadley.
.. that's true. Pattiecake58 is Patty Hadley who also uses the Yellodog handle on Topix ..

.. let me put the pieces together for you:

1. Yellodog claimed to be a married woman.

2. Yellodog opened a CHRISTIAN MAN WANTED thread on Topix.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/russell-sprin...

3. Yellodog got caught. She switched her user name to Pattiecake58 in this forum.

4. Pattiecake58 thinks she can con everyone ..

5. Pattiecake58 continues to lie about not being Yellodog.

6. Pattiecake58 makes numerous mistakes in her posts proving she is Yellodog.

.. much to your detriment, you continue to reveal personal information and bundle everything into a nice little package for everyone to view. We now know you are a divorced woman living with your dog and mother ..

.. do you realize what you are doing is just another indication of your Personality Disorder? Have you ever wondered why you have no friends ??..

.. you've buried yourself ..
Passing Through

San Jose, CA

#2979 Mar 20, 2012
Pattiecake58 wrote:
<quoted text>
and what kind of individual are you to snippet part of a verse and misuse it.
read the entire chapter and you will discover that it is about HYPOCRITICAL judging and the verses following tell you TO judge.
read it all.
and when someone attacks Kentucky or Ohio as a trashy states
Odd. I called YOU southern white trash. I didn't make any generalizations about the entire states of Kentucky and Ohio. Just more of your lies.
Pattiecake58 wrote:
when they are promoting the spread of an immoral act to be made legal
Homosexuality is already legal. This is 2012, not 1012. Please join us in the right millennium.
Pattiecake58 wrote:
you better know i will stand up and call a duck, a duck.
And that's why I call lying hypocrites like you lying hypocrites. See how that works?

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#2981 Mar 20, 2012
Pattiecake58 wrote:
<quoted text>
i see where you are getting confused.
people (INDIVIDUALS) are not the same. Of course not.
but a lifestyle is how one lives their life.
Christianity IS a lifestyle.
because generally speaking Christians all believe the same thing
that God is God, creation, the bible, that God sent Jesus for the purpose of salvation.........Christians don't hang out with bad company (if they are living a christian life that is)
they go to church, read the bible, pray, and fellowship with other believers, and live a moral and Godly life.... VERSES the atheist who would be apt to live an UNgodly lifestyle and not do all those things believers do.
again, a lifestyle is how one lives their life.
Well, the fact that your generalization about Christians is itself inaccurate makes my point. There is no Christian lifestyle. You are correct that a lifestyle does describe how an individual lives their life, but that does not apply to a group. Thus: no Christian lifestyle, no gay lifestyle either. and when you use terms like "gay lifestyle", it just shows you haven't a clue what you are talking about. I mean honestly Patty, what do you really know about gay people anyway, either individually or as a group?
Ides of March

Russell Springs, KY

#2982 Mar 20, 2012
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. that's true. Pattiecake58 is Patty Hadley who also uses the Yellodog handle on Topix ..
.. let me put the pieces together for you:
1. Yellodog claimed to be a married woman.
2. Yellodog opened a CHRISTIAN MAN WANTED thread on Topix.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/russell-sprin...
3. Yellodog got caught. She switched her user name to Pattiecake58 in this forum.
4. Pattiecake58 thinks she can con everyone ..
5. Pattiecake58 continues to lie about not being Yellodog.
6. Pattiecake58 makes numerous mistakes in her posts proving she is Yellodog.
.. much to your detriment, you continue to reveal personal information and bundle everything into a nice little package for everyone to view. We now know you are a divorced woman living with your dog and mother ..
.. do you realize what you are doing is just another indication of your Personality Disorder? Have you ever wondered why you have no friends ??..
.. you've buried yourself ..
HL she also revealed recently she has free and clear title to a 7 year old 3BR house on 2 acre lot.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#2983 Mar 20, 2012
pattiecake58 wrote:
<quoted text>wrote:
show me what is vulgar about that statment.
the true statement about sanfranscio CA, being considered fag-city USA?
By who? Do you presume to speak for all of humanity? Or just every trailer park?
there is nothing vulagar about that.
Seriously, are you really that blind Patty?

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#2984 Mar 20, 2012
Pattiecake58 wrote:
<quoted text>where do you ask that i endorse your sexual immorality?
.. I have never asked you to endorse sexual immorality ..
Pattiecake58 wrote:
<quoted text>
you are asking me to accept it as morally right OR ELSE be called a bigot, hater, homophobe, and worse.
.. when you call gays abominations, immoral, sick, and perverted God-hating people, you will be called out as a bigot ..
Pattiecake58 wrote:
<quoted text>
you expect me to agree with you or else be insulted as a religious fundie.
.. I've never insulted your religious beliefs. I don't do that ..

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#2985 Mar 20, 2012
Ides of March wrote:
<quoted text>HL she also revealed recently she has free and clear title to a 7 year old 3BR house on 2 acre lot.
.. yep. Patty reveals personal information regularly and doesn't remember ..

.. if this information is ever used against her, she'll label it as criminal activity ..

.. seriously, I want to have compassion, to understand her. But, it's nearly impossible to communicate with a person suffering from a Personality Disorder. I'm responding to the disease, not the person ..

.. there are brief moments of clarity with Patty so there is hope ..
Passing Through

San Jose, CA

#2986 Mar 20, 2012
Pattiecake58 wrote:
<quoted text>
you are UNreal.
you said, "you don't have a constitutional right to NOT be called a hater."
what kind of half baked logic are you opperating on there?
The only half baked logic here is yours. You invoke free speech when it's convenient to justify what you want to say then whine when others do the same.
Pattiecake58 wrote:
sure, you can call me a hater because i oppose SSM.
but what you don't seem to get is that just because you CAN do something doesn't make it RIGHT always.
calling someone a hater because they oppose homosexuality... is NOT right.
you can do it, but that doesn't make you right when you do it.
thats the point.
And that's merely your opinion. Others are of the opinion opposing legal equality for gays and advocating discrimination against them is not right.
Pattiecake58 wrote:
that would be like me calling you tolerant of my faith...... i could say you are, but that wouldn't be right now would it?
LOL
I am tolerant of your faith. Sure, I don't agree with all your specific beliefs or bible interpretations. However, I don't tell you you can't express your faith here. I recognize your rights of free speech and religion. I don't advocate that your public profession of faith be criminalized or that you be prohibited from marrying because of your religious beliefs.

You see, I can be tolerant of those different from me without accepting the specific differences with which I disagree. Because at the end of the day, your profession of faith has no impact on me or others unless you move beyond mere expression of religious belief to active advocacy for or practice of discrimination against gays.
Pattiecake58 wrote:
maybe you have to feel as you do, to justify who you are....i don't know, maybe it makes it easier for you to see me and others as haters.
To be clear, I haven't actually called you a "hater" for expressing your religious beliefs. I've been addressing your complaint about being called such. And you've yet to respond at all why you can call me a hater of God and the bible and think nothing of it.
Pattiecake58 wrote:
whatever the reason, all i will say is that opposing something does not equate as hating someone.
I don't disagree with that.
Pattiecake58 wrote:
homosexuality is a behavior of sexual immorality.
No that's merely your religious belief. If your religious faith teaches that, it's incumbent upon you to comply with your faith. However, others who don't share your faith do not have a similar obligation. You can control only your behavior, not dictate the legal behavior of others.
Pattiecake58 wrote:
and people have and do walk away from it all the time.
So? People can and do walk away from Christianity all the time too. Does that mean Christians as a class of people should be prohibited from marrying?
Passing Through

San Jose, CA

#2987 Mar 20, 2012
Pattiecake58 wrote:
<quoted text>
thats right KY did. but i was not here in 2004 at that time. So again i didn't get to vote on the issue then, here.
And that constitutional amendment also prohibited any legal recognition of civil unions or domestic partnerships. So why wonder why gays won't settle for those when they're prohibited as well in Kentucky? What exactly do you expect gays to do? They're banned from everything; the voters of Kentucky were rather thorough in the implementation of their bigotry.
Pattiecake58 wrote:
but the supreme court has not mandated all states recognize it as legal either.
True, but then no case regarding same sex marriage has come before the US Supreme Court since the landmark Romer v Evans and Lawrence v Texas rulings changed the legal landscape for gays.
Pattiecake58 wrote:
you are incorrect.
Nope. I know more about this subject matter than you.
Pattiecake58 wrote:
i know a gay person thru the last job i was at, in Lexington Ky.
and she is living with another woman in a domestic partnership and she gets total health care coverage thru the woman she lives with from her job at some hospital in Lex.
she gets tax breaks and health ins. and all the same things married folks get.
i heard her talking about it a few years ago.
I didn't say companies couldn't voluntarily offer such benefits. I said certain companies (those subject to federal ERISA legislation) are exempt from state insurance mandates and can't be forced to offer domestic partner benefits against their will, regardless of state law. Since Kentucky also bans performance or recognition of domestic partnerships, your example is obviously a case where the company has voluntarily chosen to provided such benefits.

And the person in your example most certainly doe NOT get "tax breaks" because of their domestic partnership since DP's are not recognized by law in either Kentucky or by the federal government. In fact, the person through whom the partner gets the insurance is actually penalized from a tax standpoint because the value of the health insurance benefit for the partner is actually treated as taxable income by the federal government and is therefore subject to federal income taxes. Straight married people in a similar situation don't have health insurance benefits taxed.

As I stated above, you lack knowledge of the applicable federal law in such cases. Read up on ERISA and imputed taxable income for non married domestic partner health benefits, for starters.
Passing Through

San Jose, CA

#2988 Mar 20, 2012
Pattiecake58 wrote:
<quoted text>
you can't figure it out?
you attack MY states,(KY and OHIO) and refer to me as 'southern white trash' FIRST, and then get all bent out of shape when i refer to Sanfranciso as 'fag-city'... when in reality it is considered the most 'gay of cities'....
what are YOU whining about?
The words "southern white trash" are not vulgar by either your stated standards or the dictionary. You've been outspoken in your condemnation of vulgar language used by others and yet you employed vulgarity in retaliation to a simple, non-vulgar insult.

Proving once again you're a HYPOCRITE.
Passing Through

San Jose, CA

#2989 Mar 20, 2012
Pattiecake58 wrote:
<quoted text>
where do you ask that i endorse your sexual immorality?
every day.
you are asking me to accept it as morally right OR ELSE be called a bigot, hater, homophobe, and worse.
And you tell gays to quit participating in homosexual behavior or else be called immoral, an abomination, a God hater and worse. And you also advocate for laws that legalize discrimination against gays.
Pattiecake58 wrote:
you expect me to agree with you or else be insulted as a religious fundie.
You expect gays to agree with and abide by your religious beliefs or else be insulted as an immoral heathen.
Pattiecake58 wrote:
so, therefore you do ask me to agree with you OR be ridiculed for not agreeing with you.
DUH.
Ditto. Duh.

Seriously, how can you not see you do exactly what you accuse others of doing?

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