Gay Marriage Debate - Orange Park, FL

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lee

Middleburg, FL

#1 Jul 30, 2010
As a christain I beleive that marriage , as it is explained in the Bible. I realize that the Bible was written by man and has had different versions through the ages. Science argues a different view on gays. There is no argument that God made man and woman. The gay life is not normal as far as the sex practices that they write about. It is also not normal when hetrosexual people abuse people in sexual acts. Humans really do know for the most part when they are going against morals.
6570

Middleburg, FL

#2 Aug 2, 2010
Outside of God's word.
Karen

Middleburg, FL

#3 Aug 9, 2010
Morals and true family values.Americans have put up with to much of the left and the liberal views. These people aqre destroying our country
Caron

Middleburg, FL

#4 Aug 11, 2010
There is no way that gay marriage would not impact the view children will have on what is moral and what is not. What about the difference in how we are made by God physically.
Noel

Middleburg, FL

#5 Aug 13, 2010
Well what if every hetrosexual demanded a hetro prade-and then made fun of gay people.I would say very sick. Gay people have parades mocking God, mocking the Cathloic Church more than others. Plus why is it so important for the majority of our country to care about their private lives. There is not one thing normal about any group that is perveted.
Gena

Middleburg, FL

#6 Aug 14, 2010
This is not marriage. Gays make a farce out of God's word.
Gena

Middleburg, FL

#7 Aug 14, 2010
i just told you gays are mocking the wod of God.
Messah voussu

United States

#8 Aug 15, 2010
It is not natural ,it doesn't came from GOD
Paula

Middleburg, FL

#9 Aug 17, 2010
Why has this become such a debate? It isn't now or ever will be traditional marriage. Gays can make wills, buy homes together. They are hung up on having a marriage like a man marrying a woman. Same for two women. God made man and woman for marriage. Not two men having a farce of a wedding. Same goes for two women wanting to marry each other.

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#10 Dec 18, 2010
What exactly is God's word in relation to homosexuality? Its not God that hates it, its you. By "God's Word," I am assuming you all mean the Christian Bible. If that's the case then not a damn one of you knows what you are talking about.

Where does it state homosexuality is a sin? Let me guess...Sodom was destroyed for homosexual sins? No.

In Genesis 19, two angels are sent by God to judge the city of Sodom. When they arrive, the decide to rest in the town square, but an old man by the name of Lot approaches them and offers them his home. They kindly decline, but he insists and they go to his home. After they ate supper, but before they slept, a group of townsmen surround the house and order Lot to send out the two angels so that they may "know them carnally". This translates to sexual intercourse, but the question then becomes one of consent. For a clearer look at this, we can look at Judges, where a similar story is told.

In Judges 19, a Levite and his concubine are traveling. They decide to stop in a town called Gibeah and rest. They go to the town square, but an old man approaches them and offers his home. Like the angels, they kindly decline, but he pushes and they accept. After they ate, but before they slept, a group of townsmen surrounded the home and ordered the old man to send out the Levite so they could know him carnally. How the story differs is that the Levite sends out his concubine and the townsmen rape her and kill her. Anyone who truly knows scripture knows that nothing in scripture is an accident. If something sounds similar (nearly identical to be honest) there is a reason for it. Rape was used in those times to show dominance and humiliate people. Other passages in the Bible know that Sodom is defined as inhospitable and greedy. The town of Sodom was so greedy that anyone who came from outside threatened their lifestyle. They had to show dominance over them. This is why Sodom was judged.

No homosexual sins here...

What about Leviticus? In Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, it appears that homosexuality is condemned. Is it really? No. Anyone who truly knows scripture knows that you need to understand the original context. What the Bible did not mean 2000 years ago, it cannot mean now. In Leviticus 18, God is listing a series of acts which he defines as "Toevah" or "abomination." This doesn't necessarily mean "sin." For instance, most Christians that I know cut their hair, wear mixed fabrics, mix crops in their home gardens, and eat pork and shellfish. These things are "Toevah," not "sin." They are a violation of the Levitical Law, not of God's moral code. Additionally, some righteous people in scripture committed "Toevah" and were still right by God. For instance, Abraham and Sarah were brother and sister, as Sarah is claimed by Abraham to be his father's daughter. This a violation of Leviticus 18:9. Despite this, God grants them a son, Isaac, and declares Abraham to be righteous. Amram and Jochebed were aunt and nephew, but were gifted with their children Moses and Aaron. This was a violation of Leviticus 18:12, but God overlooked this apparent "sin." What's the point? Why didn't God punish them for their toevah? They lived before the Law. The Law was fulfilled in Christ, which allows for Christians to do the things I mentioned without punishment. The Law was written for a specific people, in a specific place, at a specific time. That is, the Law was intended for the Israelites after their flight out of Egypt to differentiate themselves from the morally ambiguous gentiles and establish themselves as God's people.

Even then, were Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 even referencing homosexuality? Not at all. In 18, the verse is placed in between child sacrifice and bestiality. In Leviticus 20, this is explained.

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#11 Dec 18, 2010
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"And if the people of the land should in any way hide their eyes from the man, when he gives some of his descendants to Molech, and they do not kill him, then I will set My face against that man and against his family; and I will cut him off from his people, and all who prostitute themselves with him to commit harlotry with Molech."

This is one of several examples of what is called "shrine prostitution" that are given in the Bible. Basically, young men and sometimes women would dress in effeminate clothing and makeup in apparent adoration of the fertility goddess Ashtoreth. They engage in sexual acts with both men and women and act as receptacles for semen, symbolically taking the seed to fertilize the goddess. This was done in glorification of Molech in addition to bestial acts and child sacrifice. Those verses in Leviticus are addressing shrine prostitution, not homosexuality specifically. This is sinful because it is idolatry, not because it’s gay.

In 1 Corinthians 6, Paul lists sins that will cause a man to lose the Kingdom of Heaven. Among these, according to some translations, are men who "abuse themselves with mankind." Other translations simply say, "homosexuals" or "homosexual offenders." Of course, any half-assed linguistic anthropologist or historian knows that the word "homosexual" did not exist at the time that Paul wrote his letters to the Corinthians. Instead, Paul employed the use of two words not commonly used for homosexuals at the time, "arsenokoitai" and "malakos". "Arseno" and "koitos" mean "man" and "bed", respectively, but they had never been combined until Paul did so in Corinthians. In the first century alone, meanings for the word varied as much as "pederast," "thief," and perhaps even "murderer." Malakos means "soft" or "effeminate" in Greek. Of course, as I stated, what scripture did not mean 2000 years ago, it cannot mean now. This is why, to understand the context, we should look at the writings of the Early Church Fathers, a group of early Bishops and Priests who wrote heavily about scripture and its meaning in the early years of Christianity. To them, homosexuality isn't mentioned a single time in scripture. Instead, Corinthians addresses pederasty, or the oft-sexual, loveless relationship between an adult male and a young boy (often an apprentice of some sort). This follows, as "malakos" can also mean "catamite" or the younger partner in a pederastic relationship. Arsenokoitai then translates to "pederast." So Corinthians doesn't condemn homosexuals, either.

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#12 Dec 18, 2010
What about Romans? In verse 1:27, it says, "Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due." Of course, this seems pretty clear, but the specific word used is "lust." What is lust? Let's ask Paul, the writer of this epistle. In Romans 7:7, Paul states, "...for I had not known lust, except the law had said,'Thou shalt not covet.'" Here, Paul uses "lust" to mean covetousness. The word in 1:27 is not the same word in Greek, but its definition is that of covet (i.e., extreme longing, envy). Therefore, lust is covetousness, which is a sin. What does it mean to covet? Is it simple envy, or is there more to it? People who covet something will hurt people to get what they want. In contrast, someone who merely desires something may think of something in a similar way to one who covets, but desire is simply a thought. The sin in Romans 1:27 is lust, not homosexuality. A homosexual couple can love one another completely without ever feeling lust toward one another. They have sexual desire, which is expressed through love, not lust.

Many people believe that God created animals to be heterosexual, and since homosexuality doesn't occur in nature, it is unnatural and therefore against God's plan. One problem: homosexuality is extremely common in nature. In fact, it has been observed in over 1100 different species of animals, with some (such as swans and flamingos) being in same-sex monogamous relationships for the majority of their lives.

In terms of marriage, yes God instituted the first marriage between a man and a woman. But why wouldn't he? In order for humankind to continue, it was necessary for the first couple to be fertile heterosexuals. But does this mean that a sexual relationship can only exist between fertile heterosexuals? Many Christians claim that sex exists solely for procreation. So then, is it a sin when a sterile couple has sexual relations?

Obviously, sex must be more than procreative. The Roman Catholic Church, an institution which nearly criminalizes homosexuality and alienates gays by stating it as "intrinsically disordered", states that it is not sinful for a man and a woman to engage in anal sex. Sex must then be defined as something more than procreative.

Indeed, sex is unitive. It brings a loving couple together in their feelings for one another. Sex is a gift from God, not something to be condemned, and it is important to remember that nowhere in scripture does it state, "Thou shall not love."

I can list several more arguments and examples. It goes on and on. The important thing is that to be truly Christian is to love everything that God loves, whereas to be a false Christian is to make God hate whatever you hate.

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#13 Dec 18, 2010
I recommend that all Christians who discriminate, or worse, watch the Lifetime Movie "Prayers for Bobby." It is the true story of a young man who realized he was gay. His evangelical Presbyterian mother tried and tried to get him to change. He went to therapy, put notes with Bible verses, lived a life of prayer, and more but nothing changed. He felt as those God himself hated him simply because Christianity did. He left home and got into a relationship with a man, but the pressures from his family and their need for him to change became so enormous that he did a back flip off of a highway overpass and was killed by a passing truck. After his suicide, his mother struggled with her faith, eventually meeting a Metropolitan Community Church pastor who correctly informed her that her son was not a sinner for being gay. She realized that she had killed her son, and she renounced organized religion to become closer to God in her own personal way. She spoke out against homophobia in the Church, and cautioned Christians everywhere to think about the children who are listening while they echo "Amen." Sigourney Weaver stars as Bobby’s mother in the film.

I hope that some of you can get past your prejudices enough to consider what I am telling you. Just because the man in the collar at the front of your church says something, it doesn’t mean he’s right.

God Bless.
corinne

Orange Park, FL

#14 Jan 17, 2012
using the bible as an excuse as to why gay marriage is "wrong" is just ignorant. what does it matter to you what everyone else does? don't like gay marriage? then it's a good thing you don't have to get one.
Bri

Washington, NJ

#15 Jan 17, 2012
Whoa no no no NO Orange Park, you are doing it wrong.

Through the power of the internet, Corinne has summoned me to teach you about love and marriage and equality.

Let's get started, shall we?

Okay!

I am totally 100% Christian. Believe me, I've read the bible through in church, and I've heard the shit people throw out there at gays. Marriage IS NOT just between a man and a woman. You say homosexuality isn't natural? Neither is a talking snake. I don't understand how anybody can look at two people in love and deny them eternal union. That's wrong, on so many levels.

You act as if gays and lesbians CHOOSE to be so. They don't. They do not wake up one day and say, "Hey, you know what? Today, I want to be gay!" That is not how it works. It's a long road, coming to terms and then learning to accept your sexuality, knowing that poeple like YOU GUYS will object their love and compassion. It's hard to realize just how terrible it is to come to terms with being gay or lesbian, or even bi-sexual if you aren't. Just because your mother and father, friends or even PASTOR say that homosexuality is a sin, doesn't mean it is.You may say the bible objects homosexuality, but heres some MORE things the bible objects:

Shaving (Leviticus 19:27)
Cursing (Ephesians 5:4)
Gossip (Leviticus 19:16)
Football on Saturdays (Exodus 20:8)
Eating lobster (Leviticus 11:10)
Eating Pork (Leviticus 11:7)
Cotton/Polyester blends (Leviticus 19:19)
and look at this, girls! ASSOCIATING WITH WOMEN WHO ARE HAVING THEIR PERIODS (LEVITICUS 15:19-10)

Hey guys, have you talked to people while on your period? SINNER.
Have you played/watched football on a Saturday? SINNER.
Have you eaten lobster or pork? SINNER
Look at your shirt, pants and socks. Cotton/Polyester blend? SINNER.
Ever gossiped? SINNER.
Saved your pits recently? SINNER.
Ever said fuck? SINNER!

Look! Look at the things you do daily that God frowns upon! Tell me, okay, look at me and tell me that you've never done any of these things.

Now look at me and tell me two people in love should not be married.

I thought so. Don't you DARE click that "oppose" button.

I hope after reading that, you re-thing your "morals"
Bri

Washington, NJ

#16 Jan 17, 2012
See my last post.
Pepper

Middleburg, FL

#17 Jan 17, 2012
Supported because it is what's right. Love is love.
Ray

Orange Park, FL

#18 Jan 17, 2012
Support love.
Nathan

Orange Park, FL

#19 Jan 17, 2012
Everyone is so stuck on morals.. No one has thought about the true happiness of someone's love life.. Americans need to step off their high horse, and let go of other people's business.
Vicky Leininger

Orange Park, FL

#20 Jan 17, 2012
Why would I not support a human's right to marry the person they love?(who is of legal age and not related by blood of course.)

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