Gay Marriage Debate - Oklahoma City, OK

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“Put the X Back in X-Mas.”

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#1759
Jul 13, 2011
 
Brian_G wrote:
I'm able to make my argument without insult.
Since when?

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#1760
Jul 13, 2011
 
Brian_G wrote:
Keeping drivers licenses out of the hands of the blind discriminates against the sight challenged. Keeping marriage male/female is like husband/wife and father/mother. Neat natural law.
So keeping marriage from homosexual couples is the same as keeping the blind from driving? No. The blind are not currently able to operate a vehicle because they lack the necessary ability of sight which is required to drive. The homosexual does not lack anything to be married, and therefore should be able to be married. Denying them marriage is to discriminate based on sexual orientation.

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#1761
Jul 14, 2011
 
Homosexuals are able to marry, under the same law as heterosexuals. Tribal orientation politics, is there anything else so low?

Necrophiliacs can marry, but not in accord with their predilection. Our society recognizes marriage standards. The ideal is husband/wife leading to father/mother. Why disregard this natural biological order?

Humans don't have much in the way of instinct, but we do have culture. Same sex marriage is a step into prehistory, a bad step in the dark. Keeping marriage between husband and wife is an act of kindness. Reality is tough love.

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#1762
Jul 14, 2011
 
Brian_G wrote:
Keeping marriage between husband and wife is an act of kindness. Reality is tough love.
Discrimination only sucks when it affects you.....right?

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Jul 14, 2011
 
We discriminate between male and female every day. This discrimination are in our language, part of our thoughts and actions. You wouldn't call a woman, "Sir", or a man, "Mam."

Reality, that's tough love, baby.

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#1764
Jul 15, 2011
 
Brian_G wrote:
Homosexuals are able to marry, under the same law as heterosexuals. Tribal orientation politics, is there anything else so low?
Necrophiliacs can marry, but not in accord with their predilection. Our society recognizes marriage standards. The ideal is husband/wife leading to father/mother. Why disregard this natural biological order?
Humans don't have much in the way of instinct, but we do have culture. Same sex marriage is a step into prehistory, a bad step in the dark. Keeping marriage between husband and wife is an act of kindness. Reality is tough love.
Homosexual marriages are not legally recognized. Necrophiliacs cannot marry because the other party cannot give informed consent, unless they do so beforehand - then it's no problem. Please look up the definition of culture - it is not an instinct but learned and changed from generation to generation. Restricting marriage to heterosexual couples is simply discrimination.

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Jul 15, 2011
 
It's discrimination between male and female, the Equal Rights Amendment failed, there are no Constitutional right to gender equality. It's wrong to have separate toilets for different races but having a men's room and a women's room is only common sense.
Susan says necrophiliac marriage (when entered before death) is no problem; just like same sex marriage. This is why marriage equality is ersatz equality, bad for society and homosexuals both.

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Jul 15, 2011
 
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Jul 15, 2011
 
brianbrianbrian....you really need to read a bit better....necrophiliac marriage is not nor can it be legal since secular law applies to legally alive humans.
and again, for maybe the 5th or 6th time, the u.s. constitution applies to us all, male and female, no matter race, and assures us all the same rights and priviliges of being an american citizen and living in america. which, you don't live in america - you live in germany. so you have to live your life by german laws. our laws and our constitution do not apply to foreign countries.
if you want the exact verbiage of the u.s. constitution go back & re-read this and other threads. i've posted it for you numerous times.

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Jul 15, 2011
 
America is not a secular nation. We have a Constitutional right to our religious beliefs.

Necrophiliacs enter their marriage before death, the same way same sex couples would. A problem with one is a problem with both. Bigotry and intolerance against necrophiliacs and other sexual predilections isn't tolerated on this thread.
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Jul 15, 2011
 
Brian_G wrote:
America is not a secular nation. We have a Constitutional right to our religious beliefs.
Necrophiliacs enter their marriage before death, the same way same sex couples would. A problem with one is a problem with both. Bigotry and intolerance against necrophiliacs and other sexual predilections isn't tolerated on this thread.
brian, you really need a dictionary to get the correct meaning of necrophilia.
america's laws are secular. they are not biblical - or we'd be living in similar conditions to the taliban.
just for your edification (now there's a new word for you brian):
from merriam webster on line -
necrophilia
: obsession with and usually erotic interest in or stimulation by corpses

you're the only one exhibiting any interest in corpses.

if bigotry isn't tolerated in this thread, then what are you doing still posting? you've exhibited more bigotry against same sex marriage than anyone else with well over 20k posts.
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Jul 18, 2011
 
I agree with same sex marriage because we are in a country where we have freedom but we dont have freedom to marry whom we choose where is our Equality ?

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Jul 18, 2011
 
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Homosexual marriages are not legally recognized. Necrophiliacs cannot marry because the other party cannot give informed consent, unless they do so beforehand - then it's no problem. Please look up the definition of culture - it is not an instinct but learned and changed from generation to generation. Restricting marriage to heterosexual couples is simply discrimination.
It is discrimination between male/female, like husband/wife or groom/bride. Necrophilia marriage is distinction between living and dead. Can anyone explain why the consent of a corpse is required? Marriage did not always require the consent of the bride and groom, but it still required a man and a woman.

The male/female nature is more fundamental than consent. Courts have no jurisdiction over natural law. There is no marriage distinction against homosexuals, no orientation test for marriage and homosexuals have married in the past, are married now or will in the future.

The radical redefinition of basic social institution or ersatz equality; take your pick.
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Jul 18, 2011
 
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>It is discrimination between male/female, like husband/wife or groom/bride. Necrophilia marriage is distinction between living and dead. Can anyone explain why the consent of a corpse is required? Marriage did not always require the consent of the bride and groom, but it still required a man and a woman.
The male/female nature is more fundamental than consent. Courts have no jurisdiction over natural law. There is no marriage distinction against homosexuals, no orientation test for marriage and homosexuals have married in the past, are married now or will in the future.
The radical redefinition of basic social institution or ersatz equality; take your pick.
no one will be prvented from marrying someone of their choosing, so long as they're of legal age and not related.
no existing marriage will be dissolved, unless it's the partipant's choice.
you're really going overboard and stretching with your, er, pointless points, bi.

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Jul 19, 2011
 
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>It is discrimination between male/female, like husband/wife or groom/bride. Necrophilia marriage is distinction between living and dead. Can anyone explain why the consent of a corpse is required? Marriage did not always require the consent of the bride and groom, but it still required a man and a woman.
The male/female nature is more fundamental than consent. Courts have no jurisdiction over natural law. There is no marriage distinction against homosexuals, no orientation test for marriage and homosexuals have married in the past, are married now or will in the future.
The radical redefinition of basic social institution or ersatz equality; take your pick.
Brian, you are trying to compare apples and oranges and using faulty logic at that. Saying that two competent adults cannot marry unless one person is male and one is female is discriminating due to sexual orientation from a governmental standpoint. It is that simple. It is the right of the individual religions to refuse to marry couples that do not meet their respective qualifications. But to apply any religion's marrying qualifications in a law creates a law based on religion - a no-no

Let me be clear. I am a Christian. I do believe Christ is my personal Lord and Savior. I do believe my religion mandates a male-female marriage. However, the government that I choose to support - the American government, should not be able to restrict any marraiges to male-female partners. That is discrimination based on sexual orientation as well as using religious laws to create our government's laws. The government should ensure that both partners are mentally competent, are entering the marriage of their own free will and without coercion, and either relatively disease-free or acknowledge that one or both partners have an non-curable STD.
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Jul 20, 2011
 
well said, susancf.

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Jul 20, 2011
 
SusanCF wrote:
Brian, you are trying to compare apples and oranges and using faulty logic at that.
I am comparing man and woman, husband and wife are natural mates.
SusanCF wrote:
Saying that two competent adults cannot marry unless one person is male and one is female is discriminating due to sexual orientation from a governmental standpoint.
Nonsense, there is no law homosexuals can't marry, just two men can't marry each other, they could marry lesbian couple, that's legal. Orientation has nothing to do with keeping marriage between husband and wife, Oscar Wilde wrote some fantastic romantic comedy, he was gay, married and had children. It's only when folks violate the natural instinct, cultural moralality and legal family law, that things get messy.
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It is that simple. It is the right of the individual religions to refuse to marry couples that do not meet their respective qualifications. But to apply any religion's marrying qualifications in a law creates a law based on religion - a no-no
Nor has same sex marriage, anything to do with religion. If you want to be in a religion that recognizes same sex marriage, fine; but that does not give you the right to redefine marriage. Religious law was created to protect social institutions, like marriage, family and public interaction. I don't care what you believe, I care what you write and how you act. Legal law often follows religious custom, but in democracy, the individual is sovereign, public consensus and will are legitimate, autocracy is not, even from the judiciary.
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Let me be clear. I am a Christian. I do believe Christ is my personal Lord and Savior. I do believe my religion mandates a male-female marriage. However, the government that I choose to support - the American government, should not be able to restrict any marraiges to male-female partners. That is discrimination based on sexual orientation as well as using religious laws to create our government's laws. The government should ensure that both partners are mentally competent, are entering the marriage of their own free will and without coercion, and either relatively disease-free or acknowledge that one or both partners have an non-curable STD.
"[T]the American government, should not be able to restrict any marraiges to male-female partners." Why not? You demand government "insurance" of mental competency, and blood tests and limited medical disclosure; those aren't the law in any of the 50 US states. Not that it's not a good idea, but you don't have the right to redefine marriage. Taking marital advice from someone who can't relate to the opposite sex, problematic at best, disastrous at worst.

I don't advocate discrimination based on orientation; I love husband/wife marriage; the perfect and ideal quota. Anything less is unfair to boys and girls, men and women; everyone. I don't care about your orientation, I care about public behavior. Same sex marriage is gross.

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Jul 20, 2011
 
Marriage has always been husband and wife, throughout history and on every continent. Just because "separation of church and state", a bizarre view of Constitution and law, does not mean every religious law is wrong, because it is a religious law. We have Biblical injunctions against murder and treason; in some of our glorious 50 states, we have Biblical punishment and penitence.
Bill Don Alverson, 39, was executed Thursday night by Oklahoma for his role in the killing of convenience store worker Richard Yost in 1995.

His last meal was a large pepperoni and sausage pizza, accompanied by a large Dr. Pepper. And his last words:I would like to say to the Yost family, Im sorry, forgive me. To my own family, Im all right.
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2011/01/07/oklahoma-...

There is nothing wrong with religious and government law coinciding, that's how society functions. I really don't care about Sue's faith, I care about how she disrupts social order by promoting same sex marriage. People's words and actions reflect faith, not self proclamation. I seldom call people "liar", I'm not Christian and I doubt Sue is a Christian; better she is mistaken or ignorant, maybe it's my mistake.
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#1777
Jul 20, 2011
 
God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve!!
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Jul 20, 2011
 
oppose...contrary to your belief, god made steve as well, just like he did you and i.

and your ridiculous re-posting of the same nonsense really is quite repititive and unoriginal. it won't convince anyone to change from homosexuality to heterosexuality just because of a rhyme.

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