Gay Marriage Debate - Oklahoma City, OK

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“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

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#2575 Apr 17, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
finally you get it that men and women are equal before and under the law. i'm so glad you finally understand that! now, maybe the conversation can proceed. the discussion relates to THE LAWS of this nation & nothing else. is that clear, brian? don't confuse yoruself by tossing in other stuff, ok?
The law of the Federal government and Oklahoma's Constitution define marriage as one man and one woman. Glad that's settled.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#2576 Apr 17, 2013
you are trying to force your lifestyle on everyone else. We don't want your lifestyle staining the institution of marriage. try again
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#2577 Apr 17, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>The law of the Federal government and Oklahoma's Constitution define marriage as one man and one woman. Glad that's settled.
both Prop 8 & DOMA cases recently heard by SCOTUS will change all that, brian.

so, no, they're not settled.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#2578 Apr 17, 2013
you don't respect states rights and you aren't satisfied with civil unions. That tells me that what you really want is for your lifestyle choice to be legitimized and accepted. That will lead to hate speech crimes and it being taught in elementary school to brainwash an entire generation. You never told me how you can reconcile being a Christian and a homo at the same time. Oh thats right you really can't
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#2579 Apr 17, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
you are trying to force your lifestyle on everyone else. We don't want your lifestyle staining the institution of marriage. try again
youe just ticked because of the word "marriage" being used.

1. the term "marriage" in public secular law is a legal term and is used as such in legal documents and contracts.

2. neither you nor your church "own" the word marriage. however, it is up to you to define and construct your own marriage as you see fit - just like anyone else that enters into the legal state of marriage. if you feel it's "stained" that's on you - the laws don't reflect feelings or beliefs - they're enacted and enforced for everyone, equally on everyone.

keep trying, lil' buddy.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#2580 Apr 17, 2013
again.....ultimately you want your lifestyle legitimized. It just kills you that people think homosexuality is terrible.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#2581 Apr 17, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
you don't respect states rights and you aren't satisfied with civil unions. That tells me that what you really want is for your lifestyle choice to be legitimized and accepted. That will lead to hate speech crimes and it being taught in elementary school to brainwash an entire generation. You never told me how you can reconcile being a Christian and a homo at the same time. Oh thats right you really can't
stop putting words in my mouth, anti. really.

i respect states rights. the fed stepping in and saying who can get married isn't anything new - remember loving v. virginia? scotus declared laws in 7 states as unconstitutional (read : illegal). the precedent has been set. additionally, a broader national defintion was also set with DOMA - didn't hear people whining about "states rights" then, did you? and now, with DOMA on the brink of being declared unconstitutional, suddenly, that matters to you? what a joke. you're the one that just wants things their way and forget everyone else. as long as you're happy, screw everyone else.

the issues surround the rights and priviliges extended by the federal government to legally married couples - and that's why the fed is being asked to reconsider the validity of DOMA. the fed already stepped in - and apparantly, incorrectly so.

i've already told you i'm a christian anti - it really rankles your hide doesn't it that someone can wear that cloak you try to clutch away from anyone else's grasp. i don't have to justify anything to you - you're the one that doesn't accept me into the christian "club" - when it's not up to you in the first dang place. if i were trying join you church, you might have a voice in that....but, well, shucks, i don't want to step foot in your church anti. i don't want to financially support it either. i don't believe as you do. but i'm not the one trying to get you to believe and follow my faith as you're expecting me to follow yours. what you really want is all the other churches and denominations to find another word besides "christian" and you guys are the only ones allowed to call yourselves as such.
LOL. not going to happen lil'buddy.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#2582 Apr 17, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
again.....ultimately you want your lifestyle legitimized. It just kills you that people think homosexuality is terrible.
you're funny, really funny. but don't quit your day job lil' buddy.

as in the secular laws of this nation - i don't care how you think feel or believe. what matters is the laws.

it kills YOU sweetcheeks that the majority of americans disagree with you. check out the latest polling figures - even the polling figures over the past couple of years. you'd see the trend then.

but, sadly, anti doesn't believe numbers, facts or data. well, sadly for him.

good luck lil' buddy. you're going to be needing it in the coming months as you come to terms with the national legalization of same sex marriage.

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#2583 Apr 17, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
again.....ultimately you want your lifestyle legitimized. It just kills you that people think homosexuality is terrible.
sexual orientation isn't a lifestyle and this is about legal discrimination not "legitimacy" your ignorant bigotry won't be threatened.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#2584 Apr 17, 2013
if you are so confident that most americans want gay marriage then why are gays terrified to put it to a vote again? They know it won't pass and the only way they can legalize it is with liberal judges.
You can claim to be a Christian all you want, but homosexuality is clearly wrong. You have no answer for me on that issue because you have dodged it for months. You know in your heart that you are living in a sinful lifestyle.

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#2585 Apr 17, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
you are trying to force your lifestyle on everyone else. We don't want your lifestyle staining the institution of marriage. try again
equality isn't a "stain" Adolph. And no, idiot, homosexuality is not a lifestyle and is not being forced on anybody. The last civil rights movement didn't turn anyone black...

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#2586 Apr 17, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
you don't respect states rights and you aren't satisfied with civil unions. That tells me that what you really want is for your lifestyle choice to be legitimized and accepted. That will lead to hate speech crimes and it being taught in elementary school to brainwash an entire generation. You never told me how you can reconcile being a Christian and a homo at the same time. Oh thats right you really can't
This is about human rights, not "states rights" and hell no civil unions is not going to cut it.
Simple equality--nothing more is asked. Nothing less is acceptable.
And it is vile blasphemy, an insult to Jesus, to claim being a Christian requires being heterosexual. There are many excellent Christians who happen to be gayyou cannot reconcile being a Christian and a bigot, however.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#2587 Apr 17, 2013
well first of gay darren.....being black and being gay are two totally different things.

Uh oh darren I knew you couldn't write more than a paragraph without using the "b" word. How many times have I told you this now? Try thinking for yourself man and stop parroting your crazy left wing friends. You can live a gay lifestyle and be a Christian if you repent and stop living that lifestyle. You want God to accept your gayness and are unrepentant. See the conflict? Of course you don't
NotPrejudiced

Oklahoma City, OK

#2588 Apr 17, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>The law of the Federal government and Oklahoma's Constitution define marriage as one man and one woman. Glad that's settled.
For now it is settled Brian but gay marriage WILL become legal soon...sooner than you think. And once it is law we have to abide by those laws. The Bible says follow the laws of your land.:)
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#2589 Apr 17, 2013
as long as they don't conflict with God's laws which homosexuality obviously does.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

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#2590 Apr 17, 2013
NotPrejudiced wrote:
For now it is settled Brian but gay marriage WILL become legal soon...sooner than you think. And once it is law we have to abide by those laws. The Bible says follow the laws of your land.:)
The law now defines marriage as one man and one woman. The Supreme Court has already reviewed our anti-polygamy laws and found them Constitutional, now they'll do the same for same sex marriage.

Most people reject gender segregation; we don't want gender apartheid marriage despoiling perfectly integrated and diverse male/female marriage.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#2591 Apr 18, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
if you are so confident that most americans want gay marriage then why are gays terrified to put it to a vote again? They know it won't pass and the only way they can legalize it is with liberal judges.
You can claim to be a Christian all you want, but homosexuality is clearly wrong. You have no answer for me on that issue because you have dodged it for months. You know in your heart that you are living in a sinful lifestyle.
because, lil' buddy, private citizens do not vote on the civil rights of everyone. that's how our system works. i know my eldest went over this in his high school civics class. i remember going over that material when i was in high school. maybe you need to refer to your notes from back then to refresh your memory of how our system of government works.

sweetheart.....how about your sin? your daily sins? you have no room to talk if you want to point out other's ways and you can't fix your own problems. when you get past your sinning ways, you might have a leg to stand on.

i keep trying to tell you - it's about the laws. we don't live in a theocracy. neither you nor your chosen denomination can dictate to anyone else that does not choose to follow your faith. or did you miss that in civics class too?

and again - what does "ALL" mean in the constitution?
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#2592 Apr 18, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
as long as they don't conflict with God's laws which homosexuality obviously does.
the laws don't tell you who to sleep with - they don't even tell you to restrict yourself to you legal spouse.

you'll still be able to be YOU anti. sadly. unedited. unchanged. mean spirited and selfish.

anti, your purpose here i think is to push me to be a kinder person, to be more accepting and to open my heart a little more and pray for you. that's the lesson i'm learning from you. and i have to thank you for that.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#2593 Apr 18, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>The law now defines marriage as one man and one woman. The Supreme Court has already reviewed our anti-polygamy laws and found them Constitutional, now they'll do the same for same sex marriage.
Most people reject gender segregation; we don't want gender apartheid marriage despoiling perfectly integrated and diverse male/female marriage.
well, brian, that's your opinion.

i tend to agree with the seated judges that have already ruled that Prop 8 and DOMA are in fact, unconstitutional. i tend to believe that SCOTUS will agree with those judges and uphold their rulings and findings. nowhere has a judge agreed with you or your side's arguments in court. in every case, before every judge, they couldn't successfully defend either Prop 8 or DOMA - they've failed and failed brilliantly. they have not had the evidence to support their reasoning for keeping those laws.
come on now

Bolingbrook, IL

#2594 Apr 18, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
as long as they don't conflict with God's laws which homosexuality obviously does.
Divorce conflicts with Gods Law... when you going to try to make that illegal?

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