Gay Marriage Debate - Oklahoma City, OK

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“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

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#2313 Mar 21, 2013
come on now wrote:
...There are FAR more anti ssm who bully than the other way around...
I've been recording bullying and insults from same sex marriage supporters to prove the harm from same sex marriage. Does 'come on now' have citations for his claims about male/female marriage protectors?
come on now

Bolingbrook, IL

#2314 Mar 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I've been recording bullying and insults from same sex marriage supporters to prove the harm from same sex marriage. Does 'come on now' have citations for his claims about male/female marriage protectors?
More than you could begin to list
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#2315 Mar 21, 2013
not sure about that. Pro gay advocates seem to be extremely volatile and militant. If you are against ssm you get labeled as a bigot, etc. and ridiculed.
Fred Niggemeyer

Oklahoma City, OK

#2317 Mar 22, 2013
The tide is turning.
STOP the hate.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#2318 Mar 22, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
heart please quit attempting to disguise yourself as being a christian when its obvious you aren't. Just admit where you are coming from and that will help everyone understand your opinions which are obviously atheistic.
i cannot nor will i ever deny my faith.

unlike yourself, i don't expect everyone else to think, feel or believe just like i do. and since i don't have those expectations, i don't expect the laws of this nation to be reflective of my chosen faith.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#2319 Mar 22, 2013
John Eberly wrote:
Queers purposefully degraded all of the local government pre-conditions for a marriage license.
Queers used shyster lawyer methods to eliminate all legal grounds for denying a couple a marriage license.
Before queers stuck their nose in other peoples business, many local governments could disqualify for licensing any persons that had any of these ethical failings.
sodomy conviction
elective abortion
STD
obscenity conviction
child endangerment
prostitution
poverty
mental deficiency
you might actually want to get some real facts and data to support your accusations, there, buddy. otherwise, you're just blowing smoke.(otherwise known as lieing)
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#2320 Mar 22, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>We are all equal before the law,
THIS IS THE CRUX OF THE SAME SEX MARRIAGE DEBATE, BRIAN.

the laws are written in such a way as to create a second class citizen of homosexuals. this has been proven and upheld in court.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#2321 Mar 22, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
The godless, pagan culture of those times reminds me of what is probably coming in our near future. Its like it is coming full circle and we never learn from our mistakes. Its funny because those today think they are being so "modern" when in actuality it has all happened before. We are once again turning into a pagan, Godless society which will not end well.
then keep on going to church, unplug your cable or satellite television reception and stay off the internet so you won't be offended by other's rights or free speech.

good luck.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#2322 Mar 22, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
newsflash it is NOT okay if a child has 2 fathers. Only in your gay world is that okay.
Who has been threatened with what?
pastors are already being threatened with hate speech for speaking out against homosexuality.
newsflash - it's only in your world that you think that it's wrong to have same sex parents.

most psychological and medical professional accredidation organizations disagree with you based up on scientific studies.

good luck.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#2323 Mar 22, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
not sure about that. Pro gay advocates seem to be extremely volatile and militant. If you are against ssm you get labeled as a bigot, etc. and ridiculed.
and your name calling in this and other threads is also noted, anti.

your shackels are raised if someone responds to you the same way you treat them. you ignore what you write, what your tone is that prompts the responses YOU get.

good luck.

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#2324 Mar 22, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
THIS IS THE CRUX OF THE SAME SEX MARRIAGE DEBATE, BRIAN. the laws are written in such a way as to create a second class citizen of homosexuals. this has been proven and upheld in court.
That's completely untrue, homosexuals have always married under the same laws as everyone else. I cite Oscar Wilde and Meredith Baxter for two examples; I believe it's because they wanted their kids raised by the child's mother and father.

Polygamists are second class citizens, in Oklahoma if they are convicted, they are treated as felons. There's no law against a same sex religious wedding, traveling to a jurisdiction that permits same sex marriage for a wedding, asking people to treat them as if they were married or negotiating with employers for dependent benefits.

If we were to treat homosexuals as equals, we wouldn't need to rewrite marriage laws for everyone. Then, we wouldn't add a new gender apartheid to perfectly integrated and diverse male/female marriage.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#2325 Mar 22, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>That's completely untrue, homosexuals have always married under the same laws as everyone else. I cite Oscar Wilde and Meredith Baxter for two examples; I believe it's because they wanted their kids raised by the child's mother and father.
Polygamists are second class citizens, in Oklahoma if they are convicted, they are treated as felons. There's no law against a same sex religious wedding, traveling to a jurisdiction that permits same sex marriage for a wedding, asking people to treat them as if they were married or negotiating with employers for dependent benefits.
If we were to treat homosexuals as equals, we wouldn't need to rewrite marriage laws for everyone. Then, we wouldn't add a new gender apartheid to perfectly integrated and diverse male/female marriage.
your belief of their reasons for marrying are mere supposition - guesses at best.

you cannot deny that which that has been entered into court documents and ruled upon. you're not a seated judge, brian. those findings have been upheld in every appeal that's been filed. the law suits weren't even defended by either the state or DOJ attornies - the opposing party (republicans) had to hire a set of attornies to defend both DOMA and Prop 8. the only remaining level of scrutiny that remains is SCOTUS - and those hearings will occur later this month (next week I believe) with the findings to be published in June. based on what I've read, and many legal scholars have written, i believe the judge's ruling will be upheld, as they based upon sound Constitutional principles. agree or disagree with the judges, it just doesn't matter, brian. you're not a legal scholar or judge. you're just an expat thats chosen to live in germany. with all due respect, your legal understanding doesn't hold water when compared to that of licensed attornies and seated judges.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#2326 Mar 22, 2013
pretty much every time its put to a vote its voted down. Even in liberal california.
come on now

Bolingbrook, IL

#2327 Mar 22, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
pretty much every time its put to a vote its voted down. Even in liberal california.
Funny think is it is a civil rights issue... not up for a vote/
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#2328 Mar 22, 2013
right..........force your sick lifestyle on states that don't want it through a few liberal judges...wonderful. Again, stop piggy backing on the backs of african americans no pun intended.
come on now

Bolingbrook, IL

#2329 Mar 22, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
right..........force your sick lifestyle on states that don't want it through a few liberal judges...wonderful. Again, stop piggy backing on the backs of african americans no pun intended.
gee... were women piggy backing?... other minorities ..
No they were all american citizens just like the ssc. They just like the ssc deserve equal treatment.....
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#2330 Mar 22, 2013
gee come..........hard to believe you can't see the difference. You don't choose your race or your sex. Comprende? Its not that hard. Gays are making a mockery out of civil rights probably because its the only card they can play and get some less intelligent citizens to actually believe it.

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#2331 Mar 23, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
your belief of their reasons for marrying are mere supposition - guesses at best.
I've read accounts from Wilde's and Baxter's children, they were good parents. Gays have always married under the same laws as everyone else; there's no reason to change marriage laws since there's no discrimination against homosexuals.

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heartandmind wrote:
you cannot deny that which that has been entered into court documents and ruled upon.
Gays aren't second class citizens, they have always have the same rights as everyone else.

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heartandmind wrote:
you're not a seated judge, brian. those findings have been upheld in every appeal that's been filed.
The judge that decided California's Prop 8 case was gay, in a long term relationship who directly profited by his ruling.

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heartandmind wrote:
the law suits weren't even defended by either the state or DOJ attornies - the opposing party (republicans) had to hire a set of attornies to defend both DOMA and Prop 8.
That just proves the Obama administration is incompetent; the job of the Executive is to defend our laws.

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heartandmind wrote:
the only remaining level of scrutiny that remains is SCOTUS - and those hearings will occur later this month (next week I believe) with the findings to be published in June. based on what I've read, and many legal scholars have written, i believe the judge's ruling will be upheld, as they based upon sound Constitutional principles. agree or disagree with the judges, it just doesn't matter, brian. you're not a legal scholar or judge. you're just an expat thats chosen to live in germany. with all due respect, your legal understanding doesn't hold water when compared to that of licensed attornies and seated judges.
I believe SCOTUS won't reverse its precedent established in Baker v Nelson. It reviewed a state's right to defend male/female marriage and found that worthy on the merits.
come on now

Bolingbrook, IL

#2332 Mar 23, 2013
antiatheist wrote:
gee come..........hard to believe you can't see the difference. You don't choose your race or your sex. Comprende? Its not that hard. Gays are making a mockery out of civil rights probably because its the only card they can play and get some less intelligent citizens to actually believe it.
When did you choose to be hetero?... Not when did you first get a stiffy at the site of little susies budding sweater puppies, but when did you sit down look at all the choices and say from now on I will be attractd to girls?..... Sexual attraction is one of the most base of insticts, behind eating and survival... Do you REALLY think that a person could ignore such basic instinct to do a 180 and get sexually excited for the person of their own sex?..... Could you?... I couldn't.. So to imply that it is a choice shows a lack of reasoning on your part. Homosexauals are american citizens... as such they deserve each and every right and privledge given to the heterosexual.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

#2333 Mar 23, 2013
you use the same old lame "arguments" that all gays use. The burden of proof is not on heterosexuals its on homos. 95% of the population is heterosexual so when you are doing something way out of the norm and saying its natural then its up to you to prove it. Gays know its the only way they can get people to accept them and even feel sorry for them. Are you gay?

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