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heartandmind

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#2293
Mar 19, 2013
 
antiatheist wrote:
telling someone which church to go to doesn't have anything to do with morality. You believe in relative morality heart which is the cornerstone of a humanist point of view. You say you are a Christian which I don't believe for a second. There are rights and wrongs in this world.
i believe that the law must be the basis upon which we move forward as a nation. i believe in the u.s. constitution otherwise i wouldn't continue to live here. if you choose to be a christian that's your choice. it may not be someone elses. your choice may dictate to you something that someone else's doesn't. it's just that simple.

and again, you can't provide any proof of what you assert so vehemently. nor can you shake my own faith.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

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#2294
Mar 19, 2013
 
antiatheist wrote:
also, there are no more gays being killed than there are any other group. These claims are a slap in the face to African Americans. Your sick lifestyle choice is pathetic.
and your choice to belittle and defame anyone is a poor choice as well. you slap our founding fathers in the face everytime you re-iterate that you get to dictate everyone's religious choice. you slap the face of every person that has served to defend our constitution, every person that has died defending the constitution, when you expect everyone else to follow your choice in faith. you are an affront to being an american.

really, anti. insulting someone does not further any debate. climb down off your high horse and stop it with the insults. at least brian refrains from that.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

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Mar 19, 2013
 
come on now wrote:
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Brian talk to anyone with ANY legal expertise and they will tell you that the 14th equal protection clause makes women equal... You can play your "greg brady exact words" game all you want. Does not work ask anyone who knows any law.
reminds me of my teenager trying to get out of trouble or not doing something he knows he should be doing....LOL.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

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#2296
Mar 19, 2013
 
heart please quit attempting to disguise yourself as being a christian when its obvious you aren't. Just admit where you are coming from and that will help everyone understand your opinions which are obviously atheistic.

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#2297
Mar 19, 2013
 
heartandmind wrote:
brian, look, pal, really.....the constitution does not differentiate between men and women when it says "ALL"....get it?
Not when it says 'all' but when it the Constitution says 'male', that proves there is no gender equality right.

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heartandmind wrote:
we're ALL assured the same rights, liberties, freedoms, responsibilities, protections under the laws of this nation. no one is treated differently. if your son, say he lives in milwaukee, kills a man, his due process is no different than that of any woman, say who lives in seattle and she kills someone. they're both treated equally and fairly and equably under the law. they both can have an attorney. they both have a fair trial. if they're both found guilty, then they're both punished.
likewise,
We are all equal before the law, not equal to each other. People with glasses can't be licensed by the FAA to fly passenger planes, inequality exists. I'm sorry if you find that offensive.

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heartandmind wrote:
either men or women can run for public office. there's no gender differentiation in who holds a public office.
That doesn't change the words of the Constitution.

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heartandmind wrote:
how many times will i have to explain that to you? ALL is encompassing everyone of us living in the united states of america. male and female. regardless of age, gender, race, etc etc etc. don't believe me? ask an attorney that resides and practices here in the states, brian.
I understand what the word all means, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside...", then the Amendment goes on to mention rights reserved for males and adults over 21 years, all people aren't equal.

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Mar 19, 2013
 
come on now wrote:
Same sex marriage is wrong because its supporters defend bullies. Wow talk about the pot c alling kettle black.... How many people opposing ssm re bullies......
From the evidence on this thread, very few.

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How many of them on these threads call homosexuals and ssm supporters every name in the book....
I've never called homosexuals or my political opponents bad names, that's ad hominem argument. I've seen quite a few same sex marriage supporters use bad names, and I call them on it.

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How many of them tell that group they are going to hell,
That's a religious belief, I don't debate religion. You're entitled to your faith; I won't argue. So the answer is, I don't know since I don't read most religious arguments for keeping marriage male/female.

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how many of them use derogatory slang to refer to them.... how many of them.... well you get the idea.
Right, I've seen same sex marriage supporter do that on almost every page. I've always written, there is nothing wrong with homosexuals or homosexuality. I don't use derogatory slang except in retaliation.

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Anti ssm is wrong because its supporters defend bullies
^^^"come on now" found an argument he consider's rational, he uses it himself. Red letter day!

If he keeps learning, he'll find more reasons to keep marriage one man and one woman. I've found many compelling arguments on this thread.
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Bolingbrook, IL

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#2299
Mar 19, 2013
 
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>From the evidence on this thread, very few.
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<quoted text>I've never called homosexuals or my political opponents bad names, that's ad hominem argument. I've seen quite a few same sex marriage supporters use bad names, and I call them on it.
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<quoted text>That's a religious belief, I don't debate religion. You're entitled to your faith; I won't argue. So the answer is, I don't know since I don't read most religious arguments for keeping marriage male/female.
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<quoted text>Right, I've seen same sex marriage supporter do that on almost every page. I've always written, there is nothing wrong with homosexuals or homosexuality. I don't use derogatory slang except in retaliation.
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<quoted text>^^^"come on now" found an argument he consider's rational, he uses it himself. Red letter day!
If he keeps learning, he'll find more reasons to keep marriage one man and one woman. I've found many compelling arguments on this thread.
From the evidence on this thread, very few."
Really... you want examples.... look at antiathiest....

I've never called homosexuals or my political opponents bad names, that's ad hominem argument. I've seen quite a few same sex marriage supporters use bad names, and I call them on it."

Love the way you single out yourself.. yet lump all he ssm together....
There are FAR more anti ssm who bully than the other way around

That's a religious belief, I don't debate religion. You're entitled to your faith; I won't argue. So the answer is, I don't know since I don't read most religious arguments for keeping marriage male/female."

Right you dont know..... you post on ALL these threads but dont bother reading the "religious' ones... Funny to know they are religious post you have to read them don't you

"Right, I've seen same sex marriage supporter do that on almost every page. I've always written, there is nothing wrong with homosexuals or homosexuality. I don't use derogatory slang except in retaliation."

Your bullying comment was perjorative to all ssm supporters... So the response was not directed just at you
John Eberly

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#2300
Mar 19, 2013
 
Queers purposefully degraded all of the local government pre-conditions for a marriage license.

Queers used shyster lawyer methods to eliminate all legal grounds for denying a couple a marriage license.

Before queers stuck their nose in other peoples business, many local governments could disqualify for licensing any persons that had any of these ethical failings.

sodomy conviction
elective abortion
STD
obscenity conviction
child endangerment
prostitution
poverty
mental deficiency

John Eberly

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#2301
Mar 19, 2013
 
Queers often refer to anal and oral sodomy as sex.

Of course, anal sodomy is not sex, but queers mislabel it as such anyway.

Using queer logic, I could re-label anal sodomy as monkey love, but I would be insulting monkeys.

At least monkeys don't demand a marriage license.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

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#2302
Mar 19, 2013
 
these gays and gay supporters remind me of ancient Rome and Greece.
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Bolingbrook, IL

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#2303
Mar 19, 2013
 
antiatheist wrote:
these gays and gay supporters remind me of ancient Rome and Greece.
Considering that it has been proven time and time again that homosexuality did not cause the downfall of either society, how do they remind you of ancient Rome and Greece
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

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#2304
Mar 19, 2013
 
The godless, pagan culture of those times reminds me of what is probably coming in our near future. Its like it is coming full circle and we never learn from our mistakes. Its funny because those today think they are being so "modern" when in actuality it has all happened before. We are once again turning into a pagan, Godless society which will not end well.
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Bolingbrook, IL

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#2305
Mar 20, 2013
 
antiatheist wrote:
The godless, pagan culture of those times reminds me of what is probably coming in our near future. Its like it is coming full circle and we never learn from our mistakes. Its funny because those today think they are being so "modern" when in actuality it has all happened before. We are once again turning into a pagan, Godless society which will not end well.
Ya and in your grandparents day it was rock an roll which would bring down society, in your parents days it was......

Please Tell me how two u.s. citizens of the same sex getting married would effect your life.
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

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#2306
Mar 20, 2013
 
sorry but this sin goes back way before anyones grandparents. Goes back to the greeks and probably before then. Are you really this naive or just want to marry your lover so bad that you could care less about anyone else.

How does it effect the rest of us? Because it will be seen as the norm. It will be taught in our schools to our children. Anyone that speaks out against it will be ridiculed and probably charged with some type of hate crime. Thats just the tip of the iceberg.
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Bolingbrook, IL

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#2307
Mar 20, 2013
 
antiatheist wrote:
sorry but this sin goes back way before anyones grandparents. Goes back to the greeks and probably before then. Are you really this naive or just want to marry your lover so bad that you could care less about anyone else.
How does it effect the rest of us? Because it will be seen as the norm. It will be taught in our schools to our children. Anyone that speaks out against it will be ridiculed and probably charged with some type of hate crime. Thats just the tip of the iceberg.
"How does it effect the rest of us? Because it will be seen as the norm. It will be taught in our schools to our children. Anyone that speaks out against it will be ridiculed and probably charged with some type of hate crime. Thats just the tip of the iceberg."

All of this is happening even without ssm... nice try....
It is not abnormal anymore to state your sexuality...welcome to the new milineum.

Children are being taught not that it is right or wrong, but that there are kids with ss parents... the harm here is.....

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Anyone that speaks out against it will be ridiculed"

Some will ridicule you...some will agree with you... that is the beuty of America free speech.

probably charged with some type of hate crime."

That will depend on exactly what you say... see free speech has ALWAYS had limitations.... Dont believe me try yelling fire in a crowded area when there is none....

So how would two people of the same sex getting married change your life again
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

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#2308
Mar 20, 2013
 
It is not abnormal anymore to state your sexuality...welcome to the new milineum.

Ha accoring to you maybe. Again, this sin has existed for thousands of years. Its nothing new.

Children are being taught not that it is right or wrong, but that there are kids with ss parents... the harm here is

Children are being taught that there is more than just one type of family and that its perfect fine with have two dads. Try again

Some will ridicule you...some will agree with you... that is the beuty of America free speech.

Its not free speech when people are threatened for stating their belief on a subject. Its not free speech when pastors can no longer preach against this sinful activity. You really don't care about free speech though I'm sure.
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Bolingbrook, IL

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#2309
Mar 20, 2013
 
antiatheist wrote:
It is not abnormal anymore to state your sexuality...welcome to the new milineum.
Ha accoring to you maybe. Again, this sin has existed for thousands of years. Its nothing new.
Children are being taught not that it is right or wrong, but that there are kids with ss parents... the harm here is
Children are being taught that there is more than just one type of family and that its perfect fine with have two dads. Try again
Some will ridicule you...some will agree with you... that is the beuty of America free speech.
Its not free speech when people are threatened for stating their belief on a subject. Its not free speech when pastors can no longer preach against this sinful activity. You really don't care about free speech though I'm sure.
"Children are being taught that there is more than just one type of family and that its perfect fine with have two dads. Try again"
News flash it is ok if a child has two fathers....

Its not free speech when people are threatened for stating their belief on a subject."
Who has been threatened with what?

"Its not free speech when pastors can no longer preach against this sinful activity. "

Not going to happen... called seperation of church and state.... maybe you heard of it... Means the government can not dictate religion. A minister can say that gays are going to hell as much as he wants in his sermons... and no one can do one thing about it....
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

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#2310
Mar 20, 2013
 
newsflash it is NOT okay if a child has 2 fathers. Only in your gay world is that okay.

Who has been threatened with what?
pastors are already being threatened with hate speech for speaking out against homosexuality.
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Bolingbrook, IL

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#2311
Mar 20, 2013
 
antiatheist wrote:
newsflash it is NOT okay if a child has 2 fathers. Only in your gay world is that okay.
Who has been threatened with what?
pastors are already being threatened with hate speech for speaking out against homosexuality.
newsflash it is NOT okay if a child has 2 fathers. Only in your gay world is that okay."
No only in your paranoid predudice mind is it an issue...

pastors are already being threatened with hate speech for speaking out against homosexuality."

From the pulpit?..... example...
antiatheist

Seminole, OK

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#2312
Mar 20, 2013
 
its not okay for two men or women to marry. Its sexual perversion.

Why does it matter if its from the pulpit or not? This is still America is it not? And please don't equate saying homo is wrong with yelling in a theater.

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