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There is more than just "money" issues, there are legal issues also. Example a married couple can not be forced to testify against each other... doesnt work for anything else. There are MANY other legal benefits which are unavailable to any one else.
Now you call it a religious ceremony. This is a blatantly false statement. Marriage is a civil contract. It can happen within or outside of ANY religion. Many agnostics are legally married. So it has absolutely NOTHING to do with any theological belief. If you want it to be "blessed" by the church/religion of your choice that is fine... not needed, but fine.
Secondly this is a legal issue... as such what your faith tells you is a moot point. We never have are not now nor never will be a theocracy. We do not base our laws and civil rights on the criteria of any ones theolgical back ground.
You can try and twist it however you want. Genisus 2:24 adam and eve were married long before man decided to make it a contract for money issues. It was a religious ceremony first, a union or contract by man much late. So the statement is nowhere near false. You may change mans written law that is a union or contract amongst two people of the opposite sex, but you can't change the bible
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Jan 14, 2013
 
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You can try and twist it however you want. Genisus 2:24 adam and eve were married long before man decided to make it a contract for money issues. It was a religious ceremony first, a union or contract by man much late. So the statement is nowhere near false. You may change mans written law that is a union or contract amongst two people of the opposite sex, but you can't change the bible
Ya do realize we are not a theocracy.... so what you believe your Bible to say is moot....
Ya do realize that to believe what the Bible says is true is to believe that God liked incest.... no way around it .
Ya do realize that Joe Schmoe has a "holy book" that says his God says ssm is ok... and his book is a valid when it comes to the law as yours is....
which is to say both points of view are moot....

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Jan 14, 2013
 
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/ma...

'We Love All Homosexuals'

Barjot, famous for outrageous lines like, "Balls don't have ovaries," has drawn together more than 30 groups into a common front that includes the "Catholic Family Alliances," the "Collective for Children" and the association "Love and Family." There are even some gay groups on board, including one that calls itself "Even Gayer without Marriage" and "Homovox." Other religious groups have also come on board, including conservative Protestants, Buddhists and the patriotic Muslim group Sons of France. The only group that marched on its own was the arch-conservative Christian group "Civitas," for whom Barjot's message comes across as being too "gay friendly".

Using Facebook and Twitter, the coalition of groups succeeded within four months in establishing a country-wide infrastructure without drawing allegations that it was guilty of anti-gay or lesbian sentiment. "We love all homosexuals," Barjot said at the start of the rally. She added that her "Demo for All" had the sole goal of rejecting a draft law that would "open marriage to persons of the same sex" that is to be debated by the French parliament at the end of January.

The law, which supporters are referring to as "Marriage for All," has long been a sensitive issue for religious groups in the country. It's one that has turned ugly in recent months, too, as the institutions have discussed adjusting marriage to fit a reality in the country that has changed over the years. Touching as it does on beliefs and values, the debate has also descended at times almost to the level of trench warfare in France's newspapers and television talk shows.

The front lines cute right through all societal, political and religious camps -- and the polemics have come from both the left- and right-leaning media. The front page of a recent issue of the French Catholic daily La Croix had the headline, "For the church, the union between a man and a woman is a symbol of the connection to Christ." Meanwhile, the left-leaning newsweekly Le Nouvel Observateur ran the headline splashed its cover this week with "A Manifesto: Yes to Marriage for All." Finally, the conservative Le Figaro described the protest as a "change in consciousness that could change the path of history."

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But "Marriage for All," which public opinion polls show is supported by the majority of French citizens, would elevate the partnerships to the full status of marriage, including the right to adopt children. It is precisely the adoption provision that has attracted such large protests.

Supporters see the legislation as an overdue equal treatment of gays and lesbians and the estimated tens of thousands of children same-sex couples are raising together. Opponents, however, believe it will demean terms like husband and wife or turn father and mother into asexual designations, like "parents". "This project," protest organizers wrote, "wants to eliminate sexual distinction and with it the foundations of human identity."

They claim it represents a threat to families: If two men or two women were to adopt boys and girls, they would be robbing those children of their traditional role models. Critics fear a "deep discrimination and unfairness" for children raised in non-traditional families. In addition, they warn of an end to "natural parenting," which they say could pose a threat to social cohesion. They argue "Marriage for All" could pave the way for gays and lesbians to demand the right to artificial insemination or to seek surrogate mothers to bear their children..."
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#1316
Jan 14, 2013
 
you cant help who you love
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#1317
Jan 14, 2013
 
you cant help who you love!!!!!!!!!!
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#1318
Jan 14, 2013
 
Wtf does it matter? Love is love,marriage is marriage.fk all the h8ers ;p
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Jan 14, 2013
 
girls wrote:
you cant help who you love!!!!!!!!!!
that's rt,love n wanting to b with someone is far more important than wat gender u n ur partner r,I'm in love n me n my partner is married in our own way,wer all that matters n we'll take on the whole world together,we r all we need,fk everybody else n ther dumbass comments,gd or bad coz we dnt give a fk!I love u bby,only u,lways <3<3<3

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Jan 14, 2013
 
Many gays defend marriage as one man and one woman:

http://www.homovox.com/

Xavier Bongibault, a member of a group called Plus Gay Sans Mariage -- More Gay Without Marriage -- said the demonstration is not for the homophobic.

He said many people who are gay or support gay rights believe marriage should be reserved for heterosexuals.

"In France marriage is not a contract about love: it is a contract that creates the framework for the protection of children. I believe a child must have a mother and father," he said. "Everyone has the right to get married. I am homosexual but if I wanted to get married I could find a woman. Marriage has certain conditions, the main one of which is that it has to be between a man and woman."

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Jan 14, 2013
 
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Ya do realize we are not a theocracy.... so what you believe your Bible to say is moot....
Ya do realize that to believe what the Bible says is true is to believe that God liked incest.... no way around it .
Ya do realize that Joe Schmoe has a "holy book" that says his God says ssm is ok... and his book is a valid when it comes to the law as yours is....
which is to say both points of view are moot....
You do realize your only fooling yourself? Our president is sworn in & lesbians and gays can still not be married in most states. Seems were more of a theocracy than you care to addmit. Our laws are all based on the bible. Our money all says the same thing. Although we are according to the constitution supposed to have seperation of church and state,its more of a seperatipn of denomination and state.
Your insinuation that were all a product of incest, just lack of biblical knowledge.
As proven to jim jones, david koresh, and others you will not succeed with your own religion and different beliefs will not be tolerated in this country you claim is not a theocracy.
Maybe if they started a civil union contract and did not call it a marriage, It would be accepted.
But the fact remains adam & eve did not go to the court house for their marriage license.
It was a religious spiritual union granted by god. Not a legal contract. If you want to recieve the same man made benefits that married people recieve, then change it's name and it may pass. But is in now a marriage in the eyes of god. I say who cares about the man made side of it. Call it something else , union, contract whatever you want. But it is not a marriage. And it is totally your choice on whether you belive that one day you will have to answer for it. And that between you and him. I have nothing to do with that.

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#1322
Jan 14, 2013
 
No state bans a same sex couple from having a religious wedding ceremony; polygamy and incest marriage are criminal offenses in many states. We have religious freedom in America.

Civil unions and domestic partnerships are perfect compromises but changing the definition of marriage changes it for everyone.
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Jan 15, 2013
 
Brian_G wrote:
No state bans a same sex couple from having a religious wedding ceremony; polygamy and incest marriage are criminal offenses in many states. We have religious freedom in America.
Civil unions and domestic partnerships are perfect compromises but changing the definition of marriage changes it for everyone.
Those that qualify would still be ableto get a marriage license. Those that didn't would be able to get the other and would now be eligible to get the benefits married people do.
I never said any stste banned a religious ceremony. I said stop trying to push it through as a marriage, the origin of which started before man licensed it. If you take away its religious origin by calling it a marriage it may pass.
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Jan 15, 2013
 
The religious ceremony part is already covered in the bible. Man. Can't change that.
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Jan 15, 2013
 
lol wrote:
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You do realize your only fooling yourself? Our president is sworn in & lesbians and gays can still not be married in most states. Seems were more of a theocracy than you care to addmit. Our laws are all based on the bible. Our money all says the same thing. Although we are according to the constitution supposed to have seperation of church and state,its more of a seperatipn of denomination and state.
Your insinuation that were all a product of incest, just lack of biblical knowledge.
As proven to jim jones, david koresh, and others you will not succeed with your own religion and different beliefs will not be tolerated in this country you claim is not a theocracy.
Maybe if they started a civil union contract and did not call it a marriage, It would be accepted.
But the fact remains adam & eve did not go to the court house for their marriage license.
It was a religious spiritual union granted by god. Not a legal contract. If you want to recieve the same man made benefits that married people recieve, then change it's name and it may pass. But is in now a marriage in the eyes of god. I say who cares about the man made side of it. Call it something else , union, contract whatever you want. But it is not a marriage. And it is totally your choice on whether you belive that one day you will have to answer for it. And that between you and him. I have nothing to do with that.
"You do realize your only fooling yourself? Our president is sworn in & lesbians and gays can still not be married in most states. Seems were more of a theocracy than you care to addmit. Our laws are all based on the bible. Our money all says the same thing. Although we are according to the constitution supposed to have seperation of church and state,its more of a seperatipn of denomination and state."
A) learn what theocracy means... We do not look to ANY mans theological holy book to make our laws or define who gets civil rights.
Yes the Pres. gets sworn in... called tradition... has nothing to do w theology.
No homosexuals can not get LEGALLY married in most states. The important term is legally...,,,
Our laws are based on the bible... really... so the countries that are of another religion do not have similar laws... Lets say I can steal in India because stealing is a Christian concept not a over all concept..... Our laws are based on MANY factors. To say it is the Bible is the height of hubris.

" Although we are according to the constitution supposed to have seperation of church and state,its more of a seperatipn of denomination and state."

A rose by anyother name... still does not make us a theocracy... still does not make what you believe your holy book to say mean anymore than what a muslim thinks the Koran says, what a Jewish person thinks the Torah says what the (name your religion and holy book/document here) says.

"Your insinuation that were all a product of incest, just lack of biblical knowledge."

Ok explain it then. The Bible says God made A&E,,, the made cain and able... The Bible does not say that God made anyone else.. so by logic all life must have come from Adam and Eve... or their children (assumeing they had more)... so there is NO way that the daughters of adam and eve did not get busy with a relative.... very few scenarios here
A) Adam had daughters who he and any sons he had got busy with and produced either grand children or neices/nephews. or
B) Cain and able got busy with mom or their sisters.....
Really no other logical way around it...
Of course since God became a mass murderer by killing all people save for Noah and his crew... it really does not matter... that is until you realize that if it was just Noah and his family left to populate the earth then you guessed it... incest again... at the very least cousin w cousin....
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Jan 15, 2013
 
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The religious ceremony part is already covered in the bible. Man. Can't change that.
So anyone not joined by a minister is what?....
Anyone who does not believe in the bible, or is of another non Judeo-Christian belief system is what. Seems like they have the same licenses as you and I... Seems their certificate, rather done by a minister, judge or captian of a boat says Married.... So again... A you can go to the trouble of having your wedding in the church of your choice, doesn't make you any more or less married in the eyes of the law, and that is what the issue is law not theology, than the couple married by a judge.
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Jan 15, 2013
 
Every man thinks. Their religion is the one and only. Many wars prove that. But I believe there is not several gods and hevens bidding on the next soul. There can only be one.
Every civil rights movement is based on theology. President Lincoln said"if all men are equal to someting. Then there equal to each other" based on the biblical quote that states all men are created equal. Thus starting or first big civil rights movement.
You need to look up theocracy. Or addmit we are lead by a diety. All laws are based on the bible.money says in god we trust. We go to wars over religious beliefs.
you are correct about the discussion being ovet whats right in the eyes of the law which are based on theology. So again remove the word marriage based in religion.and call it some other sort of union added for same sex partners cause you will never be able to change the bible that states.man shall not lay with man as he does with a woman. Whether you believe or not doesn't matter to the rest of mainstream society. This is why there is a heated battle over this issue. Take god out of it and it will have a much better chance. Most people even if they don't agree with that life style don't care one way or the other as long as you don't step on their religion. You can attempt picking bible verses apart all you want but it's all covered in there. Your justifying it with god is your problem. But everything we do in this world revolves around theology. And church and state has never been seperated. Your argument is based on how it was supposed to be set up. Not how it really is.gay civil rights are even more difficult to accomplish cause a person not of that life style does not have the capacity to understand why this is. And unlike black civil rights that had biblical quotes to support them. Gay civil rights have just the opposite.
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Jan 15, 2013
 
Its just nasty, wrong ,sick, and the BIBLE saids its wrong..they ant NOONE born that way!
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Jan 15, 2013
 
lol wrote:
Every man thinks. Their religion is the one and only. Many wars prove that. But I believe there is not several gods and hevens bidding on the next soul. There can only be one.
Every civil rights movement is based on theology. President Lincoln said"if all men are equal to someting. Then there equal to each other" based on the biblical quote that states all men are created equal. Thus starting or first big civil rights movement.
You need to look up theocracy. Or addmit we are lead by a diety. All laws are based on the bible.money says in god we trust. We go to wars over religious beliefs.
you are correct about the discussion being ovet whats right in the eyes of the law which are based on theology. So again remove the word marriage based in religion.and call it some other sort of union added for same sex partners cause you will never be able to change the bible that states.man shall not lay with man as he does with a woman. Whether you believe or not doesn't matter to the rest of mainstream society. This is why there is a heated battle over this issue. Take god out of it and it will have a much better chance. Most people even if they don't agree with that life style don't care one way or the other as long as you don't step on their religion. You can attempt picking bible verses apart all you want but it's all covered in there. Your justifying it with god is your problem. But everything we do in this world revolves around theology. And church and state has never been seperated. Your argument is based on how it was supposed to be set up. Not how it really is.gay civil rights are even more difficult to accomplish cause a person not of that life style does not have the capacity to understand why this is. And unlike black civil rights that had biblical quotes to support them. Gay civil rights have just the opposite.
"you are correct about the discussion being ovet whats right in the eyes of the law which are based on theology"
Um... no... stealing is wrong with or without theology... has nothing to do with it.
"But I believe there is not several gods and hevens bidding on the next soul. There can only be one."
Well if you believe.. by all means let us all bow down to YOUR belief system.
"You need to look up theocracy. Or addmit we are lead by a diety. All laws are based on the bible.money says in god we trust. We go to wars over religious beliefs."
Wow are you ever off base...
Theocracy...theocracy - definition of theocracy by the Free Online Dictionary ...
www.thefreedictionary.com/theocracySharethe ·oc·ra·cy (th - k r -s ). n. pl. the·oc·ra·cies. 1. A government ruled by or subject to religious authority. 2. A state so governed.
What religious authority are citizens subject to?... You telling me a Muslim citizen is subject to your God? Your religion... What about a hindu... a diest?... a....you get my point

One nation under God... does it say whose god... no.... Of course it must be yours...

Now exactly what war did we go into based on religious beliefs.... go on which one... Revolutionary... no... 1812,,, no.. civil.. spanish american, ww1 ww2... Korea?... no So which war are you lying about going into based on religious beliefs...

"civil rights are even more difficult to accomplish cause a person not of that life style does not have the capacity to understand why this is. And unlike black civil rights that had biblical quotes to support them. Gay civil rights have just the opposite."

Oh well if it is difficult.. by all means we should forget about it. I mean they, the homosexuals are only U.S. citizens, what right do they have to expect equal treatment under the law... the nerve of them.
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Its just nasty, wrong ,sick, and the BIBLE saids its wrong..they ant NOONE born that way!
A) your belief in your version of your holy book is moot as we are not a theocracy.
B) You say "ant NOONE born that way.".. really... so it is a choice. When did you "choose" to like men?... not when did you first notice how tall Johnie got over the summer and how the crack in his voice made your feel all ..... But when did you sit down, look at all the options then come to a life altering decision that from that point on you liked dicks not chicks?....
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"you are correct about the discussion being ovet whats right in the eyes of the law which are based on theology"
Um... no... stealing is wrong with or without theology... has nothing to do with it.
"But I believe there is not several gods and hevens bidding on the next soul. There can only be one."
Well if you believe.. by all means let us all bow down to YOUR belief system.
"You need to look up theocracy. Or addmit we are lead by a diety. All laws are based on the bible.money says in god we trust. We go to wars over religious beliefs."
Wow are you ever off base...
Theocracy...theocracy - definition of theocracy by the Free Online Dictionary ...
www.thefreedictionary.com/theocracySharethe ·oc·ra·cy (th - k r -s ). n. pl. the·oc·ra·cies. 1. A government ruled by or subject to religious authority. 2. A state so governed.
What religious authority are citizens subject to?... You telling me a Muslim citizen is subject to your God? Your religion... What about a hindu... a diest?... a....you get my point
One nation under God... does it say whose god... no.... Of course it must be yours...
Now exactly what war did we go into based on religious beliefs.... go on which one... Revolutionary... no... 1812,,, no.. civil.. spanish american, ww1 ww2... Korea?... no So which war are you lying about going into based on religious beliefs...
"civil rights are even more difficult to accomplish cause a person not of that life style does not have the capacity to understand why this is. And unlike black civil rights that had biblical quotes to support them. Gay civil rights have just the opposite."
Oh well if it is difficult.. by all means we should forget about it. I mean they, the homosexuals are only U.S. citizens, what right do they have to expect equal treatment under the law... the nerve of them.
I could debate every word stated here but why? we are a theocrasy. even by the only definition you read. we are lead by a diety which falls under your written definition of theocracy. look it up. every aspect of american law and beliefs are founded in christianity. open your eye's things aren't as written in the constitution. but your statement that I was way off on my definition of a theocracy made me realize. This debate is not worth any further effort.
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I could debate every word stated here but why? we are a theocrasy. even by the only definition you read. we are lead by a diety which falls under your written definition of theocracy. look it up. every aspect of american law and beliefs are founded in christianity. open your eye's things aren't as written in the constitution. but your statement that I was way off on my definition of a theocracy made me realize. This debate is not worth any further effort.
A government ruled by or subject to religious authority. 2. A state so governed.
So if we are a theocracy as you state.... what religius authority are we subject to.... Cant say Christaian,,, as any not judeo christian citizen would not be subject to that.... So how are we a theocracy again...

You have been shown that you are wrong... you want to takke the high ground and say it is not worth further effort great.... run away knowing that you were wrong....

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