Gay Marriage Debate - Madison, MS

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BG

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#1 Aug 21, 2010
We all deserve equal rights. To not allow it is clear discrimination. Mississippi needs to let it go. Government determines laws, not God.

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#2 Aug 21, 2010
It's not about equal rights, it's about redefining words. Gays have equal rights, they can marry someone of the opposite sex, like everyone else. Marriage isn't a right, it's a privilege, it requires a license. Like ever licensed institution, there are conditions that have to be met. If a 12 year old wants to marry, but isn't old enough by state law, she can't get a license. That isn't fair, but that's how the world works.

Life isn't fair. Nobody ever promised you a rose garden.
Dan

Madison, MS

#3 Sep 22, 2010
Like it or not you can't "vote" someones rights away.

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#4 Sep 23, 2010
You can't vote to redefine words, either. Marriage has always been between men and women. It's an ancient social institution for procreation, to ensure society's survival.
Dan

Madison, MS

#5 Sep 24, 2010
Brian_G wrote:
You can't vote to redefine words, either. Marriage has always been between men and women. It's an ancient social institution for procreation, to ensure society's survival.
No one is voting to change anyone's religion. No one should vote on the term, or who it applies to either. Divorce used to be illegal and once the term only applied to two people of the same race, or a king and a woman of his chosing, or an arrangement between two families without consideration of the children's desires, or a business arrangement... Marriage has always been evolving and changing. Today we can get drunk married in Vegas and have it annulled the next morning, which makes a joke of the institution. To say two people shouldn't be allowed an honest attempt for who they are is small-minded and bigoted. No one will ever force your church to marry gays. But our government is a separate institution.

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#6 Sep 24, 2010
Dan wrote:
... Marriage has always been evolving and changing... To say two people shouldn't be allowed an honest attempt for who they are is small-minded and bigoted. No one will ever force your church to marry gays. But our government is a separate institution.
Marriage has always been between man and woman, it's older than us, our government and our religions. We can acknowledge that fact and fight to protect marriage without being bigots. Government can't force unnatural changes on marriage without the consent of the majority.
Dan

Madison, MS

#7 Sep 24, 2010
Just because it has always been that way doesn't mean it always should, or will. Eating Red Meat on Friday (not Saturday, Friday) was a mortal sin, like homosexuality, for almost 2000 years until the middle of last century. Should we go back to that? Or did they finally realize it was silly? It was also "always that way" that women couldn't own property or vote, and African Americans only counted as 2/3 of a person at census time, should we go back to THAT way it has always been, before those things changed? Things change, and when someones rights to equal civil liberties are concerned with bias against who they are, then that is bigotry and why we are protected by free speech, free religion, equal protection, and church separate from state, by the constitution of the USA.
Dan

Madison, MS

#8 Sep 24, 2010
Basically it comes down to "We have something we dont want to share because we've never had to share it." which is a pretty weak argument. Things change. So take out the prejudice against gays. What argument is there left? None. "Greed" right, like that works. "Cause we just don't think you should get married" back to bigot, but okay that's fine as long as I get to vote on weather or not you can marry your fiancee.... There is no sensible argument allowing gays to marry that isn't based in prejudice and ignorance.
Dan

Madison, MS

#9 Sep 24, 2010
* "argument  against  allowing gays to marry..". Sorry this app crashed on me three times trying to type this out and I got rushed.
Dan

Madison, MS

#10 Sep 24, 2010
Bigotry is wanting to prevent someone or a group of people from having equal rights with you because you feel you are better, and they dont deserve them. And no matter what you may say out loud to attempt to justify your opinion, it's still the same. You do not think gays should be equal to you under the law.
Dan

Madison, MS

#11 Sep 24, 2010
I understand tho, that bigotry is hard to recognize when you're looking in the mirror.

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#12 Sep 24, 2010
Dan wrote:
Bigotry is wanting to prevent someone or a group of people from having equal rights with you because you feel you are better, and they dont deserve them. And no matter what you may say out loud to attempt to justify your opinion, it's still the same. You do not think gays should be equal to you under the law.
You can protect marriage without bigotry, but you can't protect same sex couples from unfairness. Life is unfair.

We aren't bigots when we don't let blind people drive or hunt. There are standards for marriage, it was formed to give a socially sanctioned framework for sex and procreation, to provide a stable home for children. It's unfair that same sex couples can't procreate, but that's biology, not bigotry.
Dan

Madison, MS

#13 Sep 25, 2010
Procreation isn't an argument, neither is sex. We have a huge number of single parents, m & f, we have a huge number of childless marriages, by choice, and a huge number of divorces. What happens with them? Also "gay sex" is protected and cannot be considered for discrimination, according to the US Supreme court ... Next! Keep en coming, I'm having fun.
Dan

Madison, MS

#14 Sep 25, 2010
Also not to mention that gay couples make just as good parents as straighta. Studies have shown that at children raised by same-sex couples are more likely to succeed in school, and less likely to turn towards violence and/or crime than a child brought up in foster care until 18.... And are no more or less likely to either than those brought up by straight parents.

The only "unfairness" is people who are not seeing this as an issue of equality, and think it's a matter of "well it's just not done that way" l
Sarah

Madison, MS

#15 Jan 17, 2012
People shouldn't have limitations on how they want to live their life and who they want to spend it with.
Allison

Ridgeland, MS

#16 Jan 17, 2012
Love is love. Men marrying men and women marrying women does nothing to hurt you, or your country. Everyone deserves the same rights regardless of sexual orientation.
Garth

Madison, MS

#17 Jan 18, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
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You can protect marriage without bigotry, but you can't protect same sex couples from unfairness. Life is unfair.
We aren't bigots when we don't let blind people drive or hunt. There are standards for marriage, it was formed to give a socially sanctioned framework for sex and procreation, to provide a stable home for children. It's unfair that same sex couples can't procreate, but that's biology, not bigotry.
Brian, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Blind people not hunting or driving is logical because they could put themselves at serious risk or harm because of their handicap. Homosexuals marrying presents no such handicap and no risks whatsoever.

It doesn't matter what marriage was created for. Times change. Societies change and progress; they evolve. And you do realize that people who are infertile get married too, right? Marriage is a legal sanction - nothing more, unless you personally add sentimental value to it.

Originally there were "standards" that made people slaves, and forbid people of different ethnicities from marrying. But that changed too. Standards change with the times, because the world can only move forward, not backward. It progresses, and the people do as well - and with this, laws and institutions must also change to adapt to society, which is the foundation of these institutions. You clearly do not see, nor understand this concept.

Gay marriage will happen regardless. And you will be on the wrong side of history. And you children (and your children's children) will look back and be ashamed that it took us so long to progress.

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#18 Jan 18, 2012
Marriage isn't for everyone. We have a right to an ideal of husband/wife marriage, an appropriate setting for sexual relations and a home for the children of those relations, with their mom and dad.

The purpose of marriage matters because if you change the rules, you change the institution.

Same sex marriage is taboo, that's not a religious value; it's an anthropological fact. We've fought this battle before, against polygamy. We won then and we'll win now.
Garth

Madison, MS

#19 Jan 18, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
Marriage isn't for everyone. We have a right to an ideal of husband/wife marriage, an appropriate setting for sexual relations and a home for the children of those relations, with their mom and dad.
The purpose of marriage matters because if you change the rules, you change the institution.
Same sex marriage is taboo, that's not a religious value; it's an anthropological fact. We've fought this battle before, against polygamy. We won then and we'll win now.
Now this post, too, makes absolutely no sense. Honestly, you sound so uneducated. We have a right to ANY household that we deem fit for ourselves. And, please, how the hell is a "setting appropriate for sexual relations" even determined? It's basically any private place where two people want to have sex, you ignorant baboon. And you do realize that many single parents raise kids, right? I was raised by a single mother, and I have turned out perfectly fine. Children are raised by gay couples and come out perfectly fine (if not better). Do you know how high the divorce rate is? And you sit here and try to claim that a HETEROSEXUAL household is ideal. Please. Heterosexuals can't even stay together long enough. Way to be a hypocrite.

Of course you change the institution by changing the rules. Duh. That's the point. Institutions have been changing since the dawn of human civilization. Not one single institution is the same as it was when it was introduced, even marriage, as I've already stated, since people of different ethnicities can also be married. The institution of marriage has ALREADY changed, so you arguing that it shouldn't change is just hilarious and stupid.

Same sex marriage is not a taboo at all. It has been allowed elsewhere and - here's the hilarious part - nothing has changed at all. The world has not fallen to pieces. Nothing taboo about it. Just silly paranoia on your part that can't hold in a debate.

And you do realize that homosexual relations has existed in societies since the dawn of humankind, yes? Then anthropologically speaking, it isn't unusual at all. It even exists in nature, as there are many kinds of animals that also exhibit homosexual behavior.

And the fact that you're trying to compare gay marriage to polygamy shows that you really are just as moronically uninformed as I believed you to be. Gay marriage (two consenting adults) and polygamy (many adults) are not the same thing. Not even close. You trying to claim that as a "victory" just reveals your own ignorance.

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#20 Jan 18, 2012
Garth wrote:
... no sense...uneducated... you ignorant baboon... hypocrite... stupid... your own ignorance.
I make my points without insults; if you base an argument on emotion, that's all you have.

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