Gay Marriage Debate - Lewistown, PA

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gene carr

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Aug 5, 2010
 
that is like giving preditors a license to molest children
Milroy

Lancaster, PA

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Aug 5, 2010
 
According to my trusty Webster's "Marriage" means:

"the institution whereby men and women are joined in a special kind of social and legal dependence for the purpose of founding and maintaining a family"

Words mean stuff. Unless someone has changed the meaning of "marriage" lately I have a hard time coming to grips with the term "gay marriage".

Call it something else. Call it a :Civil Union between same sex partners". Don't call it a marriage.
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Aug 6, 2010
 
Milroy wrote:
According to my trusty Webster's "Marriage" means:
"the institution whereby men and women are joined in a special kind of social and legal dependence for the purpose of founding and maintaining a family"
Words mean stuff. Unless someone has changed the meaning of "marriage" lately I have a hard time coming to grips with the term "gay marriage".
Call it something else. Call it a :Civil Union between same sex partners". Don't call it a marriage.
Or call it QUEERS REUNION
guest

Lebanon, PA

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Aug 7, 2010
 
why wouldn't a long term, committed and loving relationship be recognized by society?!.... isn't that the very definition of a true marriage?
Gary Roth

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Aug 7, 2010
 
people who are "gay" are citizens, just like everyone else, and ought to enjoy the benefits of legal marriage. To not let them marry is dicriminatory, and should be illegal. They have the same rights as heterosexuls.
guest

Lebanon, PA

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Aug 7, 2010
 
I agree with you , Gary.

I'm a straight guy, married for two yrs, can't figure out how two people with the same equipment who love each other can hurt me. My marriage isn't going to suffer. The argument always seems to come back to the Bible, but not everyone believes in that, which is why there's a legally mandated separation between Church and State. It's OK for priests to bugger little boys (agaist their will, which is called "rape") but two grown men (or women) who love each other can't get the same rights as those of us with differing body parts? Grow up and get with the program. Most people opposing this are probably self-hating gays anyway. Focus on your life; why prohibit someone's happiness because you don't agree? Does it hurt you? Lighten up; God's OK with gays, but He hates self-righteous jerks.(And athiests, Muslims, etc. don't care what YOUR God says. Church and State, remember?)
Milroy

Lancaster, PA

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Aug 8, 2010
 
guest wrote:
isn't that the very definition of a true marriage?
No. See the definition above which describes a "true" marriage.

Again, most people are OK with gay couples having a "civil union". Use that term and call it a day. Don't distort the word "marriage", and therefore cheapen the institution.

This is what most thoughtful people believe. It doesn't come out of hate or gay bashing.
Spectator

Lewistown, PA

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Aug 8, 2010
 
Marriage is between a Man and a Woman, they can have unions with the same financial rights as heteros, but DO NOT call it marriage...PERIOD!!!
Spectator

Lewistown, PA

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Aug 8, 2010
 
Damn right Milroy. Gays can have the same legal rights as heteros, just not marriage, call it anything else you wish.
And Gary, don't tell us what we have to believe or what should be illegal, the fact is that a marriage is between a man and a woman...PERIOD!!
snowflake

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Aug 8, 2010
 
It is a sin to be gay and it is also an illness.
LOL

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Aug 8, 2010
 
That's what is wrong with this country. Ever since we took God out of every thing this country is going to hell. This country was founded on christianity, lets keep it that way. It's a sin period and it should stay that way!
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Aug 9, 2010
 
LOL wrote:
That's what is wrong with this country. Ever since we took God out of every thing this country is going to hell. This country was founded on christianity, lets keep it that way. It's a sin period and it should stay that way!
The comment is right but the poster is PHONY. That is what is wrong with this country.
Spectator

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Aug 9, 2010
 
Lewistown Resident wrote:
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The comment is right but the poster is PHONY. That is what is wrong with this country.
No, YOU are what is wrong with this country, lowlife scum like you should be institutionalized.
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Aug 9, 2010
 
Spectator wrote:
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No, YOU are what is wrong with this country, lowlife scum like you should be institutionalized.
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Voice of Reason

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Aug 9, 2010
 
http://www.11points.com/Books/11_Things_The_B...

That obvious point aside, to the extent that the state still has an interest in marriage at all, there is no intelligent factual argument in favor of it being illegal.
And before you bother 'I think it's icky!!' and 'It cheapens marriage!(whatever that means)" and 'It's a sin!' are not logical factual arguments.
There is ZERO evidence that allowing gays to marry would have any negative affect on society.
That is one reason why the plaintiffs failed so astoundingly in this case. They were completely incapable of demonstrating any credible threat to society from allowing same sex marriage.
Because there is no such threat. It's a boogeyman used to oppose gay marriage without having to look like you are opposed to homosexuals in general.
If people were really so concerned about the institution of marriage, they would be clamoring for divorce and adultery (also both sins by the way) to be made illegal as well.
Oddly, you don't hear that being argued very often. One wonders why, yes?
Milroy

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Aug 9, 2010
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
http://www.11points.com/Books/ 11_Things_The_Bible_Bans,_But_ You_Do_'It cheapens marriage!(whatever that means)"
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It DOES cheapen it because it disorts and bastardizes the very meaning of the word. Read the definition above, and honestly ask yourself how can same sex couples be "married". Call it a "civil union", call it whatever you want.

Why does it cheapen it? Let's use an analogy. If you want to call yourself a medical doctor, you need to meet certain criteria.

- have a high school diploma
-- have a 4 year college degree in a pre-med, science, biology or similar field.
-- graduated from medical school
-- completed a residency
-- been accepted into the profession by the AMA

There are probably some I missed, but those are the basic 5 criteria. A boy scout who took a first aid couse is not a medical doctor. A high school chemistry student is not a doctor. A pre-med student is not a doctor. You gotta meet all 5 criteria to call yourself a doctor. If you only meet 4, that's OK. You're not an evil person. Just don't call yourself a doctor.

Likewise if you are gay and happily coupled in a committed relationship don't call yourself "married". Start your own institution.

It isn't just cultural neandethrals and ignorant queer bashers that are against the concept of "gay marriage", but the overwhelming majority of the thoughtful people in this country (even in California). Get used to it. Start your own institution Portland, OR. Be proud of who you are.

Spectator

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Aug 9, 2010
 
Milroy wrote:
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It DOES cheapen it because it disorts and bastardizes the very meaning of the word. Read the definition above, and honestly ask yourself how can same sex couples be "married". Call it a "civil union", call it whatever you want.
Why does it cheapen it? Let's use an analogy. If you want to call yourself a medical doctor, you need to meet certain criteria.
- have a high school diploma
-- have a 4 year college degree in a pre-med, science, biology or similar field.
-- graduated from medical school
-- completed a residency
-- been accepted into the profession by the AMA
There are probably some I missed, but those are the basic 5 criteria. A boy scout who took a first aid couse is not a medical doctor. A high school chemistry student is not a doctor. A pre-med student is not a doctor. You gotta meet all 5 criteria to call yourself a doctor. If you only meet 4, that's OK. You're not an evil person. Just don't call yourself a doctor.
Likewise if you are gay and happily coupled in a committed relationship don't call yourself "married". Start your own institution.
It isn't just cultural neandethrals and ignorant queer bashers that are against the concept of "gay marriage", but the overwhelming majority of the thoughtful people in this country (even in California). Get used to it. Start your own institution Portland, OR. Be proud of who you are.
Point well made, and Iron Clad Milroy.
LOL

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Aug 9, 2010
 
Lewistown Resident wrote:
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The comment is right but the poster is PHONY. That is what is wrong with this country.
Post was right on, alright. In fact all MY post are right on LR. Glad to see you finally realized it. However the Poster is not phony so you still have some learning to do but we'll get ya there.
Spectator

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Aug 10, 2010
 
LOL wrote:
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Post was right on, alright. In fact all MY post are right on LR. Glad to see you finally realized it. However the Poster is not phony so you still have some learning to do but we'll get ya there.
I don't know LOL, we don't have much to start with, there might not be enough years left to get him much past a third grade level.
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Aug 10, 2010
 
Spectator wrote:
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Point well made, and Iron Clad Milroy.
Because they are all ONE.

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