Gay Marriage Debate - Johnson City, TN

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Anonymous

Limestone, TN

#1 Jul 28, 2010
Just kinda makes me sick at my stomach -
there is no justice

Oakland, TN

#2 Jul 28, 2010
Russell Stewart likes to look at gay porn on the computer inbetween molesting his son.
not again

Morgantown, WV

#3 Jul 28, 2010
When are the gay related threads going to end?

Lots of people make me sick to my stomach, but I'm not going to claim they don't deserve equal rights under the law.

Many psychologists claim people who "get sick" at the thought of homosexuality have deep-seated self-esteem issues. Do you hate yourself?
NobodySpecial

Nashville, TN

#4 Jul 28, 2010
Thats because you're probably one of those bible thumping folk with a 1950's mentality who just can't live without worrying about what everyone else does and finding faults with it instead of minding your own business and living your own life.
not again

Morgantown, WV

#5 Jul 28, 2010
Many religious people just can't handle the legal reality of separation of church and state.

It shows a fundamental weakness of mind to reject these legal realities.

The same people cling so tightly to their religion because blind faith is so much easier than using reason, logic, and education. Face it, religion is an invisible "Because I said so" system. It's for the weak-minded who can't handle the task of individual human reasoning and personal education.

It's for sheep who love to hear that they should not question because they are too lazy and dumb for it anyway. Plus, its one hell of a safety net and even good for social networking!

I am not anti-religion, but I am anti-religion for the wrong reasons, which is what I see so often and it is what I am talking about specifically.

Denying legal equal rights is not a Christian value. Trying to control other peopleís lives and the moral and ethical fiber of your community is IMPOSSIBLE.

Fundamentalist Christians who try to turn their religious beliefs into law and force their churchís beliefs on others are fighting a losing battle.

Instead of trying to control the communityís morality for the sake of your loved ones, how about you focus on teaching those loved ones about choice and diversity and allowing them to grow into an INDIVIDUAL who chooses a path in life for the right reasons and not because you forced them.

Instead you try to force all society and your whole community to live by YOUR personal standards, which is a COP OUT. Canít stand to see something on the street you disagree with? Oh, poor baby. Donít want to teach your children about complex topics? Awww, shucks.

I think the Amish have an interesting system where they allow their young to experience Rumspringa, a time where they can go out into the world and experience anything and everything without being sheltered and hidden away. Then they choose for themselves whether to return to the Amish lifestyle or not.

That is a much more sincere way that Christians who brainwash their children, keep them sheltered all their lives, keep them ignorant and fearful well into adulthood. Then, if that person ever wises up and gets a worldly education, they often feel betrayed and brainwashed.

I know so many people raised Christians who now, as adults, make fun of the church and feel betrayed by its false and hypocritical teachings. Some people never truly mature and become their own person because they are always weighed down and held back by old superstitions. Those are the people who keep our community in the dark. If you are reading this and find yourself upset and thinking of possible Bible quotations as a comeback, then thatís you.

SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IS PROMISED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION.

EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL IS PROMISED BY THE CONSTITUTION.

Oppressed minorities always rise up in the end.

Slavery abolishment, women's rights to vote, black rights to vote, inter-racial marraige rights--these were all causes fought for in the past by an oppressed minority against a fearful majority.

And YES, the bible was also used in those situations to defend the oppression and inequality!!!

Who won in the end? The oppressed minority.
Just a few years ago, gay marraige was not legal anywhere in America. The law blocking it has fallen in, how many? at least four states.

SLOWLY BUT SURELY..and there's nothing the majority can do about it.

In a hundred years when gay people have full equal rights to marry and have had them for a while, people will be surprised it was ever an issue!
D_A_Truth

Charleston, WV

#6 Jul 28, 2010
OK "not again" you are wrong, dead wrong. Get a life, get a job, and get real.
NobodySpecial

Nashville, TN

#7 Jul 28, 2010
Brilliant, VERY well said!!
Hopeful

Johnson City, TN

#8 Jul 28, 2010
not again wrote:
Many religious people just can't handle the legal reality of separation of church and state.
It shows a fundamental weakness of mind to reject these legal realities.
The same people cling so tightly to their religion because blind faith is so much easier than using reason, logic, and education. Face it, religion is an invisible "Because I said so" system. It's for the weak-minded who can't handle the task of individual human reasoning and personal education.
It's for sheep who love to hear that they should not question because they are too lazy and dumb for it anyway. Plus, its one hell of a safety net and even good for social networking!
I am not anti-religion, but I am anti-religion for the wrong reasons, which is what I see so often and it is what I am talking about specifically.
Denying legal equal rights is not a Christian value. Trying to control other peopleís lives and the moral and ethical fiber of your community is IMPOSSIBLE.
Fundamentalist Christians who try to turn their religious beliefs into law and force their churchís beliefs on others are fighting a losing battle.
Instead of trying to control the communityís morality for the sake of your loved ones, how about you focus on teaching those loved ones about choice and diversity and allowing them to grow into an INDIVIDUAL who chooses a path in life for the right reasons and not because you forced them.
Instead you try to force all society and your whole community to live by YOUR personal standards, which is a COP OUT. Canít stand to see something on the street you disagree with? Oh, poor baby. Donít want to teach your children about complex topics? Awww, shucks.
I think the Amish have an interesting system where they allow their young to experience Rumspringa, a time where they can go out into the world and experience anything and everything without being sheltered and hidden away. Then they choose for themselves whether to return to the Amish lifestyle or not.
That is a much more sincere way that Christians who brainwash their children, keep them sheltered all their lives, keep them ignorant and fearful well into adulthood. Then, if that person ever wises up and gets a worldly education, they often feel betrayed and brainwashed.
I know so many people raised Christians who now, as adults, make fun of the church and feel betrayed by its false and hypocritical teachings. Some people never truly mature and become their own person because they are always weighed down and held back by old superstitions. Those are the people who keep our community in the dark. If you are reading this and find yourself upset and thinking of possible Bible quotations as a comeback, then thatís you.
SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IS PROMISED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION.
EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL IS PROMISED BY THE CONSTITUTION.
Oppressed minorities always rise up in the end.
Slavery abolishment, women's rights to vote, black rights to vote, inter-racial marraige rights--these were all causes fought for in the past by an oppressed minority against a fearful majority.
And YES, the bible was also used in those situations to defend the oppression and inequality!!!
Who won in the end? The oppressed minority.
Just a few years ago, gay marraige was not legal anywhere in America. The law blocking it has fallen in, how many? at least four states.
SLOWLY BUT SURELY..and there's nothing the majority can do about it.
In a hundred years when gay people have full equal rights to marry and have had them for a while, people will be surprised it was ever an issue!
I find entertaining how you are so quick to talk about rights yet others also have their rights ignored. If you go back and read the Constitution you will find the State has the right to vote on things and have them passed into law. However, in the country which we now live, the Federal Government over rules what the people of the State vote for. This was never the intention of our founding fathers
Hopeful

Johnson City, TN

#9 Jul 28, 2010
How strange it is you talk about people having rights. What ever happened to the rights of the majority? State after state has voted against gay marriage only to have some liberal federal judge come back and tell them their vote was unconstitutional. When you see how our founding fathers set up our government, it was never intended for the State to be over-ruled by the Federal Government on issues in which the people voted. I can only imagine the stink which would be raised if something was passed in favor for the homosexuals by a state and was over-ruled by a conservative judge. As usual, it is a one sided argument and if you dont agree you are homophobic. However when homosexuals disagree with others, the others are ignorant and uneducated. What a double standard...
hogwash

Grundy, VA

#10 Jul 28, 2010
you all are stupid. gays will get their rights eventually. get over it!
hogwash

Grundy, VA

#11 Jul 28, 2010
Oh, and the majority isnt always right. the majority once supported slavery. the majority once denied women the right to vote or own property. the majority once declared inter-racial marriage illegal.

it IS ignorant to try to deny someone rights.
gay people arent trying to deny straight people anything. its about LEGAL OPPRESSION. you talk about a double standard, that's on YOUR part. then you call a double standard gay people trying to overcome the double standard to achieve EQUALITY.

You see what you want to see and think what you want to think. It doesnt change anything. Especially not posting on topix. Go talk to your senator or delegates...but first, I would get a clue!
Just the Truth

Jonesborough, TN

#12 Jul 28, 2010
hogwash wrote:
Oh, and the majority isnt always right. the majority once supported slavery. the majority once denied women the right to vote or own property. the majority once declared inter-racial marriage illegal.
it IS ignorant to try to deny someone rights.
gay people arent trying to deny straight people anything. its about LEGAL OPPRESSION. you talk about a double standard, that's on YOUR part. then you call a double standard gay people trying to overcome the double standard to achieve EQUALITY.
You see what you want to see and think what you want to think. It doesnt change anything. Especially not posting on topix. Go talk to your senator or delegates...but first, I would get a clue!
Hogwash, you are living in a fantasy world. How can you compare womens' rights and black rights to your agenda? You see, women and black people were born that way.I agree, both had to claw their way up. But as for the gay crowd, they have chosen their route.In spite of the homo based theory, you were not born into it. Gay folk want to try to make straight folk apologize for not accepting them. Well, get over it. Most of us don't give a rat's as for you. Sure, the media sees you as news, but that's all you are..fodder for the media. Now, I know several homosexual people, male and female. I can get along with them, but I find them to be the most self centered and excuse prone people imaginable. As soon as they crawled out of the "closet" they expected to be treated as a novelty and be accepted,applauded, with their own agenda. Reality check.......y'all ain't all that! You are and always will be just what you are....a small minority, undeserving of special attention.
you will see

United States

#13 Jul 29, 2010
The EQUAL RIGHT to marry is not SPECIAL ATTENTION. How stupid!

You will see. It's already a fact in a few Americans states, and slowly but surely, the rest will legalize it. It won't be the end of the world, and it won't matter how much you bitch and moan.

NO H8

Here's a different angle for you!

If you really don't want gays hitting on you...let them get married to EACH OTHER.

Some of you talk about how promiscious gay men are and the spread of STDs, well--then let them get married so they will be with only one person!!

And if you worry about the "sanctity of marriage" think about the fact HALF of ALL straight marriages end in divorce, and the biggest reason for divorce is infidelity, and second and third marriage divorce rates jump to 70 and 80 percent!!!That means straight marriage isn't all that special. Straight people can't get it right, they break their vows constantly. Domestic abuse and separations are far too common. Anyone who talks about how marriage is so pure and sanctified is not living in the real world.

It's just a legal term in this case that provides certain rights and responsibilities.

Besides, if you think two gay people getting married threatens YOUR marriage, something must be wrong with your marriage. Nothing should be able to threaten your beautiful, precious marriage. If gays bother your marriage, you must be walking on eggshells keeping that together in the first place or maybe you are looking for a reason to divorce.

It doesn't even makes sense really. Are you afraid if gay people can marry, your wife or husband or future spouse will instead reject you for someone of the same sex? haha then you'd be all alone because of those damn gays!

States where gay marriage is legal have yet to burst into flames, have yet to legalize beastiality, and have not become states of ALL gay people who have flocked there to take over. So all those silly fears can be put to bed with your boogeyman from childhood.

So come on people, think about it a little deeper and you'd see its not the end of the world and it's going to come whether you like it or not.

Since: Apr 10

Johnson City, TN

#14 Jul 29, 2010
Im gay and I deserve the same rights as everyone else.

Since: Apr 10

Johnson City, TN

#15 Jul 29, 2010
Dont know why that last post was posted 3 times. Sorry about that.
Privacy

Shadyside, OH

#16 Jul 29, 2010
No worries, they delete posts if they go through more than once.

Straight couples get tax breaks and legal rights that gay couples cannot have; there's over a 1,000 federal breaks denied gay couples.

I'm a hard-working professional lesbian citizen of the US who pays just as much in taxes as anyone else, actually more than most because I make more than most. A marriage, without religious connotations--only legal ones, is a matter of FAIR and EQUAL rights.

Really, it is not the government's business or my neighbor's business if I want to be in a union with a male or a female. As long as it is a consenting adult, that's all that should matter.

Definitions of acceptable and unacceptable sex between two consenting adults should not be a part of government law, and neither should what type of consenting adults can be joined in marriage.

Any self-respecting privacy and freedom supporter would have to agree that it is unethical for the government to step in and make rules about who you can marry and who you can't when it is a matter of TWO TAX-PAYING ADULT AMERICAN PRIVATE CITIZENS.

These are logical reasons interracial marriage was eventually accepted, and why some sodomy laws were struck down. Government overstepping its rights!

The government had come into our homes and passed laws on what type of sex can be performed in the privacy of our own bedrooms.

ANYONE--gay, straight, or whatever--should be able to see THAT was overstepping government functions and boundaries. Some laws are still on the books that make illegal certain sexual acts even if between two consenting adults in their own home. I know plenty of straight people who engage in these acts--it's not a gay male activity. If you think it is, don't kid yourself.

It is traditionally a Republican value to say that the government needs to BUTT OUT of private citizen's lives...yet, it is mostly Republicans who want to CONTROL the sex lives of people in the privacy of their own homes and define private marriages to deny rights. Hypocrisy much? Perhaps ulterior financial motives?

Religious arguments don't belong because of separation of church and state. The country's financial well-being (or more specifically insurance companies well-being) is not a FAIR reason to deny gay marriage. Some big insurance company saying, "We would hurt financially" is NOT a good reason to deny Americans citizens equal rights. That's like the southern plantation owners that argued they couldn't get all their cotton picked without slaves, so that's why the government should not abolish slavery. Selfish, unethical financial motives!

EQUAL PROTECTION, EQUAL RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITY

No H8
Wrong

Blountville, TN

#17 Jul 30, 2010
god says it is wrong
Church and State

Blountville, TN

#18 Jul 30, 2010
It boggles my mind how many people misinterpret church and state. It only says that the government can't force or endorse one religion. It says nothing about eliminating God from decision making.
In fact, the only reason the pilgrims came here was to WORSHIP GOD FREELY..away from the Catholic church. Our constitution was set up directly from the Bible. The basis of our laws comes directly from the Ten Commandments. Our money says In God We Trust. To this day, Congress still starts sessions with a prayer. I hate it to break it to you, but God IS our state in this country.
Also, the constitution guarantees you the right to PERSUE happiness. It doesn't guarantee your achieving it. Marriage is a christian ceremony. You can rename it all you want, but it's till an oath to a spouse AND God.
Not Again...you seem like an angry, lost, deeply insecure person. If you would turn toward God instead of aginst Him, I guarantee you that will go away.
Church and State

Blountville, TN

#19 Jul 30, 2010
Directly from Jefferson's letter....nothing about eliminating God or religion from government.
Only, that the government can't endorse one specific religion. Since no known religion endorses homosexuality....it's covered.

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State
Whatever

Chesapeake, OH

#21 Jul 30, 2010
You judged "Not Again," which you are not supposed to do as a Christian. Don't start mouthing off on your devotion to God like its superior to anyone else's.

And if you are going to try to sound so smart, at least spell PURSUE correctly.

I tell you who is deeply insecure, lost, angry, and sad--a straight person who finds in necessary to come on Topix to banter back and forth baiting homosexuals about how they don't deserve equal rights.

EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL!

NO H8

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