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#7704
Jan 23, 2013
 
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V V haven't you been listening to Kimar... All those things you listed are not marriages they are friendships.... I mean according to kimar if you do not reproduce iti s a f rinedship, not marriage... Right Kimar?.
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Oh... And one other thing... What do you call all of those couples who are mating and contributing to mankind's evolution, without being within the confines of marriage?
I'm talking about the 10,000,000 single mothers in this country.
Some are divorced (having come from formerly "constrained husband"), but many are just women who had children outside of wedlock.
Do they not contribute to mankind's evolutionary process? I believe they do; just not within the confines of marriage.
Let's "pretend" for a moment that homosexuality is "normal" -- two men mating would never produce any offspring and two women mating would never produce any offspring -- thus evolution would be a moot point. Now, unless you have become a God of some notion (by your novels of such expertize you most assuredly assert yourself as such) the egg must make contact with sperm to produce "people" -right? Which brings me to my point, two gays will never produce their offspring -- think about that for awhile. Now if homosexuality is so "normal" why did our Creator (whom you profess to know all about) not make a way for them to have offspring?

By the way, you must be very excited that the pedophiles are using homosexuality as their backdrop from insisting that their sexual orientation is "normal" as well. Your being so learned, surely you have been reading the latest rantings of the left wingers on this "sickening" subject.

No one has said that one man/one woman (God's plan) is a perfect one, but it IS and will ALWAYS be His plan -- no matter how much a "mess" men and women make of it.

May God someday - before you leave this world - help you understand his intended plan.

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Let's "pretend" for a moment that homosexuality is "normal" -- two men mating would never produce any offspring and two women mating would never produce any offspring -- thus evolution would be a moot point. Now, unless you have become a God of some notion (by your novels of such expertize you most assuredly assert yourself as such) the egg must make contact with sperm to produce "people" -right? Which brings me to my point, two gays will never produce their offspring -- think about that for awhile. Now if homosexuality is so "normal" why did our Creator (whom you profess to know all about) not make a way for them to have offspring?
By the way, you must be very excited that the pedophiles are using homosexuality as their backdrop from insisting that their sexual orientation is "normal" as well. Your being so learned, surely you have been reading the latest rantings of the left wingers on this "sickening" subject.
No one has said that one man/one woman (God's plan) is a perfect one, but it IS and will ALWAYS be His plan -- no matter how much a "mess" men and women make of it.
May God someday - before you leave this world - help you understand his intended plan.
1.) Not every single person on this planet was placed here to produce children. That is not our sole pupose. Keep in mind, God creates infertile people--just like He makes gay people. Maybe He has built into His plan that some of us are not destined to have children. As you mull this over, there are over 7,000,000,000 people on the planet--many of whom live in substandard conditions. We can't take care of the population we've already created. So, I'm not sure why you're on here complaining that gays and lesbians aren't reproducing "as God intended".

2.) You must be equally excited to know that many "so-called Christians" believe that women are inferior to men, that blacks are inferior to whites, that we should wage wars against "un-Christian" nations, and that we should put criminals to death--even though God and Christ clearly say that killing is a sin. Oh, and that "slavery thing", most so-called Christians supported that too--pointing to Biblical passages as proof of support.

3.) May God touch your heart to become more understanding of how God created His world. May you some how find peace in knowing that gays have been on this planet since the beginning and we will continue to be here for the forseeable future. Since neither you nor I know God's mind, it's kind of a moot point for us to try to second guess Him. All I know is that I am in contact with God through my personal relationship with Him. And I am comfortable in the way that He made me.

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Jan 23, 2013
 
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The gist of what you are saying is that marriage is a worldwide practice that was invented by mankind to hold one man to one woman for the sole purpose mating and the continuation of the species.
And you and I both know this isn't the case.
I've listed the multiple reasons that people get married. Many of these reasons have nothing to do with mating or continuing our species.
--An 80 year old rich man who marries a 20 year old bombshell (trophy wife) may have no interest in reproducing.
--Two elderly people who get married--either widowed or divorced--may not want to mate or be unable to mate or reproduce.
--Two divorced couples with children may marry, but decide that they have enough children and are not interested in creating more.
--A couple in which one is infertile cannot mate, reproduce and produce an offspring.
--A couple who marry and simply does not want to produce offspring (one person may get a vasectomy, the other may get tubal ligation.
These are largely Western examples of not getting married where the sole intention is to reproduce and continue the species.
In China and other parts of the world, "ghost marriages" are performed, in which a deceased person is married to a living person or two deceased people are married to one another at some point after the death(s) have occurred. Obviously, this kind of marriage doesn't involve reproduction--doesn't involve the continuation of the species.
Marriages in many parts of the world are simply property based. In other parts of the world they are performed to tie two tribes together or to settle disputes between two tribes.
And as we all know, the "constraint argument"--the one in which you claim marriage "constrains" the man from marrying others, is not practiced. Many cultures practice polygyny or polygamy. Many cultures may practice a "monogamous marriage", but encourage or allow for mistresses.
So, you see, your "quote"--the one you won't reference--is clearly flawed. It simply is not true.
In your favor, many people do marry in order to create a family. But not all do this.
Your quote should read, ""Marriage is O-F-T-E-N a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior. However, there are other reasons for marriage; many that do not place the same constraints on couples and some that are not for the purposes of evolutionary mating behavior."
I still am very interested in where you came up with your quote. At this point, I'm pretty sure it's something you created yourself and not a "social science fact" as you previously claimed.
In all the cases you list, the question rises, why is marriage the only option?

Answer; Because of the cross cultural constraint. That constraint is rooted in procreation. Yet, it's influence establishes a cultural expectation of marriage.

Or put differently, if there was not the ponderous propensity for children, marriage would not have the cultural hold.

As to the basic essence of marriage; a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior, all you have to do is disprove it.

Maybe if you study mating behavior, you might find a better definition?

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veryvermilion wrote:
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Oh... And one other thing... What do you call all of those couples who are mating and contributing to mankind's evolution, without being within the confines of marriage?
I'm talking about the 10,000,000 single mothers in this country.
Some are divorced (having come from formerly "constrained husband"), but many are just women who had children outside of wedlock.
Do they not contribute to mankind's evolutionary process? I believe they do; just not within the confines of marriage.
I call them harmful to children and a burden on society. Hence you have women today doing everything a man can do, literally. And men bailing on their identity and duties as a male.

All you did was point out the importance of marriage. Exactly why SCOTUS has numerous times noted it's importance to society.

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Jan 23, 2013
 
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In all the cases you list, the question rises, why is marriage the only option?
Answer; Because of the cross cultural constraint. That constraint is rooted in procreation. Yet, it's influence establishes a cultural expectation of marriage.
Or put differently, if there was not the ponderous propensity for children, marriage would not have the cultural hold.
As to the basic essence of marriage; a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior, all you have to do is disprove it.
Maybe if you study mating behavior, you might find a better definition?
Snicker.
Oh! I see what you did! You've changed what you've been saying all along.

This time you say "the basic essence of marriage".

No longer are you clinging to your insistence that all marriages are a "cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior".

Now it's just "the basic essence".

I think everyone on here has, at least to my satisfaction, disproved your ridiculous claim.

The bottom line is that there are many reasons for people to marry. Some has to do with procreation. Others have nothing to do with procreation.

Our government does not become involved as to the reasons people wish to become married.

They don't consult social scientists. They don't consult me. They don't consult you.

Marriage, according to various Supreme Court findings, is a right guaranteed under the Constitution.

They will have an opportunity to determine if same-sex couples are covered by that right.

And I promise you that none of them--no one in before the justices--will pull out your asinine claim, "marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior."

Now, I'm giving you one last opportunity to tell everyone here... Where did you get your quote--the "cross cultural constraint" bullshit quote that you keep running up the flagpole, hoping someone will salute it?

Either you fabricated it or someone else said it.

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Jan 23, 2013
 
KiMare wrote:
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I call them harmful to children and a burden on society. Hence you have women today doing everything a man can do, literally. And men bailing on their identity and duties as a male.
All you did was point out the importance of marriage. Exactly why SCOTUS has numerous times noted it's importance to society.
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Harmful to children?!?

You know, the bottom line here is that you are judgmental, moralistic shit-stain on society.

You believe that you have the right and responsibility to stick your nose into everyone else's activities.

Here's a quote I believe we can all agree on "Kimare's presence is a cross cultural constraint on mankind's evolution".

Please move your self-loathing, closeted self to a desert island where you can rule the palm trees and sand.

The world would heave a sigh of relief.

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Oh! I see what you did! You've changed what you've been saying all along.
This time you say "the basic essence of marriage".
No longer are you clinging to your insistence that all marriages are a "cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior".
Now it's just "the basic essence".
I think everyone on here has, at least to my satisfaction, disproved your ridiculous claim.
The bottom line is that there are many reasons for people to marry. Some has to do with procreation. Others have nothing to do with procreation.
Our government does not become involved as to the reasons people wish to become married.
They don't consult social scientists. They don't consult me. They don't consult you.
Marriage, according to various Supreme Court findings, is a right guaranteed under the Constitution.
They will have an opportunity to determine if same-sex couples are covered by that right.
And I promise you that none of them--no one in before the justices--will pull out your asinine claim, "marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior."
Now, I'm giving you one last opportunity to tell everyone here... Where did you get your quote--the "cross cultural constraint" bullshit quote that you keep running up the flagpole, hoping someone will salute it?
Either you fabricated it or someone else said it.
When I said 'basic essence', I was referring to 'marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.'

You keep bouncing around, looking for a fracture in the integrity of truth. There is none.

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Jan 23, 2013
 
KiMare wrote:
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I call them harmful to children and a burden on society. Hence you have women today doing everything a man can do, literally. And men bailing on their identity and duties as a male.
All you did was point out the importance of marriage. Exactly why SCOTUS has numerous times noted it's importance to society.
Smile.
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Harmful to children?!?
You know, the bottom line here is that you are judgmental, moralistic shit-stain on society.
You believe that you have the right and responsibility to stick your nose into everyone else's activities.
Here's a quote I believe we can all agree on "Kimare's presence is a cross cultural constraint on mankind's evolution".
Please move your self-loathing, closeted self to a desert island where you can rule the palm trees and sand.
The world would heave a sigh of relief.
Ten million children without their father around. You don't think that is harmful to the child???

Your gay twirl keeps flinging the shit back on yourself.

Wake up Vv.

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1.) Not every single person on this planet was placed here to produce children. That is not our sole pupose. Keep in mind, God creates infertile people--just like He makes gay people. Maybe He has built into His plan that some of us are not destined to have children. As you mull this over, there are over 7,000,000,000 people on the planet--many of whom live in substandard conditions. We can't take care of the population we've already created. So, I'm not sure why you're on here complaining that gays and lesbians aren't reproducing "as God intended".
2.) You must be equally excited to know that many "so-called Christians" believe that women are inferior to men, that blacks are inferior to whites, that we should wage wars against "un-Christian" nations, and that we should put criminals to death--even though God and Christ clearly say that killing is a sin. Oh, and that "slavery thing", most so-called Christians supported that too--pointing to Biblical passages as proof of support.
3.) May God touch your heart to become more understanding of how God created His world. May you some how find peace in knowing that gays have been on this planet since the beginning and we will continue to be here for the forseeable future. Since neither you nor I know God's mind, it's kind of a moot point for us to try to second guess Him. All I know is that I am in contact with God through my personal relationship with Him. And I am comfortable in the way that He made me.
I just hope I am present when you stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ and try to explain "your" bible versus HIS TRUTH! I would not want to be in your shoes for all this world has to offer.

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Jan 23, 2013
 
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I just hope I am present when you stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ and try to explain "your" bible versus HIS TRUTH! I would not want to be in your shoes for all this world has to offer.
So, in your "so-called Christian" love, you hope you can be present at my judgment before God so that you can witness my supposed eternal damnation?

I think your comments say so much more about you than about me.

In our conversation here's what I hope you come away with... You are not God. Neither am I. You are not without sin. Neither am I.

The very best that we can do is to try to live the very best life that we can--helping others, loving our neighbors as we love ourselves, and praising God to the best of our abilities.

Why don't you focus on that instead of hoping that your "neighbor" gets judged to hell?

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Jan 23, 2013
 
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KiMare wrote:
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I call them harmful to children and a burden on society. Hence you have women today doing everything a man can do, literally. And men bailing on their identity and duties as a male.
All you did was point out the importance of marriage. Exactly why SCOTUS has numerous times noted it's importance to society.
Smile.
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Ten million children without their father around. You don't think that is harmful to the child???
Your gay twirl keeps flinging the shit back on yourself.
Wake up Vv.
Smile.
Whether it's harmful or not, it's reality. These children are the ones who will inherit the Earth.

Your stomping and fuming won't change reality.

And do you know what I'm betting? I'm betting that the world will continue to spin; mankind will continue to dominate the planet; and families will continue to exist.

I think the thing you have missed in the entire two years you've been coming here is that "marriage" is a man-made construct. It's not genetic. It's not a super natural event. It's not the "end all", whoop-dee-doo, golden trophy that you make it out to be.

Marriage is, in its most basic form, a contract between people.

In this country it's between two people. In other countries it's between two or more people. In some other countries, it's between tribes or groups.

I think you repeatedly confuse "marriage" with "family unit".

And as you well know, there are un-married couples who have extremely cohesive and successful family units; just as there are married couples who have chaotic and dysfunctional family units.

If you want to "save the children", by all means do it!

But you're doing no one a service by pretending that a legal marriage contract between people is what's going to successfully further society.

I await your repeated "cross-cultural" bull-shit reply.

Though I'm hoping you'll take each point I make and respond to them honestly and thoughtfully.

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Jan 23, 2013
 
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I just hope I am present when you stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ and try to explain "your" bible versus HIS TRUTH! I would not want to be in your shoes for all this world has to offer.
No, but you want to be in your smug-assed body standing there with a condescending smirk. WWJD? He wouldn't act like you; a total douch-bag.

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Jan 23, 2013
 
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote: some geriatric troll droppings...

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HaHaHa!!! He called you a shit-stain on society!!!!!!

It's funny, because it's true.

Troll on, Mangina Man.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
veryvermilion wrote:
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Whether it's harmful or not, it's reality. These children are the ones who will inherit the Earth.
Your stomping and fuming won't change reality.
And do you know what I'm betting? I'm betting that the world will continue to spin; mankind will continue to dominate the planet; and families will continue to exist.
I think the thing you have missed in the entire two years you've been coming here is that "marriage" is a man-made construct. It's not genetic. It's not a super natural event. It's not the "end all", whoop-dee-doo, golden trophy that you make it out to be.
Marriage is, in its most basic form, a contract between people.
In this country it's between two people. In other countries it's between two or more people. In some other countries, it's between tribes or groups.
I think you repeatedly confuse "marriage" with "family unit".
And as you well know, there are un-married couples who have extremely cohesive and successful family units; just as there are married couples who have chaotic and dysfunctional family units.
If you want to "save the children", by all means do it!
But you're doing no one a service by pretending that a legal marriage contract between people is what's going to successfully further society.
I await your repeated "cross-cultural" bull-shit reply.
Though I'm hoping you'll take each point I make and respond to them honestly and thoughtfully.
Interesting. You castigate a poster for noting accountability before God and then brush off the care of children after calling me a shit stain for caring. Selective morality.

If marriage to you is only a contract, draw one up for gay couples and leave marriage alone.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
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If marriage to you is only a contract, draw one up for gay couples and leave marriage alone.
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MY right to legally marry has NO bearing on your life. You lose nothing; your wife loses nothing; your children lose nothing; your psychotic alter ego and your mangina lose nothing.

There's NO justification for denying gay couple the same legal rights that you have. None.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
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...leave marriage alone.
Smile.
Those three words sum up the entirety of your online trolling arguments.

You don't give a rat's ass about ANYTHING, other than having claim to the word marriage. You've just revealed yourself to be the total douche-bag that we've all know you are.

FYI, we took your word "marriage" and we're claiming it too. Not a damned thing you can do about it Kuntmare.

Troll on, Mangina Man.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
Interesting. You castigate a poster for noting accountability before God and then brush off the care of children after calling me a shit stain for caring. Selective morality.

If marriage to you is only a contract, draw one up for gay couples and leave marriage alone.

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MY right to legally marry has NO bearing on your life. You lose nothing; your wife loses nothing; your children lose nothing; your psychotic alter ego and your mangina lose nothing.
There's NO justification for denying gay couple the same legal rights that you have. None.
Untrue on all counts. The most telling, two guys depleting resources and using protections meant for women and children!

You have no marriage. No court can impose it's will over reality.

Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior. You and your partner are a direct defective failure of the fundamental goal of evolutionary mating behavior. Literally 'unmarriage'.

Sorry.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
KiMare wrote:
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I call them harmful to children and a burden on society. Hence you have women today doing everything a man can do, literally. And men bailing on their identity and duties as a male.
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Opinions of a geriatric troll, not fact.

Troll on, Mangina Man
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Jan 24, 2013
 
KiMare wrote:
Interesting. You castigate a poster for noting accountability before God and then brush off the care of children after calling me a shit stain for caring. Selective morality.
If marriage to you is only a contract, draw one up for gay couples and leave marriage alone.
Smile.
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Untrue on all counts. The most telling, two guys depleting resources and using protections meant for women and children!
You have no marriage. No court can impose it's will over reality.
Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior. You and your partner are a direct defective failure of the fundamental goal of evolutionary mating behavior. Literally 'unmarriage'.
Sorry.
Smile.
"Untrue on all counts. The most telling, two guys depleting resources and using protections meant for women and children!"
A) you keep saying this... but never says how two guys depleating .. yada yada, differs from a infertile couple. How does the infertile couple not deplete yada yada....
B ) you say to "guys"... you do realize it could be two girls... but we know you get a stiffie thinking of two girls together.. so that must be ok
wink

"You and your partner are a direct defective failure of the fundamental goal of evolutionary mating behavior. Literally 'unmarriage'."
Again with this silly statement... if he and his partner are a direct defective yada yada... then by your own statement of evolutionary yada yada, you must admit that infertile couples are an evolutionary yada yada, and thus also an unmarriage.

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