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“Marriage equality for all”

Since: Jul 07

Illinois

#7580 Jan 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a girl?!
Smirk.
If I were a girl, I'd still be more of a man than you'll ever be.

“Marriage equality for all”

Since: Jul 07

Illinois

#7581 Jan 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You have no counter to the essence of marriage; a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
And gay couples don't qualify.
Are you registered yet as a gay pedophile?
:-)
And the vaginal troll resorts to pedophilia insults. Total douche-bag, Kuntmare.
come on now

Bolingbrook, IL

#7582 Jan 18, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
You say:
"Marriage without children is simply friendship. No prevailing reason for government involvement. Contracts already address every issue."
--So, barren couples, elderly couples, and any other couples who choose not to have children should not be allowed to marry?


I have asked him this I do not know how many times now. I asked him to explain how a ssm is a "friendship" because they can not have children, yet a infertile couple who can have no more children than the ssm... is a marriage. So far the closest thing to an answer he has given is the percentage is so low it does not matter.... Can you make sense of that?... Yes Kimar making sense... oxymoron.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#7583 Jan 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You have no counter to the essence of marriage; a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
And gay couples don't qualify.
Are you registered yet as a gay pedophile?
:-)
What is the essence of marriage? Is it the $72 billion per year is spent on weddings? Maybe it's the $175 billion is spent per year on divorce in the U.S.

You heterosexuals have made a mockery of marriage.

And why would I be registered as a gay pedophile? I have no interest in children--never have.

Just because you can't handle your truth you try to shame me? Please bitch...

You need to look into your own madness. I am a gay man discussing issues that are important to the LGBT community.

You, on the other hand, are a "straight" man who has come here for over 2 years--seeking attention, talking about gay-male sex, and frequently showing an obsession with the anus.

You've repeatedly brought these issues up. I don't know why you would be ashamed of my pointing these facts out.

And have you noticed that you're the only "straight" man who has been here all this time? There are no others. Just you...

What does that say about you?

How many times over the past two years have gay people gone into florid details about heterosexual intercourse--without you having brought up gay sex first?

The truth is that we don't obsess over it. We don't care about what straight people do in bed.

And most straight people don't obsess over gay sex. They may have a passing thought, but not 2 years worth of obsession.

I've said to you many times; you need help. You need to figure out why you are so obsessed with this issue.

Gay marriage doesn't impact you. Gay people don't impact you. But for some reason, you have a white-knuckle, no-holds-barred, laser-like fascination with everything that involves gay people--almost exclusively gay men.

I wonder if your wife knows about this? I wonder what she would say if she knew just how much time and energy you devote to your hobby? Would she be worried? Would she insist that you seek therapy? Would she leave you?

These are questions you need to ask yourself.
come on now

Bolingbrook, IL

#7584 Jan 18, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
What is the essence of marriage? Is it the $72 billion per year is spent on weddings? Maybe it's the $175 billion is spent per year on divorce in the U.S.
You heterosexuals have made a mockery of marriage.
And why would I be registered as a gay pedophile? I have no interest in children--never have.
Just because you can't handle your truth you try to shame me? Please bitch...
You need to look into your own madness. I am a gay man discussing issues that are important to the LGBT community.
You, on the other hand, are a "straight" man who has come here for over 2 years--seeking attention, talking about gay-male sex, and frequently showing an obsession with the anus.
You've repeatedly brought these issues up. I don't know why you would be ashamed of my pointing these facts out.
And have you noticed that you're the only "straight" man who has been here all this time? There are no others. Just you...
What does that say about you?
How many times over the past two years have gay people gone into florid details about heterosexual intercourse--without you having brought up gay sex first?
The truth is that we don't obsess over it. We don't care about what straight people do in bed.
And most straight people don't obsess over gay sex. They may have a passing thought, but not 2 years worth of obsession.
I've said to you many times; you need help. You need to figure out why you are so obsessed with this issue.
Gay marriage doesn't impact you. Gay people don't impact you. But for some reason, you have a white-knuckle, no-holds-barred, laser-like fascination with everything that involves gay people--almost exclusively gay men.
I wonder if your wife knows about this? I wonder what she would say if she knew just how much time and energy you devote to your hobby? Would she be worried? Would she insist that you seek therapy? Would she leave you?
These are questions you need to ask yourself.
"And have you noticed that you're the only "straight" man who has been here all this time? There are no others. Just you... "

V V
I am on your side as you can tell by my posts. However I can not let you get by with this statement. By saying this you are no better than the people who assume that if you are on the side of ssm you must be a homosexual. I am for homosexual rights, black rights, womens right, and handicapped rights (to name a few). That does not make me a black wheel chair bound lesbian does it.... It just makes me an american

For the record I am hetero male. As wittness my kids, and happy wife.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#7585 Jan 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Most recent;
http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authored_new...
"Oxford, June 10, 2012 - Despite considerable research showing that children of same-sex parents fare just as well as children with heterosexual parents, two papers - a review of existing studies and a new study - published today in Elsevier’s Social Science Research, find insufficient data to draw any definitive conclusions.
The review by Dr. Loren Marks from Louisiana State University finds that much of the science that forms the basis for the highly regarded External link 2005 official brief on same-sex parenting by the American Psychological Association (APA) does not stand up to scrutiny. The new study by University of Texas sociologist and professor Mark Regnerus, provides compelling new evidence that numerous differences in social and emotional well-being do exist between young adults raised by women who have had a lesbian relationship and those who have grown up in a nuclear family.
Dr. Marks reviewed studies published between 1980 and 2005 cited by the 2005 official APA brief which asserted that:“Not a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents.”
“The jury is still out on whether being raised by same-sex parents disadvantages children”, explains Marks.“However, the available data on which the APA draws its conclusions, derived primarily from small convenience samples, are insufficient to support a strong generalized claim either way.”
Of the 59 studies referenced in the APA brief, more than three-quarters were based on small, non-representative, non-random samples that did not include any minority individuals or families; nearly half lacked a heterosexual comparison group; and few examined outcomes that extend beyond childhood such as intergenerational poverty, educational attainment, and criminality, which are a key focus of studies on children of divorce, remarriage, and cohabitation. In other words, "A lack of high quality data leaves the most significant questions unaddressed and unanswered," concludes Marks."
Mark Regnerus has said in subsequent interviews about his study, "I take pains in the study to say this is not about saying gay or lesbian parents are inherently bad."

He goes on to say, "It is not a study about parenting or parenthood or parenting practices. I didn't measure parenting practices."

So, he was merely crunching numbers, not looking at the QUALITY of the parenting practices.

Bottom line, most recent does not equate to most correct. There are too many other studies that have resulted in different findings.

If you knew anything about science, you would know that reproducibility--the reaching of the same conclusions over and over--is the most important factor when it comes to making a determination about an issue.

At this point, there are many more studies that have found that there are no differences when it comes to the orientation of the parents when raising a child.

However, study after study continues to underscore that the quality of parenting (resources, skills, education, temperment, etc.) is the greatest determining factor when it comes to successfully raising a child.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#7586 Jan 18, 2013
come on now wrote:
<quoted text>
"And have you noticed that you're the only "straight" man who has been here all this time? There are no others. Just you... "
V V
I am on your side as you can tell by my posts. However I can not let you get by with this statement. By saying this you are no better than the people who assume that if you are on the side of ssm you must be a homosexual. I am for homosexual rights, black rights, womens right, and handicapped rights (to name a few). That does not make me a black wheel chair bound lesbian does it.... It just makes me an american
For the record I am hetero male. As wittness my kids, and happy wife.
But the difference between you and Kimare is that he has been here regularly (sometimes daily) for over 2 years--saying the same outrageous stuff--being extremely graphic and personal.

You are not obsessed with a person's sexual plumbing. You do not go into florid details about any one's sexual activity. I don't get the impression that you feel it's any of your business.

This is the difference between you and Kimare.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#7587 Jan 19, 2013
eryvermilion wrote:
You say:
"Marriage without children is simply friendship. No prevailing reason for government involvement. Contracts already address every issue."
--So, barren couples, elderly couples, and any other couples who choose not to have children should not be allowed to marry?\
come on now wrote:
<quoted text>
I have asked him this I do not know how many times now. I asked him to explain how a ssm is a "friendship" because they can not have children, yet a infertile couple who can have no more children than the ssm... is a marriage. So far the closest thing to an answer he has given is the percentage is so low it does not matter.... Can you make sense of that?... Yes Kimar making sense... oxymoron.
Don't forget (deliberately) to add that I also said it was never a problem until gay couples that are barren attempted to fake marriage.

That is your problem. Why are you so ashamed of your relationships that you want to impose an imposter one on marriage?

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#7588 Jan 19, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
What is the essence of marriage? Is it the $72 billion per year is spent on weddings? Maybe it's the $175 billion is spent per year on divorce in the U.S.
You heterosexuals have made a mockery of marriage.
And why would I be registered as a gay pedophile? I have no interest in children--never have.
Just because you can't handle your truth you try to shame me? Please bitch...
You need to look into your own madness. I am a gay man discussing issues that are important to the LGBT community.
You, on the other hand, are a "straight" man who has come here for over 2 years--seeking attention, talking about gay-male sex, and frequently showing an obsession with the anus.
You've repeatedly brought these issues up. I don't know why you would be ashamed of my pointing these facts out.
And have you noticed that you're the only "straight" man who has been here all this time? There are no others. Just you...
What does that say about you?
How many times over the past two years have gay people gone into florid details about heterosexual intercourse--without you having brought up gay sex first?
The truth is that we don't obsess over it. We don't care about what straight people do in bed.
And most straight people don't obsess over gay sex. They may have a passing thought, but not 2 years worth of obsession.
I've said to you many times; you need help. You need to figure out why you are so obsessed with this issue.
Gay marriage doesn't impact you. Gay people don't impact you. But for some reason, you have a white-knuckle, no-holds-barred, laser-like fascination with everything that involves gay people--almost exclusively gay men.
I wonder if your wife knows about this? I wonder what she would say if she knew just how much time and energy you devote to your hobby? Would she be worried? Would she insist that you seek therapy? Would she leave you?
These are questions you need to ask yourself.
There is a much greater likelihood that you are a gay pedophile than I am gay.

The average gay pedophile has about 280 victims.

Homosexual males are maybe 2% of the population.

At least 1 in 6 boys are molested before age 18. That is pretty much equal to girls.

http://1in6.org/the-1-in-6-statistic/

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#7589 Jan 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You have no counter to the essence of marriage; a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
And gay couples don't qualify.
Are you registered yet as a gay pedophile?
:-)
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
What is the essence of marriage? Is it the $72 billion per year is spent on weddings? Maybe it's the $175 billion is spent per year on divorce in the U.S.
Like I said, you have no counter to the basic essence of marriage.

Snicker.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#7590 Jan 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Most recent;
http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authored_new ...
"Oxford, June 10, 2012 - Despite considerable research showing that children of same-sex parents fare just as well as children with heterosexual parents, two papers - a review of existing studies and a new study - published today in Elsevier’s Social Science Research, find insufficient data to draw any definitive conclusions.
The review by Dr. Loren Marks from Louisiana State University finds that much of the science that forms the basis for the highly regarded External link 2005 official brief on same-sex parenting by the American Psychological Association (APA) does not stand up to scrutiny. The new study by University of Texas sociologist and professor Mark Regnerus, provides compelling new evidence that numerous differences in social and emotional well-being do exist between young adults raised by women who have had a lesbian relationship and those who have grown up in a nuclear family.
Dr. Marks reviewed studies published between 1980 and 2005 cited by the 2005 official APA brief which asserted that:“Not a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents.”
“The jury is still out on whether being raised by same-sex parents disadvantages children”, explains Marks.“However, the available data on which the APA draws its conclusions, derived primarily from small convenience samples, are insufficient to support a strong generalized claim either way.”
Of the 59 studies referenced in the APA brief, more than three-quarters were based on small, non-representative, non-random samples that did not include any minority individuals or families; nearly half lacked a heterosexual comparison group; and few examined outcomes that extend beyond childhood such as intergenerational poverty, educational attainment, and criminality, which are a key focus of studies on children of divorce, remarriage, and cohabitation. In other words, "A lack of high quality data leaves the most significant questions unaddressed and unanswered," concludes Marks."
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Mark Regnerus has said in subsequent interviews about his study, "I take pains in the study to say this is not about saying gay or lesbian parents are inherently bad."
He goes on to say, "It is not a study about parenting or parenthood or parenting practices. I didn't measure parenting practices."
So, he was merely crunching numbers, not looking at the QUALITY of the parenting practices.
Bottom line, most recent does not equate to most correct. There are too many other studies that have resulted in different findings.
If you knew anything about science, you would know that reproducibility--the reaching of the same conclusions over and over--is the most important factor when it comes to making a determination about an issue.
At this point, there are many more studies that have found that there are no differences when it comes to the orientation of the parents when raising a child.
However, study after study continues to underscore that the quality of parenting (resources, skills, education, temperment, etc.) is the greatest determining factor when it comes to successfully raising a child.
My post was not about Regnerus, It was a study done by Dr. Loren Marks. It refers to the information you posted about gay 'parenting'.

The conclusion of the study was that there is not enough valid information to conclude any of the things you conclude.

The greatest determining factor by far when it comes to successfully raising a child is their biological mother and father.

Smirk.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#7591 Jan 19, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
But the difference between you and Kimare is that he has been here regularly (sometimes daily) for over 2 years--saying the same outrageous stuff--being extremely graphic and personal.
You are not obsessed with a person's sexual plumbing. You do not go into florid details about any one's sexual activity. I don't get the impression that you feel it's any of your business.
This is the difference between you and Kimare.
Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.

You have no justification for it, except to claim that anal sex equates to intimacy in marriage.

To abuse another person, or allow yourself to be abused and debased is violently and diametrically opposed to marriage.

Your only argument is to claim that I am gay. That is simply troll behavior. No different than me informing people that you are a pedophile.

Smile.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#7592 Jan 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a much greater likelihood that you are a gay pedophile than I am gay.
The average gay pedophile has about 280 victims.
Homosexual males are maybe 2% of the population.
At least 1 in 6 boys are molested before age 18. That is pretty much equal to girls.
http://1in6.org/the-1-in-6-statistic/
Smile.
According to the Child Welfare Information Gateway "A child's risk of being molested by his or her relatives' heterosexual partner is over one hundred times greater than by someone who might be identifiable as being homosexual." The American Psychological Association agrees, "Another myth about homosexuality is the mistaken belief that gay men have more of a tendency than heterosexual men to sexually molest children. There is no evidence to suggest that homosexuals molest children (more frequently)."
According to these reputable studies, gay men are actually less likely to molest children.

You continue to try to shift the focus away from your own comments and actions on here by making untrue comments about me. It's a very immature and sad strategy.

I, on the other hand, base my beliefs on the things that you have done and said here--your actual words.

It's like you're ashamed of the things you've said over and over. Why should you be ashamed of those things? If your own words and comments make you uncomfortable, then that's your issue. That's something that you need to deal with.

I have absolutely nothing to hide. I've never been accused of pedophilia--never been arrested, never had a child or anyone say that I've done anything like that. Nothing in my history supports your claims.

My claims about your questionable orientation are based on your own words and obsessive behaviors here.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#7593 Jan 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
You have no justification for it, except to claim that anal sex equates to intimacy in marriage.
To abuse another person, or allow yourself to be abused and debased is violently and diametrically opposed to marriage.
Your only argument is to claim that I am gay. That is simply troll behavior. No different than me informing people that you are a pedophile.
Smile.
So you admit that your comments about me is simply "troll behavior". We've known that all along.

My comments questioning your orientation are based on the fact that you, as a straight man, have been inordinately obsessed with all things involving gay men for at least a period of two years.

You bring up anal sex again in this post. What's the fascination? Why are you so interested in it?

You are the one who continues to equate anal sex with homosexuality. I've said to you on many occasions that not all gay men engage in anal sex. I've even pointed out to you that a large numbers of heterosexual couples engage in it.

But time after time after time you keep bringing this subject up.

Those men who engage in anal sex with other men have nothing to hide. They're not embarrassed. You waste your time by trying to shame them.

But each time you bring it up, you expose your cards. You let all of us see what's inside your own head. We get some insight as to what is the true focus of your issues.

If you want to "troll" on me because I make you feel uncomfortable, that's fine--knock yourself out. But you've obviously got some issues that need to be resolved. And that's something that you have to do on your own.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#7594 Jan 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Most recent;
http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authored_new ...
"Oxford, June 10, 2012 - Despite considerable research showing that children of same-sex parents fare just as well as children with heterosexual parents, two papers - a review of existing studies and a new study - published today in Elsevier’s Social Science Research, find insufficient data to draw any definitive conclusions.
The review by Dr. Loren Marks from Louisiana State University finds that much of the science that forms the basis for the highly regarded External link 2005 official brief on same-sex parenting by the American Psychological Association (APA) does not stand up to scrutiny. The new study by University of Texas sociologist and professor Mark Regnerus, provides compelling new evidence that numerous differences in social and emotional well-being do exist between young adults raised by women who have had a lesbian relationship and those who have grown up in a nuclear family.
Dr. Marks reviewed studies published between 1980 and 2005 cited by the 2005 official APA brief which asserted that:“Not a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents.”
“The jury is still out on whether being raised by same-sex parents disadvantages children”, explains Marks.“However, the available data on which the APA draws its conclusions, derived primarily from small convenience samples, are insufficient to support a strong generalized claim either way.”
Of the 59 studies referenced in the APA brief, more than three-quarters were based on small, non-representative, non-random samples that did not include any minority individuals or families; nearly half lacked a heterosexual comparison group; and few examined outcomes that extend beyond childhood such as intergenerational poverty, educational attainment, and criminality, which are a key focus of studies on children of divorce, remarriage, and cohabitation. In other words, "A lack of high quality data leaves the most significant questions unaddressed and unanswered," concludes Marks."
<quoted text>
My post was not about Regnerus, It was a study done by Dr. Loren Marks. It refers to the information you posted about gay 'parenting'.
The conclusion of the study was that there is not enough valid information to conclude any of the things you conclude.
The greatest determining factor by far when it comes to successfully raising a child is their biological mother and father.
Smirk.
Here's what Loren Marks has to say...

"Marks explained: "Not a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents. The jury is still out on whether being raised by same-sex-parents disadvantages children. However, the available data on which the APA draws its conclusions, derived primarily from small convenience samples, are insufficient to support a strong generalized claim either way." http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/2465...

Marks doesn't support Regnerus at all. In fact, Marks is pointing to Regnerus as being yet another flawed study that doesn't provide any conclusive evidence one way or another.

“Marriage equality for all”

Since: Jul 07

Illinois

#7595 Jan 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Anal sex is inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
You have no justification for it, except to claim that anal sex equates to intimacy in marriage.
You're not very creative about sex, are you? You ASSume that intimacy means sticking a penis in either a vagina, or an anus.
Sadly, for your wife, intimacy goes FAR beyond where you insert things (or not).
Further, you assume that ALL gay male couples are engaging in anal sex.
All of your attempts to deny the reality of gay marriage fail.
Sucks to be the Mangina Man.

“Marriage equality for all”

Since: Jul 07

Illinois

#7596 Jan 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>

Your only argument is to claim that I am gay. That is simply troll behavior. No different than me informing people that you are a pedophile.
Smile.
You're on EVERY gay thread on Topix delivering your opinions about SSM.

You're either trolling, or a latent homosexual. Since you aren't a homosexual.......

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#7597 Jan 19, 2013
Marengo Jon wrote:
<quoted text>
You're on EVERY gay thread on Topix delivering your opinions about SSM.
You're either trolling, or a latent homosexual. Since you aren't a homosexual.......
WOW! Until you mentioned that he was on other TOPIX threads, I believed that he only came to this one.

But as you pointed out, he's on many other TOPIX threads, saying the same things--obsessing over and focusing on gay sex--time and time again.

I had no idea the depths of his dysfunction. It really is pathological.

I'm glad you posted this. It really puts things into perspective.

Is there really any need to continue to feed this beast?

He is a mess. I recently said that I do not pity him. But after seeing just how screwed up he is, I'm beginning to feel a little bad for him. No one should be in this level of self-hatred and mental pain.

Let's hope he gets some help before he self-destructs.
come on now

Bolingbrook, IL

#7599 Jan 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
eryvermilion wrote:
You say:
"Marriage without children is simply friendship. No prevailing reason for government involvement. Contracts already address every issue."
--So, barren couples, elderly couples, and any other couples who choose not to have children should not be allowed to marry?\
<quoted text>
Don't forget (deliberately) to add that I also said it was never a problem until gay couples that are barren attempted to fake marriage.
That is your problem. Why are you so ashamed of your relationships that you want to impose an imposter one on marriage?
Smile.
The fact that you had no "problem" is irrelevant to the question. The fact is you deem a relationship not able to produce children is a "friendship" not a "marriage". The fact is that you have yet to say why infertile couples would be allowed to marry even though by your standards their relationship is a "friendship".

I am not ashamed of my relationship... I have a hot wife (imho). Your question is still asking thesame question you refuse to answer, just worded differently. Are infertile people so ashamed of their inablility to produce children that they " want to impose an imposter one on marriage?" Again unless you can show the difference, by your logic that is all that it is.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#7600 Jan 19, 2013
come on now wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact that you had no "problem" is irrelevant to the question. The fact is you deem a relationship not able to produce children is a "friendship" not a "marriage". The fact is that you have yet to say why infertile couples would be allowed to marry even though by your standards their relationship is a "friendship".
I am not ashamed of my relationship... I have a hot wife (imho). Your question is still asking thesame question you refuse to answer, just worded differently. Are infertile people so ashamed of their inablility to produce children that they " want to impose an imposter one on marriage?" Again unless you can show the difference, by your logic that is all that it is.
I just have to say how much, as a gay man, I appreciate you holding his feet to the fire on this issue. You really do seem to get it!

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