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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#7560 Jan 18, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Just like everything else, you are short-sighted.
Each child has a biological mother and father. Sometimes a kid's biological parents are pretty worthless--little more than a sperm/egg donor.
A more correct statement would be that every family is made up of a legal set of parents. Sometimes the legal parents are same-sex, sometimes they are opposite sex.
It's who raises the child that matters. Specifically, it's the parenting skills of the legal parents that matters.
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Same-sex marriage continues to make strides. The LGBT Community continues to get support. The latest person to come out in support of the community is none other than Rev. Steven Chalke, a Baptist Minister--one of the biggest Evangelical Leaders in the U.K.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/stev...
It's inevitable...
You are confusing a default set of parents with natural parents. The law recognizes natural parents post procreation. Default parents have to appeal to the law as substitute parents.

You repeated a lie again. A reprobate knows no shame.

Heresy has always been an attempt to justify sin. The witness of millions of Churches over thousands of years of Church history join with the Bible in condemning that act.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#7561 Jan 18, 2013
Marengo Jon wrote:
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The tide has turned; people voted in FAVOR of SSM in November, not against it.
You simply can't go online saying that SSM doesn't exist when it is legal in many places (already) and will soon be legally recognized by our government.
Seems to me that you're in denial about denial.
Troll on, Mangina Man.
Ssum (same sex unmarriage) is the closest gay couples will ever get. That is clear reality.

Snicker.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#7562 Jan 18, 2013
Marengo Jon wrote:
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In a perfect world, but you know that many bio parents suck at raising their own children. Thousands of children are in foster care (and many are later adopted) because their bio parents fail. You, of all people, should know this to be a fact.
At any rate, you're off topic again.
WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?
WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?
So?

Default parents fail far more. Kids prefer even poor parents over default parents.

I seek to provide children the best possible setting. You seek to harmfully use children, putting them in the worst possible setting to pretend you are married and a family.

What a depraved, selfish act! You end by scoffing at care for children in an attempt to justify your deception of marriage. Clear evidence of its illigetimacy!

“Marriage equality for all”

Since: Jul 07

Illinois

#7563 Jan 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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You seek to harmfully use children, putting them in the worst possible setting to pretend you are married and a family.
Bullshit. All I seek is full marriage equality.

Your arguments for children here are a red herring.

How's your snapper, mangina man?

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#7564 Jan 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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So?
Default parents fail far more. Kids prefer even poor parents over default parents.
I seek to provide children the best possible setting. You seek to harmfully use children, putting them in the worst possible setting to pretend you are married and a family.
What a depraved, selfish act! You end by scoffing at care for children in an attempt to justify your deception of marriage. Clear evidence of its illigetimacy!
You cannot come up with legal arguments opposing same-sex marriage. You go back to the church or self-created moral arguments.

Instead, you try to pin marriage to children--try to prove that same-sex couples cannot successfully raise children; even though millions do.

Good luck with your continued spinning, ass-man.

“Marriage equality for all”

Since: Jul 07

Illinois

#7565 Jan 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Ssum (same sex unmarriage) is the closest gay couples will ever get. That is clear reality.
Snicker.
The states and countries that currently recognize SSM's don't call them SSUM. That's your bias, your stupidity, and another failed attempt at humor. You should consult with inner lesbian before you hit the "post comment" button. She could probably save you a lot of future embarrassment.

SSM is marriage in every possible way. Your opinions don't change anything for anyone, hunty.

Troll on, Mangina Man.

“Marriage equality for all”

Since: Jul 07

Illinois

#7566 Jan 18, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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You cannot come up with legal arguments opposing same-sex marriage. You go back to the church or self-created moral arguments.
Instead, you try to pin marriage to children--try to prove that same-sex couples cannot successfully raise children; even though millions do.
Good luck with your continued spinning, ass-man.
The troll's got nunthin', except for a third nipple, a mangina, and psychotic alter-ego. Zher delusion opinions change nothing for the many, many couples already in a SSM.

WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!?!?!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#7567 Jan 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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So?
Default parents fail far more. Kids prefer even poor parents over default parents.
I seek to provide children the best possible setting. You seek to harmfully use children, putting them in the worst possible setting to pretend you are married and a family.
What a depraved, selfish act! You end by scoffing at care for children in an attempt to justify your deception of marriage. Clear evidence of its illigetimacy!
veryvermilion wrote:
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You cannot come up with legal arguments opposing same-sex marriage. You go back to the church or self-created moral arguments.
Instead, you try to pin marriage to children--try to prove that same-sex couples cannot successfully raise children; even though millions do.
Good luck with your continued spinning, ass-man.
There is absolutely nothing spun in my post.

Yours on the other hand is diversion and denial with a twirl.

Untwriled;

Marriage without children is simply friendship. No prevailing reason for government involvement. Contracts already address every issue.

The Regnerus study proves that the most dangerous default setting for children is with lesbian couples. Gay couples did not even register!

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#7568 Jan 18, 2013
Marengo Jon wrote:
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The states and countries that currently recognize SSM's don't call them SSUM. That's your bias, your stupidity, and another failed attempt at humor. You should consult with inner lesbian before you hit the "post comment" button. She could probably save you a lot of future embarrassment.
SSM is marriage in every possible way. Your opinions don't change anything for anyone, hunty.
Troll on, Mangina Man.
I base that label on the reality of evolutionary science.

You base yours on denial and deceit.

An example is that ssum is marriage in every possible way. Except in gender diversity... to start with...

Snicker.

“Marriage equality for all”

Since: Jul 07

Illinois

#7569 Jan 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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I base that label on the reality of evolutionary science.
You base yours on denial and deceit.
An example is that ssum is marriage in every possible way. Except in gender diversity... to start with...
Snicker.
Look here, hunty, your opinions are just that.

Let's try this reality on; what effect have your opinions had on the legal status of the thousands of couples across America who are in legal marriages?

When the Illinois Assembly votes on marriage equality, they won't be calling Kuntmare for an opinion.

See, you have no power here.

Troll on, Mangina Man.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#7570 Jan 18, 2013
Marengo Jon wrote:
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Look here, hunty, your opinions are just that.
Let's try this reality on; what effect have your opinions had on the legal status of the thousands of couples across America who are in legal marriages?
When the Illinois Assembly votes on marriage equality, they won't be calling Kuntmare for an opinion.
See, you have no power here.
Troll on, Mangina Man.
Do you know what the IL assembly has been doing lately?

Smirk.

“Marriage equality for all”

Since: Jul 07

Illinois

#7571 Jan 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Do you know what the IL assembly has been doing lately?
Smirk.
Frankly, I just can't imagine how they could possibly do ANYTHING without your input. Please detect heavy gay sarcasm.
blinky

Nashville, TN

#7572 Jan 18, 2013
well, I know many gay couples whome are more faithful than straight couples and also more dedicated to each other. why should a dedicated couple of many decades be overruled by a family member who has nothing to do with their relative while living, have sole authority during one of the couples death.

so you have a gay couple in which one dies and the family of the deceased over rules the survivor of the couple over their property. Not cool. allow them marriage and civil rights for their dedication to each other.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#7573 Jan 18, 2013
blinky wrote:
well, I know many gay couples whome are more faithful than straight couples and also more dedicated to each other. why should a dedicated couple of many decades be overruled by a family member who has nothing to do with their relative while living, have sole authority during one of the couples death.
so you have a gay couple in which one dies and the family of the deceased over rules the survivor of the couple over their property. Not cool. allow them marriage and civil rights for their dedication to each other.
There are contracts that accomplish that for friendships.

Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

Gay couples are a direct and defective violation of the primary purpose of evolution. Literally unmarriage.

Smile.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#7574 Jan 18, 2013
You say:
"Marriage without children is simply friendship. No prevailing reason for government involvement. Contracts already address every issue."

--So, barren couples, elderly couples, and any other couples who choose not to have children should not be allowed to marry?

You say:
The Regnerus study proves that the most dangerous default setting for children is with lesbian couples. Gay couples did not even register! Smile.

--Flaks, David K.; Ficher, Ilda; Masterpasqua, and Frank; Joseph, Gregory compared 15 lesbian couples and the 3- to 9-yr-old children born to them through donor insemination with 15 matched, heterosexual-parent families. A variety of assessment measures were used to evaluate the children's cognitive functioning and behavioral adjustment as well as the parents' relationship quality and parenting skills. Results revealed no significant differences between the 2 groups of children, who also compared favorably with the standardization samples for the instruments used. In addition, no significant differences were found between dyadic adjustment of lesbian and heterosexual couples. Only in the area of parenting did the 2 groups of couples differ; lesbian couples exhibited more parenting awareness skills than did heterosexual couples.("Lesbians choosing motherhood: A comparative study of lesbian and heterosexual parents and their children"; Developmental Psychology, Vol 31(1), Jan 1995)

--Charlotte J. Patterson's paper reviews research evidence regarding the personal and social development of children with gay and lesbian parents. Beginning with estimates of the numbers of such children, sociocultural, theoretical, and legal reasons for attention to their development are then outlined. In this context, research studies on sexual identity, personal development, and social relationships among these children are then reviewed. These studies include assessment of possible differences between children with gay or lesbian versus heterosexual parents as well as research on sources of diversity among children of gay and lesbian parents. Research on these topics is relatively new, and many important questions have yet to be addressed. To date, however, there is no evidence that the development of children with lesbian or gay parents is compromised in any significant respect relative to that among children of heterosexual parents in otherwise comparable circumstances. Having begun to respond to heterosexist and homophobic questions posed by psychological theory, judicial opinion, and popular prejudice, child development researchers are now in a position also to explore a broader range of issues raised by the emergence of different kinds of gay and lesbian families.("Children of Lesbian and Gay Parents"; Child Development, Vol. 63 October 1992)

--Melanie A. Gold, Ellen C. Perrin, Donna Futterman, and Stanford B. Friedman find that there are no data to suggest that children who have gay or lesbian parents are different in any aspects of psychological, social, and sexual development from children in heterosexual families. There has been fear that children raised in gay or lesbian households will grow up to be homosexual, develop improper sex-role behavior or sexual conflicts, and may be sexually abused. There has been concern that children raised by gay or lesbian parents will be stigmatized and have conflicts with their peer group, thus threatening their psychological health, self-esteem, and social relationships. These fears and concerns have not been substantiated by research. Pediatricians can facilitate the health care and development of these children by being aware of these and their own attitudes, by educating themselves about special concerns of gay or lesbian parents, and by being a resource and an advocate for children who have homosexual parents.("Children of Gay or Lesbian Parents"; American Academy of Pediatrics, NeoReviews Vol. 15 No. 9 September 1, 1994)

“Marriage equality for all”

Since: Jul 07

Illinois

#7575 Jan 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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There are contracts that accomplish that for friendships.
I don't have sex with my friends; I have sex with my husband.

You're a total douche-bag, kuntmare.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#7576 Jan 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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There are contracts that accomplish that for friendships.
Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
Gay couples are a direct and defective violation of the primary purpose of evolution. Literally unmarriage.
Smile.
You're exactly right... There are contracts that can establish those protections. They are called MARRIAGES!

You lie when you say that any other contract is capable of providing the same protections or rights that marriage provide.

Closeted, self-loathing, homophobes are mentally defective. You should look into that.

As has been pointed out before, it's men such as yourself--men who speak out so vehemently against gays--who are secretly attracted to other guys.

You come here to get your gay fix. This is your virtual "gay bar". It's the only way that you can allow your self-hating self to get near other gay people. It's the only reason you've been here for over 2 years--talking almost exclusively about gay male sex--obsessing over it.

You need help in the worst way.

If your words weren't so destructive I could maybe pity you. But I don't. You deserve the hell you create for yourself.

The only way you'll ever find any peace is through atonement for your hate-filled comments and constant spread of ignorance.

Until you do right by us, you will continue to be plagued by self-hatred and gay obsession.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#7577 Jan 18, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
dren of Gay or Lesbian Parents"; American Academy of Pediatrics, NeoReviews Vol. 15 No. 9 September 1, 1994)
Most recent;
http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/authored_new...
"Oxford, June 10, 2012 - Despite considerable research showing that children of same-sex parents fare just as well as children with heterosexual parents, two papers - a review of existing studies and a new study - published today in Elsevier’s Social Science Research, find insufficient data to draw any definitive conclusions.
The review by Dr. Loren Marks from Louisiana State University finds that much of the science that forms the basis for the highly regarded External link 2005 official brief on same-sex parenting by the American Psychological Association (APA) does not stand up to scrutiny. The new study by University of Texas sociologist and professor Mark Regnerus, provides compelling new evidence that numerous differences in social and emotional well-being do exist between young adults raised by women who have had a lesbian relationship and those who have grown up in a nuclear family.
Dr. Marks reviewed studies published between 1980 and 2005 cited by the 2005 official APA brief which asserted that:“Not a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents.”
“The jury is still out on whether being raised by same-sex parents disadvantages children”, explains Marks.“However, the available data on which the APA draws its conclusions, derived primarily from small convenience samples, are insufficient to support a strong generalized claim either way.”
Of the 59 studies referenced in the APA brief, more than three-quarters were based on small, non-representative, non-random samples that did not include any minority individuals or families; nearly half lacked a heterosexual comparison group; and few examined outcomes that extend beyond childhood such as intergenerational poverty, educational attainment, and criminality, which are a key focus of studies on children of divorce, remarriage, and cohabitation. In other words, "A lack of high quality data leaves the most significant questions unaddressed and unanswered," concludes Marks."

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#7578 Jan 18, 2013
Marengo Jon wrote:
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I don't have sex with my friends; I have sex with my husband.
You're a total douche-bag, kuntmare.
You are a girl?!

Smirk.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#7579 Jan 18, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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You're exactly right... There are contracts that can establish those protections. They are called MARRIAGES!
You lie when you say that any other contract is capable of providing the same protections or rights that marriage provide.
Closeted, self-loathing, homophobes are mentally defective. You should look into that.
As has been pointed out before, it's men such as yourself--men who speak out so vehemently against gays--who are secretly attracted to other guys.
You come here to get your gay fix. This is your virtual "gay bar". It's the only way that you can allow your self-hating self to get near other gay people. It's the only reason you've been here for over 2 years--talking almost exclusively about gay male sex--obsessing over it.
You need help in the worst way.
If your words weren't so destructive I could maybe pity you. But I don't. You deserve the hell you create for yourself.
The only way you'll ever find any peace is through atonement for your hate-filled comments and constant spread of ignorance.
Until you do right by us, you will continue to be plagued by self-hatred and gay obsession.
You have no counter to the essence of marriage; a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

And gay couples don't qualify.

Are you registered yet as a gay pedophile?

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