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Feb 23, 2011
 
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Just because you may be helpless in your choice, does not mean that others are. I choose to be the way I am.
Sexual orientation is a choice.
Marriage is between a man and a woman.
That sounds like you are claiming first hand knowledge. So you did try being gay for a week. How was it?
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Feb 23, 2011
 
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I decided to be heterosexual, when I decided that my parents should have grand children of their bloodline.
To me marriage is a family institution which people get married to have and raise children. I know others abuse this ideal, now gays want this abuse to be the norm.
I wish the government would do away all benefits due to marriage, before they allow same-sex marriage.
Sexual Orientation is a choice.
Marriage is between a man and a woman.
so let me get this straight...

1) You actually said I will be hetero so mom and dad can have grand kids.... Right

2)To me marriage is a family institution which people get married to have and raise children. I know others abuse this ideal, now gays want this abuse to be the norm.

Ok then you are saying that post menopausal women should not marry. Those who are infertile should not marry. Those who for whatever reason do not want kids shouldnt marry... Do I have this right?
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#44
Feb 23, 2011
 
Come on! Why shouldnt gay people be allowed to get married. There is alot of benifits no matter what you think. And no its not a choice weather you are gay or straight. Did you choose to be straight. No.... Do people choose to be Gay. No... It was not that long ago when a Black and white couple could not get married. And sorry but this sounds like someone being prejudice....
This is the 21st century... Its no longer the 20th century. and I know alot of people that has been married and never had kids...So you see your argument on this does Not make since.... Maybe you should not Judge people.
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Feb 24, 2011
 
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Come on! Why shouldnt gay people be allowed to get married. There is alot of benifits no matter what you think. And no its not a choice weather you are gay or straight. Did you choose to be straight. No.... Do people choose to be Gay. No... It was not that long ago when a Black and white couple could not get married. And sorry but this sounds like someone being prejudice....
This is the 21st century... Its no longer the 20th century. and I know alot of people that has been married and never had kids...So you see your argument on this does Not make since.... Maybe you should not Judge people.
You are wrong, I choose to be heterosexual, and homosexuals choose to be homosexual.

The skin color is something you are born with, sexual orientation is a choice. Quit comparing apples to oranges. There is no proof the homosexuality is not a choice.

Oh sure let marriage be nothing more then a benefits package, I think not. To me marriage is the union of a man and woman to have and raise children.

Sexual orientation is a choice.
Marriage is between a man and a woman.
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Feb 24, 2011
 
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so let me get this straight...
1) You actually said I will be hetero so mom and dad can have grand kids.... Right
2)To me marriage is a family institution which people get married to have and raise children. I know others abuse this ideal, now gays want this abuse to be the norm.
Ok then you are saying that post menopausal women should not marry. Those who are infertile should not marry. Those who for whatever reason do not want kids shouldnt marry... Do I have this right?
Yes I do beleive if do not intend to have children you should not get married.

Sexual orientation is a choice.
Marriage is between a man and a woman.
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Feb 24, 2011
 
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That sounds like you are claiming first hand knowledge. So you did try being gay for a week. How was it?
Everyone has a choice in who they are and how they define themselves.

You are just a waste of time anymore with no real point other then badgering.

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Everyone has a choice in who they are and how they define themselves.
You are just a waste of time anymore with no real point other then badgering.
You have no evidence that choosing your sexual orientation is a choice and you are lying when you say you do.
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Feb 24, 2011
 
all I half to say is when did you choose to be straight? Come on really.......Really....Your on a losing battle with it being a choice. Here is my proof..6/12/95 SCIENCE: Search for a gay gene
A DNA transplant made these male fruit flies turn away from females. What does that say about the origins of homosexuality?
BY LARRY THOMPSON/BETHESDA Fruit flies are among the most sexually proficient creatures on earth. Their ability to produce a new generation in two weeks has made them the darlings of genetics researchers for nearly a century. Put a male fruit fly into a bottle with a female, and he doesn't waste any time before getting down to business.So it's a bit bewildering to watch the behavior of certain fruit flies at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland. There, in the laboratories of biologists Ward Odenwald and Shang-Ding Zhang, strange things are happening inside the gallon-size culture jars. In some experiments, the female flies are cowering in groups at the top and bottom of the jars. The males, meanwhile, are having a party--no, an orgy -- among themselves.With a frenzy usually reserved for chasing females, the males link up end-to-end in big circles or in long, winding rows that look like winged conga lines. As the buzz of the characteristic fruit fly "love song" fills the air, the males repeatedly lurch forward and rub genitals with the next ones in line.What's going on?Without a wink or a chuckle, Odenwald claims that these male fruit flies are gay -- and that he and Zhang made them that way. The scientists say they transplanted a single gene into the flies that caused them to display homosexual behavior. And that's very interesting, they assert, because a related gene exists in human beings, although there is no evidence yet that the human gene has an effect on sexual preference
A report of Odenwald and Zhang's findings, to be published this week in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, adds to the mounting evidence that homosexuality has genetic origins, and is sure to produce new fireworks in the contentious debate over what it means to be gay. The two scientists are not foolhardy enough to claim that a single gene can make a person homosexual. But they think their studies may yield important new insights into how genetic makeup, through a complex series of biochemical reactions, influences sexual orientation.
Such work stirs mixed emotions in the gay community. To some extent, gays and lesbians welcome the research because it supports what most of them have long felt: that homosexuality is an innate characteristic, like skin color, rather than a perverse life-style choice, as conservative moralists contend. And if that is true, then gays deserve legal protection similar to the laws that prohibit racial discrimination. "On a political level, genetic research does seem to move the debate along a certain path," says Denny Lee of the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund, a gay advocacy group in New York City. "When people understand that being gay or lesbian is an integral characteristic, they are more open-minded about equality for gay Americans."
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Feb 24, 2011
 
This is Proof that we are born the way we are...
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Feb 24, 2011
 
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Yes I do beleive if do not intend to have children you should not get married.
Sexual orientation is a choice.
Marriage is between a man and a woman.
So post menopausal women should not get marraied correct?

What about those who are infertile

BTW do u use any type of birth control
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Feb 25, 2011
 
God Loves all wrote:
all I half to say is when did you choose to be straight? Come on really.......Really....Your on a losing battle with it being a choice. Here is my proof..6/12/95 SCIENCE: Search for a gay gene
A lot wishful thinking there genetic (hamners research, the twins study, brain studies, hormonal influences, etc...) ties to sexual orientation all lack substantial, consistent eveidence disproving them:
If homosexual orientation were completely genetic, one would expect that it would not change over the course of one's life. For females, sexual preference does seem to change over time. A 5-year study of lesbians found that over a quarter of these women relinquished their lesbian/bisexual identities during this period: half reclaimed heterosexual identities and half gave up all identity labels.31 In a survey of young minority women (16-23 years of age), half of the participants changed their sexual identities more than once during the two-year survey period.32 In another study of subjects who were recruited from organizations that serve lesbian/gay/bisexual youths (ages 14 to 21 years) in New York City, the percentage that changed from a lesbian/gay/bisexual orientation to a heterosexual orientation was 5% over the period of just 12 months (the length of the survey).33 Other studies have confirmed that sexual orientation is not fixed in all individuals, but can change over time, especially in women.34 A recent example of an orientation change occurred with The Advocate's "Person of the Year" for 2005. Kerry Pacer was the youngest gay advocate, chosen for her initiation of a "gay-straight alliance" at White County High School in Cleveland, Georgia. However, four years later, she is raising her one year old daughter, along with the baby's father.35 Another former lesbian, British comedienne Jackie Clune, spent 12 years in lesbian relationships before marrying a man and producing 4 children.
Sexual orientation is a choice.
Marriage is between a man and a woman.
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#53
Feb 25, 2011
 
God Loves all wrote:
This is Proof that we are born the way we are...
You proof has been disproven as inconsistent in duplicate studies.

Sexual orientation is a choice.
Marriage is between a man and a woman.

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A lot wishful thinking there genetic (hamners research, the twins study, brain studies, hormonal influences, etc...) ties to sexual orientation all lack substantial, consistent eveidence disproving them:
If homosexual orientation were completely genetic, one would expect that it would not change over the course of one's life. For females, sexual preference does seem to change over time. A 5-year study of lesbians found that over a quarter of these women relinquished their lesbian/bisexual identities during this period: half reclaimed heterosexual identities and half gave up all identity labels.31 In a survey of young minority women (16-23 years of age), half of the participants changed their sexual identities more than once during the two-year survey period.32 In another study of subjects who were recruited from organizations that serve lesbian/gay/bisexual youths (ages 14 to 21 years) in New York City, the percentage that changed from a lesbian/gay/bisexual orientation to a heterosexual orientation was 5% over the period of just 12 months (the length of the survey).33 Other studies have confirmed that sexual orientation is not fixed in all individuals, but can change over time, especially in women.34 A recent example of an orientation change occurred with The Advocate's "Person of the Year" for 2005. Kerry Pacer was the youngest gay advocate, chosen for her initiation of a "gay-straight alliance" at White County High School in Cleveland, Georgia. However, four years later, she is raising her one year old daughter, along with the baby's father.35 Another former lesbian, British comedienne Jackie Clune, spent 12 years in lesbian relationships before marrying a man and producing 4 children.
Sexual orientation is a choice.
Marriage is between a man and a woman.
The christian religion also has a lack of substantial, consistent evidence .... does that disprove the religion?

Seems you have quite the conundrum on your tiny little mind.

Bisexuality is also a sexual orientation. Personally, I am heterosexual, not bisexual or homosexual. I know this is not a choice because I could not choose to be homosexual or bisexual even if I wanted to.

That is also how I know you are a liar.
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Feb 25, 2011
 
@Lalala... your study you showed was on females and it wasnt even the whole story...My study I showed you was on DNA.. Come on! Marriage is between people that love each other it's not about being straight,gay,bi... And you still didnt answer the question... When did you choose to be straight.You are prejudice... No way around that. And realize there is only one person that will judge people and that is not you.You think that if you are not going to reproduce you shouldnt get married and thats towards people that are straight.I bet you were a Bully in School....Well Iam a Gay Man and I have raised Children. They didnt become gay because I raised them.
I understand you have your beliefs but your stuck in a different time and you really need to wake up... God does love all.
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Mar 1, 2011
 
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@Lalala... your study you showed was on females and it wasnt even the whole story...My study I showed you was on DNA.. Come on! Marriage is between people that love each other it's not about being straight,gay,bi... And you still didnt answer the question... When did you choose to be straight.You are prejudice... No way around that. And realize there is only one person that will judge people and that is not you.You think that if you are not going to reproduce you shouldnt get married and thats towards people that are straight.I bet you were a Bully in School....Well Iam a Gay Man and I have raised Children. They didnt become gay because I raised them.
I understand you have your beliefs but your stuck in a different time and you really need to wake up... God does love all.
The question of how homosexual orientation originates has been the subject of much press, with the general impression being promoted that homosexuality is largely a matter of genes, rather than environmental factors. However, if one examines the scientific literature, one finds that it's not quite as clear as the news bytes would suggest. The early studies that reported differences in the brains of homosexuals were complicated by HIV infection and were not substantiated by larger, better controlled studies. Numerous studies reported that possible hormonal differences affected homosexual orientation. However, these studies were often directly contradictory, and never actually measured any hormone levels, but just used proxies for hormonal influences, without direct evidence that the proxies were actually indicative of true hormone levels or imbalances. Twin studies showed that there likely are genetic influences for homosexuality, although similar studies have shown some genetic influences for homophobia and even opposition to abortion. Early childhood abuse has been associated with homosexuality, but, at most, only explains about 10% of those who express a homosexual orientation. The fact that sexual orientation is not constant for many individuals, but can change over time suggests that at least part of sexual orientation is actually sexual preference. Attempts to find a "gay gene" have never identified any gene or gene product that is actually associated with homosexual orientation, with studies failing to confirm early suggestions of linkage of homosexuality to region Xq28 on the X chromosome.

Sexual orientation is a Choice.
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Mar 1, 2011
 
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The question of how homosexual orientation originates has been the subject of much press, with the general impression being promoted that homosexuality is largely a matter of genes, rather than environmental factors. However, if one examines the scientific literature, one finds that it's not quite as clear as the news bytes would suggest. The early studies that reported differences in the brains of homosexuals were complicated by HIV infection and were not substantiated by larger, better controlled studies. Numerous studies reported that possible hormonal differences affected homosexual orientation. However, these studies were often directly contradictory, and never actually measured any hormone levels, but just used proxies for hormonal influences, without direct evidence that the proxies were actually indicative of true hormone levels or imbalances. Twin studies showed that there likely are genetic influences for homosexuality, although similar studies have shown some genetic influences for homophobia and even opposition to abortion. Early childhood abuse has been associated with homosexuality, but, at most, only explains about 10% of those who express a homosexual orientation. The fact that sexual orientation is not constant for many individuals, but can change over time suggests that at least part of sexual orientation is actually sexual preference. Attempts to find a "gay gene" have never identified any gene or gene product that is actually associated with homosexual orientation, with studies failing to confirm early suggestions of linkage of homosexuality to region Xq28 on the X chromosome.
Sexual orientation is a Choice.
Marriage is between a man and a woman.
Christian apologist sites are not valid references. Christians are notorious liars.
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Mar 2, 2011
 
Lalala wrote:
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The question of how homosexual orientation originates has been the subject of much press, with the general impression being promoted that homosexuality is largely a matter of genes, rather than environmental factors. However, if one examines the scientific literature, one finds that it's not quite as clear as the news bytes would suggest. The early studies that reported differences in the brains of homosexuals were complicated by HIV infection and were not substantiated by larger, better controlled studies. Numerous studies reported that possible hormonal differences affected homosexual orientation. However, these studies were often directly contradictory, and never actually measured any hormone levels, but just used proxies for hormonal influences, without direct evidence that the proxies were actually indicative of true hormone levels or imbalances. Twin studies showed that there likely are genetic influences for homosexuality, although similar studies have shown some genetic influences for homophobia and even opposition to abortion. Early childhood abuse has been associated with homosexuality, but, at most, only explains about 10% of those who express a homosexual orientation. The fact that sexual orientation is not constant for many individuals, but can change over time suggests that at least part of sexual orientation is actually sexual preference. Attempts to find a "gay gene" have never identified any gene or gene product that is actually associated with homosexual orientation, with studies failing to confirm early suggestions of linkage of homosexuality to region Xq28 on the X chromosome.
Sexual orientation is a Choice.
Marriage is between a man and a woman.

@Lalala....Were did you pull this out from? The 80's... Really Come on tell me WHEN DID YOU CHOOSE TO BE STRAIGHT??????? Its a shame for a person to have so much hate. And may I ask...How old are you?
You cant handle the truth and yes you are PREJUDICE and you are HOMOPHOBIC!!!! Look in the mirror. There must be a reason for this...Were you a lonly child... Or just a BULLY!
Look at the press lately? Marriage is for all.
Oh and yes God still loves you.
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Mar 2, 2011
 
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So post menopausal women should not get marraied correct?
What about those who are infertile
BTW do u use any type of birth control
Still waiting an answer
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Christian apologist sites are not valid references. Christians are notorious liars.
Your opinion, definately not fact.

Gay sites are not a valid reference either, Gays pervert everything to get what they want. Like the acceptance of abnormal sexual behavoir they claim is inborn, when there is no proof supporting it.

Sexual orientation is a choice.
Marriage is between a man and a woman.
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Mar 4, 2011
 
God Loves all wrote:
This is Proof that we are born the way we are...
You are born either Male or female. You choose who you have sex with.

Sexual orientation is a choice.
Marriage is between a man and a woamn.

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