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#616 May 21, 2013
No twist, the IRS admits their malfeasance and this media activist group admits it used the leaks to further their agenda:
Before the 2012 election, ProPublica devoted months to showing how dozens of social-welfare nonprofits had misled the IRS about their political activity on their applications and tax returns. Social-welfare nonprofits are allowed to spend money to influence elections, as long as their primary purpose is improving social welfare. Unlike super PACs and regular political action committees, they do not have to identify their donors."
http://www.propublica.org/article/irs-office-...
We can't honestly argue same sex marriage unless you admit Obama's IRS is targeting marriage protectors with intimidation?
Turbo

Placitas, NM

#617 May 21, 2013
That's a rediculous argument. You really think obama personally directed the irs to target groups that oppose gay marrage?...if so, you're nuttier than I realized. Let's take a look at the character of those on the right who actually are opposing it. Should we start with the westboro baptist church?
come on now

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#618 May 21, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
No twist, the IRS admits their malfeasance and this media activist group admits it used the leaks to further their agenda:
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We can't honestly argue same sex marriage unless you admit Obama's IRS is targeting marriage protectors with intimidation?
Strawman. this is about ssm... not some IRS scandal... that is a political forum thread. Now get back on subjet and admit your lies.

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#619 May 22, 2013
This is about ssm, its supporters in the IRS harassed conservatives and they leaked tax information about donors to the National Organization for Marriage to their allies in the media. They defamed Romney about his tax records during the last election campaign.

Where have you been, on vacation?
come on now

Bolingbrook, IL

#620 May 22, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
This is about ssm, its supporters in the IRS harassed conservatives and they leaked tax information about donors to the National Organization for Marriage to their allies in the media. They defamed Romney about his tax records during the last election campaign.
Where have you been, on vacation?
I have been posting proper items on this thread... not things that have no business on a ssm thread and belong on a political thread... you should try it some time....along with trying to quit lying

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#621 May 23, 2013
If the IRS had harassed same sex marriage supporters, C.o.n. wouldn't be posting that on this thread. They didn't; the IRS leaked the names and tax return information of conservatives.

You can run but you can't hide.
Sharon

Denver, CO

#622 Jun 23, 2013
I support Gay Marriage. Boy howdy, I do!

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#624 Jun 24, 2013
Same sex marriage supporters in the IRS leaked the National Organization for Marriage's 2008 tax forms to the pro gender segregation marriage group, the Human Rights Campaign.

If you don't want your tax information leaked, keep marriage male/female. Reason 32; the IRS.

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#625 Jun 24, 2013
See the previous post as to why we should ignore Brian. He is clearly a tinfoil hat wearing loony.

He doesn't seem to know that segregation is forced separation and is tying in the IRS to things that aren't related.

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#626 Jun 25, 2013
Same sex marriage brings a new standard of gender segregation to previously integrated and diverse male/female marriage. Don't blame me because you side with segregationists.
sanchez

Houston, TX

#627 Jan 22, 2014
no gay people

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#628 Jan 22, 2014
The central issue is the IRS leaking taxpayer information to political rivals; that's just so wrong.

If you don't condemn it, the same as if you did it. Now that you know.
d pantz

United States

#629 Jan 25, 2014
Turbo wrote:
That's a rediculous argument. You really think obama personally directed the irs to target groups that oppose gay marrage?...if so, you're nuttier than I realized. Let's take a look at the character of those on the right who actually are opposing it. Should we start with the westboro baptist church?
uh... who appointed then-IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman, who oversees the audits??? Hint: he recently blamed his poor approval #s on "racist" white people. Totally asinine if you look at who voted for him.
d pantz

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#630 Jan 25, 2014
come on now wrote:
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Strawman. this is about ssm... not some IRS scandal... that is a political forum thread. Now get back on subjet and admit your lies.
you're not trying to say the irs didn't audit strictly right wing groups, are you? Many of which fight ssm. Does POTUS not appoint the IRS commissioner? YES, he or she does. Sorry that these are facts, doesn't mean we have to deny them because they don't fit our agenda.
d pantz

United States

#631 Jan 25, 2014
southern alien wrote:
See the previous post as to why we should ignore Brian. He is clearly a tinfoil hat wearing loony.
He doesn't seem to know that segregation is forced separation and is tying in the IRS to things that aren't related.
everything he posted is true except the part about obama directly ordering the audits. If you guys don't get a grip on reality, you will start losing support of people who might agree with ssm, but not such meddling. Why deny the truth?

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#632 Jan 25, 2014
d pantz wrote:
uh... who appointed then-IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman, who oversees the audits??? Hint: he recently blamed his poor approval #s on "racist" white people. Totally asinine if you look at who voted for him.
The IRS leaked NOM's donor list from its tax filing to the Human Rights Campaign.
Katsuya

Denver, CO

#633 Mar 3, 2014
I support this because love is love and it shouldn't matter. About adopting kids; it doesn't matter either, as long as the kids have two loving people it's fine.

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#634 Mar 3, 2014
If love is love, then surely pedophile marriage represents pure, virgin and chaste love; then same sex marriage must be right.

Not same sex couple adoption, where two loving people can give their adopted child a mother and father. Every child raised by a same sex couple is raised either motherless or fatherless. Where's the love in giving a child a home without mother and father? As a last resort, maybe but never as preference.

Marriage was created so children can be raised in a home with their mother and father. Sex segregating marriage makes it sterile, not better.

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#636 Mar 5, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
If love is love, then surely pedophile marriage represents pure, virgin and chaste love; then same sex marriage must be right.
Not same sex couple adoption, where two loving people can give their adopted child a mother and father. Every child raised by a same sex couple is raised either motherless or fatherless. Where's the love in giving a child a home without mother and father? As a last resort, maybe but never as preference.
Marriage was created so children can be raised in a home with their mother and father. Sex segregating marriage makes it sterile, not better.
Why does a marriage license make a home any different than one without?

Pedophila involves an underage unwilling participant who has no idea what is going on. Do you not see the difference in that and homosexuality which has willing participants who know what they are doing?

Single people can adopt. Plenty of great people come up in single parent homes. Try again.

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#638 Mar 5, 2014
southern alien wrote:
Why does a marriage license make a home any different than one without?
Not home, family. We raise our children to the ideal of completing school, finding work, marrying and then having children, not having children out of wedlock.

We want our grandchildren to have the benefits of a mother and father, just like we had.

Anything less would harm our society; we're already seeing an erosion of marriage values; no need to make matters worse.

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southern alien wrote:
Pedophila involves an underage unwilling participant who has no idea what is going on.
Of course pedophilia is wrong; so is segregating marriage by gender. If love is your only criterion, then surely you can't deny children love too. Just because someone's too young to consent doesn't negate the love of the pedophile or the love of an innocent child. You have to use more than emotions to define right and wrong; subjective feelings aren't good enough for moral distinctions.

I've always written there's nothing wrong with homosexuals or homolsexuality. That's certainly NOT the case with pedophiles or pedophilia.

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southern alien wrote:
Do you not see the difference in that and homosexuality which has willing participants who know what they are doing?
There is, of course, no similarity between homosexuality and pedophilia; unless you want to justify redefining marriage because of an emotional state. Then, you have to fairly apply that state to all conditions, not just sexual orientation or gender. Else, your justification fails and we'll keep marriage as is, one man and one woman.

If you value consent, those Christians didn't want to help celebrate same sex wedding rituals; where's their freedom and tolerance for differences? Is it perfectly okay for a gay tavern owner to ban marriage defenders from his bar but Christians have no right to decline attending a same sex marriage celebration? Where's the consent of the People of California, Kentucky, Utah or Iowa when it comes to rewriting marriage laws creating sex segregated marriage?

The issue is NOTHING to do with hating segregation, gays or the left; the issue is the love of integration, diversity and the perfect affirmative action of one man and one woman marriage.

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southern alien wrote:
Single people can adopt. Plenty of great people come up in single parent homes. Try again.
Every child raised in a single parent home is raised either motherless or fatherless; that's why we prefer children raised by their mother and father. We shouldn't let the unfortunate few create a new norm or ideal; we should use their examples to further our arguments. Nobody's writing we should punish bastard children; quite the opposite.

Life is hard enough as is; we should be compassionate and understanding so they'll understand the arguments. It's unfair to raise our kids with any kind of same sex marriage expectation; we need to be realistic.

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