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#508
Oct 22, 2012
 
ftabmember wrote:
----- If you think all our congressmen DO NOT make laws based on their religious views you are naive indeed. Everyone bases their opinions and votes on their own values and those come from either the God of the Bible or the god of this world (Satan). That's why there are always 2 sides opposing each other....one good and one evil.-----
Or maybe one not so good and one mistaken.
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Dec 27, 2012
 
Mateo MacDonald wrote:
as a bisexual teenager, i have been raised open minded and was taught that love is love no matter what.
I am also a bisexual teenager, but do not have an open minded family...do you have any advice for me on how to talk to them?

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Dec 27, 2012
 
Love knows no gender.

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#514
Dec 28, 2012
 
There's no law against homosexual love; the issue is redefining marriage for everybody. I'm against it because unanticipated consequences might cause harm.
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Dec 28, 2012
 
Brian_G wrote:
There's no law against homosexual love; the issue is redefining marriage for everybody. I'm against it because unanticipated consequences might cause harm.
First it is not about "love" as many marriages are "loveless"... it is about the right for two u.s. citizens to enter into a civil contract. That is at its roots, legally what marriage is. Now since contracts are inherentlly gender free, there is no reason why two consenting of age u.s. citizens should be allowed this right

Unanticipated consequenses which might cause harm.... wow that really covers your back side. Any thing we do has potential of unannticipated.... Sorry we can not deny rights on a this could possibly be a possible side effect.

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#516
Dec 28, 2012
 
Civil unions and domestic partnerships are contracts; marriage is more.

Homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals, under the same laws. There is no orientation test for a marriage license.
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Dec 28, 2012
 
Brian_G wrote:
Civil unions and domestic partnerships are contracts; marriage is more.
Homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals, under the same laws. There is no orientation test for a marriage license.
"Civil unions and domestic partnerships are contracts; marriage is more."
You keep posting this based on a statement by a SCOTUS justice.. I keep pointing out that he said that marriage was more than just a contract... does not mean that is is not a contract

"Homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals, under the same laws. There is no orientation test for a marriage license."

Wrong... homosexuals can not enter into the civil contract of marriage with the person of their choosing.

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#518
Dec 29, 2012
 
Nobody has the right to marry the person they choose; their are standards of age, whether the person is already married and whether the person wants to marry.

Incest and polygamy are crimes; there is no law against same sex marriage. You may have a religious same sex marriage in every state. You may also ask your acquaintances and employer to treat you and your same sex partner as if you were married in every state. There is no ban on same sex marriage anywhere in the USA.
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Dec 29, 2012
 
Brian_G wrote:
Nobody has the right to marry the person they choose; their are standards of age, whether the person is already married and whether the person wants to marry.
Incest and polygamy are crimes; there is no law against same sex marriage. You may have a religious same sex marriage in every state. You may also ask your acquaintances and employer to treat you and your same sex partner as if you were married in every state. There is no ban on same sex marriage anywhere in the USA.
"Nobody has the right to marry the person they choose; their are standards of age, whether the person is already married and whether the person wants to marry."

You really want to be "greg brady" and do the "exact words" thing.... Yes you must be of legal age, and yes they must be able to be married... that is a given. However with those two caveats met...you have the rigt to marry whom you want... if you are a hetero... if you are a homo... you dont.

"Incest and polygamy are crimes; there is no law against same sex marriage. You may have a religious same sex marriage in every state. "

Again the word play begins. Marriage that is being discussed for ssm is the legally recognized civil contract. So yes there are laws against this form of marriage for a ssc.

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Dec 29, 2012
 
Brian_G wrote:
There's no law against homosexual love; the issue is redefining marriage for everybody. I'm against it because unanticipated consequences might cause harm.
What bad consequences could come from allowing more people to marry? I don't see you advocating stopping more heterosexuals from marrying.

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#521
Dec 29, 2012
 
Brian_G wrote:
Civil unions and domestic partnerships are contracts; marriage is more.
Thats where you are wrong. Under US law, all marriages are civil contracts. There is no religious significance.

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#522
Dec 29, 2012
 
Homosexuals have always married under the same laws as heterosexuals. I cite Oscar Wilde and Meredith Baxter as two examples.

There is no orientation test for a marriage license. Neither is there a right to change marriage laws for everybody. Marriage is the oldest social institution of our civilization: Don't mess it up for everyone.
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Dec 29, 2012
 
Brian_G wrote:
Homosexuals have always married under the same laws as heterosexuals. I cite Oscar Wilde and Meredith Baxter as two examples.
There is no orientation test for a marriage license. Neither is there a right to change marriage laws for everybody. Marriage is the oldest social institution of our civilization: Don't mess it up for everyone.
"Homosexuals have always married under the same laws as heterosexuals. I cite Oscar Wilde and Meredith Baxter as two example"

Ya marraiges of conviences... so... It is a fact that marriage is a civil contract. It is a fact that homosexual u.s. citizens are not allowed to enter into the contract with whom ever they choose... only who ever is of the opposite sex. That right there is the constitutional fallacy.

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#524
Dec 29, 2012
 
I doubt those were marriages of convenience, those homosexuals had intimate relationships with their spouses that produced children.

Civil unions and domestic partnerships are contracts; I support those civil contracts for same sex partners. Marriage is more than a contract.

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Dec 29, 2012
 
Brian_G wrote:
There's no law against homosexual love; the issue is redefining marriage for everybody. I'm against it because unanticipated consequences might cause harm.
"Unanticipated consequences?".... that just goes to show how ignorant people truly are. Love is love.. no matter heterosexual or homosexual. You will find just as much hurt and pain, by abuse, in a hetero or homosexual relationship. The only unanticipated consequences that occur in a homosexual partnership, are from the ridicule and judgements of the ignorance of others.
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Dec 29, 2012
 
Brian_G wrote:
I doubt those were marriages of convenience, those homosexuals had intimate relationships with their spouses that produced children.
Civil unions and domestic partnerships are contracts; I support those civil contracts for same sex partners. Marriage is more than a contract.
You rub it it will get hard.... doesn't mean attraction... just cause and effect. A lesbian does not have to be attracted to the man...just lie there till he is done.

Again with marriage is more... by more it means it it a contract ant then some....

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You rub it it will get hard.... doesn't mean attraction... just cause and effect. A lesbian does not have to be attracted to the man...just lie there till he is done.
Again with marriage is more... by more it means it it a contract ant then some....
so that is all you think the women is good for is just for a toy for the man?.. talk about ingnorance... contract?.. why do so many hetero sexual couples live together without being married.. and for the record.. homosexual couples get married it is legal in certain states .. in others they get holy unions.. because of religous bigots who wouldn't know anything ab out love even if it came and bit the in the ass!

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#528
Dec 29, 2012
 
Brian_G wrote:
Marriage is more than a contract.
Please elaborate on this part.

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#529
Dec 30, 2012
 
U.S. Supreme Court
Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190 (1888)
Maynard v. Hill
No. 194
Argued February 16-17, 1888
Decided March 19, 1888
125 U.S. 190
APPEAL FROM THE SUPREME COURT
OF THE TERRITORY OF WASHINGTON

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Marriage is something more than a mere contract, though founded upon the agreement of the parties. When once formed, a relation is created between the parties which they cannot change, and the rights and obligations of which depend not upon their agreement, but upon the law, statutory or common. It is an institution of society, regulated and controlled by public authority. Legislation, therefore, affecting this institution and annulling the relation between the parties is not within the prohibition of the Constitution of the United States against the impairment of contracts by state legislation.
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/12...

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Dec 30, 2012
 
catsmews wrote:
"Unanticipated consequences?".... that just goes to show how ignorant people truly are. Love is love.. no matter heterosexual or homosexual.
True, and no state bans homosexual love. The issue is redefining the social institution of marriage, not love.

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You will find just as much hurt and pain, by abuse, in a hetero or homosexual relationship.
I will note, you will also find heterosexual relationships offer a benefit to government that no homosexual couples provide; the next generation of taxpayers.

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The only unanticipated consequences that occur in a homosexual partnership, are from the ridicule and judgements of the ignorance of others.
Let's work together against violence and hate speech instead of against each other on radical social change to create a unisex standard of marriage.

I've always written, there is nothing wrong with homosexuals or homosexuality; I stand by that statement.

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