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“Be an independent thinker”

Since: Jul 10

Greenville, Ohio

#571 Dec 2, 2012
hocking county wanna be wrote:
...we could have religious persecution here in this country...
We have had, and still do have, religious persecution in this country.

Roger Oglethorpe, banished from the Massachusetts Bay Colony for disagreeing with the Puritans.

Jews in America being discriminated against because of their faith.

jehovah's Witnesses having to go all the way to the US Supreme Court to prove their right not to salute the flag (Barrett vs. West Virginia Board of Education, 1943).

Muhammed Ali refusing to be inducted and going to Vietnam because he was a Black Muslim, being stripped of his World Heavyweight Boxing title and barred from boxing for a few years.

“Be an independent thinker”

Since: Jul 10

Greenville, Ohio

#572 Dec 2, 2012
Jane Marin wrote:
Without religion, you have no tangible proof that homosexuals impact the moral fabric of any society.
>>>>
All of the pedophile and pederast incidents in the news were homosexual chickenhawk attacks on adolescents.
Don't get me started on the Abortion Holocaust or the wave of STD sweeping the nation.
Ever watch To Catch a Predator episodes? Ever notice the stories of teachers having sexual relationships with teenage GIRLS? And the teachers in many cases were males?

Ever read the recent story of the Bengals cheerleader/English teacher having an inappropriate sexual relationship with a boy in her class?

Open your eyes.
hocking county wanna be

Mount Vernon, OH

#573 Dec 3, 2012
penman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
If rights come from God:
1. Why did He give different people different numbers of rights? The British, 13; the Germans, 29; the Belgians, 25; the Swedes, six, other people, zero?
2. Why didn't He give us a right to food and to a roof over our heads?
3. Why didn't God put freedom from slavery in the Bill of Rights?
4. Why did our government take away rights from 110,000 Japanese-Americans, plus some German-Americans and Italian-Americans, by putting them in detention camps in WWII?
As the late George Carlin says in his YouTube video "You have no rights," "Rights aren't rights if someone can take them away from you. They're just privileges. That's what we have in this country, a Bill of Temporary Privileges. And if you watch the news you'll see they're getting smaller and smaller every year."
Answer me please.
1. Here are the rights the framers of the Constitution interpreted as being God given rights to AMERICANS. Life, Liberty and Property. This discussion is about Americans, not Germans or the British.

2. Contact Obama for your unconstitutional government housing and food stamps. The Constitution only provides you with the right to acquire these things through self responsibility and motivation.

3. Because blacks were not considered Americans citizens when the Constitution was written.

4. Because the Constitution gives the government the power to protect our country in times of war.

George Carlin is wrong. The government doesn't take our rights from us. We elect politicians to take our rights away from us. You probably voted for Obama. Obama is going to do everything in his power to take my right to gun ownership away from me and all other gun owners.
hocking county wanna be

Mount Vernon, OH

#574 Dec 3, 2012
penman1 wrote:
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We have had, and still do have, religious persecution in this country.
Roger Oglethorpe, banished from the Massachusetts Bay Colony for disagreeing with the Puritans.
Jews in America being discriminated against because of their faith.
jehovah's Witnesses having to go all the way to the US Supreme Court to prove their right not to salute the flag (Barrett vs. West Virginia Board of Education, 1943).
Muhammed Ali refusing to be inducted and going to Vietnam because he was a Black Muslim, being stripped of his World Heavyweight Boxing title and barred from boxing for a few years.
You gotta go all the way back to the 1600's to find something?

Jews were discriminated against? Maybe when they tried to enter the country illegally, but for religious reasons from our government?

Patriotism used to be a big thing in this country. Too bad it is not so much anymore.

Cassius Clay (Ali) was found guilty of draft evasion. He tried to avoid the draft by saying he objected to violence all the while earning his living beating the shit out of other people. Draft evasion is a crime. You want to give him a break, go ahead.
reality

Germantown, OH

#575 Dec 12, 2012
it's wrong on every level
come on now

Bolingbrook, IL

#576 Dec 12, 2012
reality wrote:
it's wrong on every level
denying a ssc the right to marry.... I agree wrong on every level
Yost

Cincinnati, OH

#577 Dec 12, 2012
There is no such thing as a right to a marriage license.

However, the USSC has said that pervs have a federally protected right of privacy to sodomy and abortions. That is a dream come true fer sure for all LGBTQ and other Diversity people.

Freedom isn't free. Exercise your sodomy and abortion and STD spreading freedoms like you so desire, and pay for the consequences yourself just like a good citizen should do.

Stop reaching into the pocket of Joe Taxpayer, to get money to pay for the consequences of your perversions, and everything will be fine.

come on now

Bolingbrook, IL

#578 Dec 12, 2012
Yost wrote:
There is no such thing as a right to a marriage license.
However, the USSC has said that pervs have a federally protected right of privacy to sodomy and abortions. That is a dream come true fer sure for all LGBTQ and other Diversity people.
Freedom isn't free. Exercise your sodomy and abortion and STD spreading freedoms like you so desire, and pay for the consequences yourself just like a good citizen should do.
Stop reaching into the pocket of Joe Taxpayer, to get money to pay for the consequences of your perversions, and everything will be fine.
"There is no such thing as a right to a marriage license."
Ever get tired of being wrong?....a marriage license is a contract. It is the right for all citizens to enter into civil contracts. Now unless the State can show overwhelming states interest, they can not deny a citizen the same right they give another citizens.... called equal protection clause.
Thales

Cincinnati, OH

#579 Dec 13, 2012
come on now wrote:
<quoted text>
"There is no such thing as a right to a marriage license."
Ever get tired of being wrong?....a marriage license is a contract. It is the right for all citizens to enter into civil contracts. Now unless the State can show overwhelming states interest, they can not deny a citizen the same right they give another citizens.... called equal protection clause.
I never get tired of being right.

A license is not a contract. A marriage license is public taxpayer support for married people and especially their progeny; queers desire the same public support, but not for progeny. Queers demand public support for the nasty consequences of their hedonism: rampant STD and unwanted pregnancy and abortion. You know it to be true, but you are a liar, same as the rest.

Stop trying to play a lawyer here; you are not very bright.

Playing a lawyer on TV and theater is just another word game for gay people. You are much like Raymond Burr, a gay man that merely pretended to be lawyer.
come on now

Bolingbrook, IL

#580 Dec 13, 2012
Thales wrote:
<quoted text>
I never get tired of being right.
A license is not a contract. A marriage license is public taxpayer support for married people and especially their progeny; queers desire the same public support, but not for progeny. Queers demand public support for the nasty consequences of their hedonism: rampant STD and unwanted pregnancy and abortion. You know it to be true, but you are a liar, same as the rest.
Stop trying to play a lawyer here; you are not very bright.
Playing a lawyer on TV and theater is just another word game for gay people. You are much like Raymond Burr, a gay man that merely pretended to be lawyer.
Actually, I was wrong... Unlike many of those on your side I will admit when I misspeak. It is the marriage certificate which is technically the marrital contract. It is a legally binding paper acknowldgeing the marriage of the two individuals. So while I admit I got the document wrong, does not change that the state can not allow one group to get a legal document and not another without stating an OVERWHELMING states interest. Now I ask again what would the states interest be here?"

"queers desire the same public support, but not for progeny. Queers demand public support for the nasty consequences of their hedonism: rampant STD and unwanted pregnancy and abortion."

First... homosexuals (by using the q word you show yourself to be to childish to take seriously)do not care if the public supports them. Do you REALLY believe they think that by getting the right to marry they will get automatic public support... please. What they care for is getting the same rights given to their fellow citizens by the government. You know this but your bigotry keeps you from acknowleding it.
Second.... You do realize how silly you sound when you first "demand public support for the nasty consequences of their hedonism: rampant STD and unwanted pregnancy and abortion.?".... ummm by virtue of being homosexual, unwanted prenancy and abortion are not an issue. Don't believe me ask some of the other anti ssm supporters. They will be the first to point the fact they ssc can not have kids. Infact that usually is a pillar they build their case on. Granted it is a pillar made of sand, very easy to knock down... but a pillar none the less. So again you show your ignorance.
Thirdly... hedonism... really.... as oppose to the heterosexual single population... really...
Plus... IF you believe this is an issue... all the more reason for ssm. Few people cheat once married...
Thales

Cincinnati, OH

#582 Dec 20, 2012
A marriage licence is not a contract.

If you want to contract with a LGBTQ and call it marriage, there is nothing stopping you. No government participation or license is required for you to make a LGBTQ contract.

It has been stated repeatably, but muddled brains can't comprehend the facts; LGBTQ invert the priorities of sex, making their hedonism the primary objective over sexual reproduction. The inversion of the priorities of sex is why LGBTQ engage frequently in sodomy and abortion, and also rationalize sodomy and abortion as normal behaviors. Because of LGBTQ bogus rationalization, as well as their sodomy and abortion evangelizing, LGBTQ are often commonly referred to as queer, meaning strange.

A marriage license is public support. The desire of LGBTQ to transform the original meaning a marriage license from public support of progeny to public support of typical LGBTQ proclivities, which are sodomy and abortion, is further evidence of a mental disease or just plain stupidity.

LGBTQ have have succeeded in getting big government to declare abortion and sodomy and blood test free marriage licensing as civil rights. Their latest legal manuever is to get taxpayer support for their proclivities, sodomy and abortion, via a marriage license.

Abortion is the ultimate perverted sex related activity promoted by LGBTQ. If you think like a LGBTQ, you necesarily value your pleasure and convenience as more important than reproduction. The killing of innocent life is the ultimate denial of the priorities of sex, and is de-evolution to a lower animal mindset.
come on now

Bolingbrook, IL

#583 Dec 20, 2012
Thales wrote:
A marriage licence is not a contract.
If you want to contract with a LGBTQ and call it marriage, there is nothing stopping you. No government participation or license is required for you to make a LGBTQ contract.
It has been stated repeatably, but muddled brains can't comprehend the facts; LGBTQ invert the priorities of sex, making their hedonism the primary objective over sexual reproduction. The inversion of the priorities of sex is why LGBTQ engage frequently in sodomy and abortion, and also rationalize sodomy and abortion as normal behaviors. Because of LGBTQ bogus rationalization, as well as their sodomy and abortion evangelizing, LGBTQ are often commonly referred to as queer, meaning strange.
A marriage license is public support. The desire of LGBTQ to transform the original meaning a marriage license from public support of progeny to public support of typical LGBTQ proclivities, which are sodomy and abortion, is further evidence of a mental disease or just plain stupidity.
LGBTQ have have succeeded in getting big government to declare abortion and sodomy and blood test free marriage licensing as civil rights. Their latest legal manuever is to get taxpayer support for their proclivities, sodomy and abortion, via a marriage license.
Abortion is the ultimate perverted sex related activity promoted by LGBTQ. If you think like a LGBTQ, you necesarily value your pleasure and convenience as more important than reproduction. The killing of innocent life is the ultimate denial of the priorities of sex, and is de-evolution to a lower animal mindset.
Hey I said I was mistaken... it is the marriage certificate that is the technical civil contract. Now before you deny that if a contract between the two people were not in place then divorce lawyers would not be needed .

"If you want to contract with a LGBTQ and call it marriage, there is nothing stopping you. No government participation or license is required for you to make a LGBTQ contract."

Thing is they are U.S. citizens and should be allowed to have the same benefits given to other citizens who the state allows to enter int the civil contract of marriage.

It has been stated repeatably, but muddled brains can't comprehend the facts; LGBTQ invert the priorities of sex, making their hedonism the primary objective over sexual reproduction

You never did answer, so I will ask again.... if the primary goal of marital sex is reproduction... and homosexuals can not reproduce.. then why do we allow others to marry who can not reproduce... i.e. infertile, "fixed" and post menopausal women... all three groups are as likely to reproduce an homosexuals.

Their latest legal manuever is to get taxpayer support for their proclivities, sodomy and abortion, via a marriage license.
Abortion is the ultimate perverted sex related activity promoted by LGBTQ.

Do you realize how stupid you sound here?,,, First you state that homosex is about "hedonism" (which is a joke in itself)... Then you state that Abortion is the .... IF they can not get pregnant... where does abortion fit in?..... Hello Mcfly.....
Thales

Cincinnati, OH

#584 Dec 20, 2012
come on now wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I was wrong... Unlike many of those on your side I will admit when I misspeak. It is the marriage certificate which is technically the marrital contract. It is a legally binding paper acknowldgeing the marriage of the two individuals. So while I admit I got the document wrong, does not change that the state can not allow one group to get a legal document and not another without stating an OVERWHELMING states interest. Now I ask again what would the states interest be here?"
"queers desire the same public support, but not for progeny. Queers demand public support for the nasty consequences of their hedonism: rampant STD and unwanted pregnancy and abortion."
First... homosexuals (by using the q word you show yourself to be to childish to take seriously)do not care if the public supports them. Do you REALLY believe they think that by getting the right to marry they will get automatic public support... please. What they care for is getting the same rights given to their fellow citizens by the government. You know this but your bigotry keeps you from acknowleding it.
Second.... You do realize how silly you sound when you first "demand public support for the nasty consequences of their hedonism: rampant STD and unwanted pregnancy and abortion.?".... ummm by virtue of being homosexual, unwanted prenancy and abortion are not an issue. Don't believe me ask some of the other anti ssm supporters. They will be the first to point the fact they ssc can not have kids. Infact that usually is a pillar they build their case on. Granted it is a pillar made of sand, very easy to knock down... but a pillar none the less. So again you show your ignorance.
Thirdly... hedonism... really.... as oppose to the heterosexual single population... really...
Plus... IF you believe this is an issue... all the more reason for ssm. Few people cheat once married...
Despite your insinuations, sodomy and elective abortion will not end with a same sex marriage license.

Sodomy and hedonism and abortion are important priorities of all militant LGBTQ such as yourself.

If anything, a same sex marriage license will force taxpayer subsidy of the consequences of LGBTQ sodomy and hedonism, which are more STD therapies and unwanted pregnancy and abortion on demand. A taxpayer subsidy of perversion is a powerful endorsement, and you'll get more of it as a result, not less.

It is unlikely a marriage license will reduce LGBTQ proclivities such as abortion, gloryholes, sodomy in public restrooms, STD disease proliferation, and homosexual child molestation.
Thales

Cincinnati, OH

#585 Dec 20, 2012
come on now wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey I said I was mistaken... it is the marriage certificate that is the technical civil contract. Now before you deny that if a contract between the two people were not in place then divorce lawyers would not be needed .
"If you want to contract with a LGBTQ and call it marriage, there is nothing stopping you. No government participation or license is required for you to make a LGBTQ contract."
Thing is they are U.S. citizens and should be allowed to have the same benefits given to other citizens who the state allows to enter int the civil contract of marriage.
It has been stated repeatably, but muddled brains can't comprehend the facts; LGBTQ invert the priorities of sex, making their hedonism the primary objective over sexual reproduction
You never did answer, so I will ask again.... if the primary goal of marital sex is reproduction... and homosexuals can not reproduce.. then why do we allow others to marry who can not reproduce... i.e. infertile, "fixed" and post menopausal women... all three groups are as likely to reproduce an homosexuals.
Their latest legal manuever is to get taxpayer support for their proclivities, sodomy and abortion, via a marriage license.
Abortion is the ultimate perverted sex related activity promoted by LGBTQ.
Do you realize how stupid you sound here?,,, First you state that homosex is about "hedonism" (which is a joke in itself)... Then you state that Abortion is the .... IF they can not get pregnant... where does abortion fit in?..... Hello Mcfly.....
LGBTQ do reproduce, because LGBTQ include Bi-sexual and Questioning people as members too. This well-known fact is obvious, so I find it baffling you would ask a question to which a third grader would know the answer. As an example, Obama the president of the US is a bi-sexual, has two kids, and is a strong advocate of abortion on demand.

You strain credulity with your drama queen personna.

A marriage certificate is a piece of paper, that signifies a marriage license. This fact is obvious. Why are you acting so stupid here? A third grader would know these facts, but you struggle with the obvious.
Thales

Cincinnati, OH

#586 Dec 20, 2012
Even strictly lesbo harpies occasionally reproduce, using artificial means of course, but they do so only at their convenience, reserving abortion as a swift back-up plan when times are tough.

The most strident advocates of abortion on demand are lesbians.

Why must I state the obvious?
Thales

Cincinnati, OH

#587 Dec 20, 2012
Thales wrote:
<quoted text>
LGBTQ do reproduce, because LGBTQ include Bi-sexual and Questioning people as members too. This well-known fact is obvious, so I find it baffling you would ask a question to which a third grader would know the answer. As an example, Obama the president of the US is a bi-sexual, has two kids, and is a strong advocate of abortion on demand.
You strain credulity with your drama queen personna.
A marriage certificate is a piece of paper, that signifies a marriage license. This fact is obvious. Why are you acting so stupid here? A third grader would know these facts, but you struggle with the obvious.
Speaking of Obama, he is a professional politicican that has never worked a private sector job in his entire life. Obama has always sucked on the government teat.

Barack the bi-sexual has emboldened his LGBTQ brethren to demand similar government subsidies via a same-sex marriage license.
come on now

Bolingbrook, IL

#588 Dec 20, 2012
Thales wrote:
<quoted text>
Despite your insinuations, sodomy and elective abortion will not end with a same sex marriage license.
Sodomy and hedonism and abortion are important priorities of all militant LGBTQ such as yourself.
If anything, a same sex marriage license will force taxpayer subsidy of the consequences of LGBTQ sodomy and hedonism, which are more STD therapies and unwanted pregnancy and abortion on demand. A taxpayer subsidy of perversion is a powerful endorsement, and you'll get more of it as a result, not less.
It is unlikely a marriage license will reduce LGBTQ proclivities such as abortion, gloryholes, sodomy in public restrooms, STD disease proliferation, and homosexual child molestation.
Despite your insinuations, sodomy and elective abortion will not end with a same sex marriage license.

Sodomy and hedonism and abortion are important priorities of all militant LGBTQ such as yourself.

Ask someone to get you hooked on phonics for Christmas because your reading comprehension needs help.

First it is YOUR opinion re sodomy and hedonism. Second I said that abortion is not an issue with ssc because as you have pointed out they can not have kids.
Third... besides your skewed view... you got anything to back you view up?....

If anything, a same sex marriage license will force taxpayer subsidy of the consequences of LGBTQ sodomy and hedonism, which are more STD therapies and unwanted pregnancy and abortion on demand.

First tax payer subsidize all sorts of things in a marraige. So the subdidies that may come form an ssm... would make them equal to other americans. Yes I know that is a foreign concept to you equality.

Second there you go again how will ssm increase abortions.... no babies being made to abort....

Third... news flash osc have anal sex also.... lesbibans as a general rule do not... so can they get maried?

"It is unlikely a marriage license will reduce LGBTQ proclivities such as abortion, gloryholes, sodomy in public restrooms, STD disease proliferation, "

Really... are you married... if so how many times have you cheated on your mate?... how many times have they cheated on you?.... point is your assumption that a ssc in a long term relation of marriage would cheat is unfounded..... But most of your points are so at least you are consistent
come on now

Bolingbrook, IL

#589 Dec 20, 2012
Thales wrote:
<quoted text>
LGBTQ do reproduce, because LGBTQ include Bi-sexual and Questioning people as members too. This well-known fact is obvious, so I find it baffling you would ask a question to which a third grader would know the answer. As an example, Obama the president of the US is a bi-sexual, has two kids, and is a strong advocate of abortion on demand.
You strain credulity with your drama queen personna.
A marriage certificate is a piece of paper, that signifies a marriage license. This fact is obvious. Why are you acting so stupid here? A third grader would know these facts, but you struggle with the obvious.
LGBTQ do reproduce, because LGBTQ include Bi-sexual and Questioning people as members too.

First we are talking homosexual marriage... not bi not tran.. dont know what the q is (other than your childish attempt at calling them derogatory name)
Second ssc do procreate via sperm doners, egg doners and surrogates. But again does not matter how it is done... the baby arrives regardless

"Obama the president of the US is a bi-sexual, has two kids, and is a strong advocate of abortion on demand."

Do you have proof he is bisexual.... if not you just commited slander. If the big O was not busy messing up the economy... he could sue. Unless of course you can prove your statement....

"A marriage certificate is a piece of paper, that signifies a marriage license. "
Actually what it is is a piece of paper showing that they have legally entered into a marriage contract.
Thales

Cincinnati, OH

#590 Dec 20, 2012
come on now wrote:
<quoted text>
LGBTQ do reproduce, because LGBTQ include Bi-sexual and Questioning people as members too.
First we are talking homosexual marriage... not bi not tran.. dont know what the q is (other than your childish attempt at calling them derogatory name)
Second ssc do procreate via sperm doners, egg doners and surrogates. But again does not matter how it is done... the baby arrives regardless
"Obama the president of the US is a bi-sexual, has two kids, and is a strong advocate of abortion on demand."
Do you have proof he is bisexual.... if not you just commited slander. If the big O was not busy messing up the economy... he could sue. Unless of course you can prove your statement....
"A marriage certificate is a piece of paper, that signifies a marriage license. "
Actually what it is is a piece of paper showing that they have legally entered into a marriage contract.
The "Q" in LGBTQ is questioning queer people, people who are not sure they are queer, but need people like you to initiate them into the alternate lifestyle of sodomy and abortion. Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts and altar boys have all been recent victims of your initiation rites. I didn't invent the terminology; the LGBTQ acronym was invented by queer people like you.

The legal certificate given to married couples is called a marriage license, not a marriage contract, dummy.

Here's what a marriage license is peabrain; this is what you seek...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_license

http://www.mcohio.org/government/probate/marr...

It's sad that I've got to spoon feed obvious things to people like you.

Larry Sinclair and others were your bi-sexual president's man-meat.

http://www.amazon.com/Barack-Obama-Larry-Sinc...

http://lybio.net/larry-sinclairs-detailed-all...

http://hillbuzz.org/is-barack-obama-gay

When anyone disparages a public figure in writing, it is called libel, not slander. Regardless of your general ignorance of law, it is impossible to libel a public official, because that is protected speech via the first amendment. The first amendment protection of political speech is what retards like you attack incessantly with your hate speech prosecutions. Hate speech prosecution is one of many entitlements that LGBTQ demand and receive as part of their Diversity scheming.

Transforming marriage from an institution to support raising children to a club for adult hedonism is a pathetic subterfuge by LGBTQ to get their rampant STDs and abortions paid for by taxpayers.
Thales

Cincinnati, OH

#591 Dec 20, 2012
When a couple divorces, and they have a marriage license, they have to litigate the assets acquired during the marriage because, surprise surprise, they leveraged public taxpayer support during the marriage.

A marriage license is public support of the marriage.

There is no such thing as a marriage contract, only a marriage license.

If you want to sign a contract naming your favorite pet gerbil as a beneficiary, and call it a marriage contract, you can do that already. Estate law allows for pets, two legged or four legged pets, to receive survivor benefits stipulated in a will or trust.

Go for it.

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