Gay Marriage Debate - Cleburne, TX

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heartandmind

Moline, IL

#24 Jul 20, 2011
well it's a good thing our laws aren't biblical - they're secular and as such aren't reflective of any particular religion or faith.
linda lee

Cleburne, TX

#25 Aug 25, 2011
marriage is a union between a woman and a man. It is blessed by God. The gay life style is an abomination in the eyes of God.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#26 Aug 25, 2011
then please, show us the actual definition from within the bible as to what "abomination" means.

here, i'll even do that research for you (note, the author wrote it back in the days before the gay rights movement....back in 1897 - check out the bibliography)
http://www.bible-history.com/eastons/A/Abomin...
Abomination
This word is used,(1.) To express the idea that the Egyptians
considered themselves as defiled when they ate with strangers
(Gen. 43:32). The Jews subsequently followed the same practice,
holding it unlawful to eat or drink with foreigners (John 18:28;
Acts 10:28; 11:3).
(2.) Every shepherd was "an abomination" unto the Egyptians
(Gen. 46:34). This aversion to shepherds, such as the Hebrews,
arose probably from the fact that Lower and Middle Egypt had
formerly been held in oppressive subjection by a tribe of nomad
shepherds (the Hyksos), who had only recently been expelled, and
partly also perhaps from this other fact that the Egyptians
detested the lawless habits of these wandering shepherds.
(3.) Pharaoh was so moved by the fourth plague, that while he
refused the demand of Moses, he offered a compromise, granting
to the Israelites permission to hold their festival and offer
their sacrifices in Egypt. This permission could not be
accepted, because Moses said they would have to sacrifice "the
abomination of the Egyptians" (Ex. 8:26); i.e., the cow or ox,
which all the Egyptians held as sacred, and which they regarded
it as sacrilegious to kill.
(4.) Daniel (11:31), in that section of his prophecies which
is generally interpreted as referring to the fearful calamities
that were to fall on the Jews in the time of Antiochus
Epiphanes, says, "And they shall place the abomination that
maketh desolate." Antiochus Epiphanes caused an altar to be
erected on the altar of burnt-offering, on which sacrifices were
offered to Jupiter Olympus.(Comp. 1 Macc. 1:57). This was the
abomination of the desolation of Jerusalem. The same language is
employed in Dan. 9:27 (comp. Matt. 24:15), where the reference
is probably to the image-crowned standards which the Romans set
up at the east gate of the temple (A.D. 70), and to which they
paid idolatrous honours. "Almost the entire religion of the
Roman camp consisted in worshipping the ensign, swearing by the
ensign, and in preferring the ensign before all other gods."
These ensigns were an "abomination" to the Jews, the
"abomination of desolation."
This word is also used symbolically of sin in general (Isa.
66:3); an idol (44:19); the ceremonies of the apostate Church of
Rome (Rev. 17:4); a detestable act (Ezek. 22:11).


Bibliography Information
Easton, Matthew George. M.A., D.D., "Biblical Meaning for 'Abomination' Eastons Bible Dictionary".
bible-history.com - Eastons; 1897.

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heartandmind

Moline, IL

#27 Aug 25, 2011
not enough? here's another for you from 1915 (also prior to the "gay rights movement"):
http://www.bible-history.com/isbe/A/ABOMINATI...

a-bom-i-na'-shun (piggul, to`ebhah, sheqets (shiqquts)): Three distinct Hebrew words are rendered in the English Bible by "abomination," or "abominable thing," referring (except in Gen 43:32; 46:34) to things or practices abhorrent to Yahweh, and opposed to the ritual or moral requirements of His religion. It would be well if these words could be distinguished in translation, as they denote different degrees of abhorrence or loathsomeness.
The word most used for this idea by the Hebrews and indicating the highest degree of abomination is to`ebhah, meaning primarily that which offends the religious sense of a people. When it is said, for example, "The Egyptians might not eat bread with the Hebrews; for that is an abomination unto the Egyptians," this is the word used; the significance being that the Hebrews were repugnant to the Egyptians as foreigners, as of an inferior caste, and especially as shepherds (Gen 46:34).
The feeling of the Egyptians for the Greeks was likewise one of repugnance. Herodotus (ii.41) says the Egyptians would not kiss a Greek on the mouth, or use his dish, or taste meat cut with the knife of a Greek.
Among the objects described in the Old Testament as "abominations" in this sense are heathen gods, such as Ashtoreth (Astarte), Chemosh, Milcom, the "abominations" of the Zidonians (Phoenicians), Moabites, and Ammonites, respectively (2 Ki 23:13), and everything connected with the worship of such gods. When Pharaoh, remonstrating against the departure of the children of Israel, exhorted them to offer sacrifices to their God in Egypt, Moses said: "Shall we sacrifice the abomination of the Egyptians (i.e. the animals worshipped by them which were taboo, to`ebhah, to the Israelites) before their eyes, and will they not stone us?" (Ex 8:26).
~more in next posting - due to character limits~
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#28 Aug 25, 2011
~more from the above link~
It is to be noted that, not only the heathen idol itself, but anything offered to or associated with the idol, all the paraphernalia of the forbidden cult, was called an "abomination," for it "is an abomination to Yahweh thy God" (Dt 7:25,26). The Deuteronomic writer here adds, in terms quite significant of the point of view and the spirit of the whole law:`Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thy house and thus become a thing set apart (cherem = tabooed) like unto it; thou shalt utterly detest it and utterly abhor it, for it is a thing set apart'(tabooed). To`ebhah is even used as synonymous with "idol" or heathen deity, as in Isa 44:19; Dt 32:16; 2 Ki 23:13; and especially Ex 8:22 ff.
Everything akin to magic or divination is likewise an abomination to`ebhah; as are sexual transgressions (Dt 22:5; 23:18; 24:4), especially incest and other unnatural offenses: "For all these abominations have the men of the land done, that were before you" (Lev 18:27; compare Ezek 8:15). It is to be noted, however, that the word takes on in the later usage a higher ethical and spiritual meaning: as where "divers measures, a great and a small," are forbidden (Dt 25:14-16); and in Proverbs where "lying lips" (12:22), "the proud in heart" (16:5), "the way of the wicked" (15:9), "evil devices" (15:26), and "he that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the righteous" (17:15), are said to be an abomination in God's sight. At last prophet and sage are found to unite in declaring that any sacrifice, however free from physical blemish, if offered without purity of motive, is an abomination:`Bring no more an oblation of falsehood--an incense of abomination it is to me'(Isa 1:13; compare Jer 7:10). "The sacrifice of the wicked" and the prayer of him "that turneth away his ear from hearing the law," are equally an abomination (see Prov 15:8; 21:27; 28:9).
Another word rendered "abomination" in the King James Version is sheqets or shiqquts. It expresses generally a somewhat less degree of horror or religious aversion than [to`ebhah], but sometimes seems to stand about on a level with it in meaning. In Dt 14:3, for example, we have the command, "Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing," as introductory to the laws prohibiting the use of the unclean animals (see CLEAN; UNCLEANNESS), and the word there used is [to`ebhah]. But in Lev 11:10-13,20,23,41,42; Isa 66:17; and in Ezek 8:10 sheqets is the word used and likewise applied to the prohibited animals; as also in Lev 11:43 sheqets is used when it is commanded, "Ye shall not make yourselves abominable." Then sheqets is often used parallel to or together with to`ebhah of that which should be held as detestable, as for instance, of idols and idolatrous practices (see especially Dt 29:17; Hos 9:10; Jer 4:1; 13:27; 16:18; Ezek 11:18-21; 20:7,8). It is used exactly as [to`ebhah] is used as applied to Milcom, the god of the Ammonites, which is spoken of as the detestable thing sheqets of the Ammonites (1 Ki 11:5). Still even in such cases to`ebhah seems to be the stronger word and to express that which is in the highest degree abhorrent.
~one more posting to conclude, and give you the bibliography for the information in the above link~
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#29 Aug 25, 2011
~final posting from above link~

The other word used to express a somewhat kindred idea of abhorrence and translated "abomination" in the King James Version is piggul; but it is used in the Hebrew Bible only of sacrificial flesh that has become stale, putrid, tainted (see Lev 7:18; 19:7; Ezek 4:14; Isa 65:4). Driver maintains that it occurs only as a "technical term for such state sacrificial flesh as has not been eaten within the prescribed time," and, accordingly, he would everywhere render it specifically "refuse meat." Compare lechem megho'al, "the loaths ome bread" (from ga'al, "to loathe") Mal 1:7. A chief interest in the subject for Christians grows out of the use of the term in the expression "abomination of desolation" (Mt 24:15 and Mk 13:14), which see.
Bibliography Information
Orr, James, M.A., D.D. General Editor. "Definition for 'ABOMINATION'". "International Standard Bible Encyclopedia". bible-history.com - ISBE; 1915.
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l lee

Cleburne, TX

#30 Aug 25, 2011
webster's extreme disgust, any action custom, practice,or thing which arouse feels of disgust. just nasty
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#31 Aug 25, 2011
l lee wrote:
webster's extreme disgust, any action custom, practice,or thing which arouse feels of disgust. just nasty
if you're going to use the bible as your "excuse" then you should know what the bible says - and using the bible's own definitions and explanations...well, you can read what was posted before.

webster's doesn't really cut it when you compare it to the bible, if you're really a christian.

but just in case you want to believe it carries more weight, here's how webster's defines marriage :

Definition of MARRIAGE
1a (1): the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2): the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage> b : the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock c : the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
2: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3: an intimate or close union <the marriage of painting and poetry J. T. Shawcross>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mar...
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#32 Aug 25, 2011
l lee wrote:
webster's extreme disgust, any action custom, practice,or thing which arouse feels of disgust. just nasty
...and laws aren't made in accordance with how it makes anyone feel. they're based upon our united states constitution and bill of rights. both documents that guarantee everyone the same fair and equatible treatment under the law and due process of those laws to every citizen of the united states. they don't differentiate as to gender, race, creed, color or religious choice.
l lee

Cleburne, TX

#33 Aug 26, 2011
do u have the right to marry your dog? thats just as disgusting. you have rights but don't bring God in the mess. I mean mess. All people should have rights. Don't slap God in the face by trying to make him a part of this messy situation. God isa holly GOD
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#34 Aug 29, 2011
l lee wrote:
do u have the right to marry your dog? thats just as disgusting. you have rights but don't bring God in the mess. I mean mess. All people should have rights. Don't slap God in the face by trying to make him a part of this messy situation. God isa holly GOD
neither dogs nor children have the ability to enter into a contract as they do not have the conscience or the decision making ability that adults do.

and it's spelled "holy" dear.

and just because YOU believe the way that you do doesn't mean that every other Christian does. there's plenty of churches and denominations that do welcome homosexuals as both coongregants and clergy -without expectation of "changing".
Ron Vereen

Cleburne, TX

#35 Nov 20, 2011
considering that straight is a failure why not.
Scar

Cleburne, TX

#36 Nov 20, 2011
Also states that in Revelations that the 144'000 gonna be choosed is virgins that did not defile themselves with woman!

Since: Mar 13

Fort Worth, TX

#37 Mar 12, 2013
homosexuals are anobomina wrote:
homosexuals are an abomination the word of god says they should be destroyed as they serve no usefulness
You have got to be kidding, if thats what you think then dont marry a gay person.

NNNOOOO thats not good enough for you, you have the adaucity to think YOUR morals should be laws for everyone else, what a sad person you are.

Since: Mar 13

Fort Worth, TX

#38 Mar 15, 2013
its the right thing to do.

Since: Mar 13

Fort Worth, TX

#39 Mar 15, 2013
All gay americans have THE RIGHT TO PURSUE HAPPINESS.
STOP TRYNG MAKE YOUR MORALS LAW.
DANG i WILL BE MOVING THERE SOON. I WANTED TO MEET PEOPLE WHO WERE WERE NOT RASCIST OF HOMOHOBIC [YES THEY ARE BOTH HAND IN HAND, THEY ARE BOTH MINORITY GROUPS BORN THAT WAY.
belinda baker

Grand Prairie, TX

#40 Nov 16, 2013
Yes I've been with my partner for five years. we want to get married and have the same rights as hetro couples
Philmnards

Palmdale, CA

#43 Jan 31, 2015
Chances nightclub is for the gays
rwalden

Cleburne, TX

#44 Feb 25, 2015
its discrementation they have rights
rwalden

Cleburne, TX

#45 Feb 25, 2015
homosexuals are anobomina wrote:
homosexuals are an abomination the word of god says they should be destroyed as they serve no usefulness
well thats real christian

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