Gay Marriage Debate - Cleburne, TX

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HB

Dallas, TX

#1 Jul 30, 2010
It is only fair for all people to have the right to marry.
La

United States

#5 Jun 6, 2011
I think gay people should be treated the same everywhere and at all times they are not hitting anyone they just as normal and all the want is to be happy.
Get Thy Facts Straight

Candor, NY

#6 Jun 8, 2011
Homosexuals have certain characteristics, but "normal" is definitely not one of them.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#7 Jun 9, 2011
Get Thy Facts Straight wrote:
Homosexuals have certain characteristics, but "normal" is definitely not one of them.
just because you don't see it as 'normal' for yourself doesn't mean someone else won't.
Get Thy Facts Straight

Candor, NY

#8 Jun 9, 2011
"Normal" is not an opinion, it is a statistic.

When the majority of people have become homosexual it will be considered normal.
texas_cowboy

Desoto, TX

#9 Jun 9, 2011
Get Thy Facts Straight wrote:
Homosexuals have certain characteristics, but "normal" is definitely not one of them.
What is "normal"?
Most Gays and straights most likely strive for high morale character but some fail like the recent Congressmen scandal and others...
Sexual urges have been the downfall of many men and women. Most people that "crash and burn" their careers by sexual misconduct are straight.
Get Thy Facts Straight

Candor, NY

#10 Jun 9, 2011
As I just explained, "normal" is what most are. Most people are not homosexual.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#11 Jun 9, 2011
Get Thy Facts Straight wrote:
"Normal" is not an opinion, it is a statistic.
When the majority of people have become homosexual it will be considered normal.
no, actually, you're wrong. your theory is flawed.

for example, it may be normal for you to go fishing every weekend. for me, that action is not normal. for me, it's normal to take the kids to soccer matches every saturday. for you, that action may not be.

as in merriam webster's definitions :
1: perpendicular; especially : perpendicular to a tangent at a point of tangency
2a : according with, constituting, or not deviating from a norm, rule, or principle b : conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern
3: occurring naturally

it's also synonymous with "average", "common" and "ordinary".
has nothing to do with your idea of "ratios" - it occurs naturally in all species (yes, humans included).
Get Thy Facts Straight

Candor, NY

#12 Jun 9, 2011
What do you think

"according with, constituting, or not deviating from a norm, rule, or principle b : conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern"

means, lol

That's exactly what I'm talking about. It's not about what's normal for you, or me, or anyone else. It's about what the norm is for the entire population.

Until at least half of the population is homosexual, homosexuality is ABnormal.

By your reasoning, insanity is normal - if you're talking about the inmates at the asylum.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#13 Jun 9, 2011
Get Thy Facts Straight wrote:
What do you think
"according with, constituting, or not deviating from a norm, rule, or principle b : conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern"
means, lol
That's exactly what I'm talking about. It's not about what's normal for you, or me, or anyone else. It's about what the norm is for the entire population.
Until at least half of the population is homosexual, homosexuality is ABnormal.
By your reasoning, insanity is normal - if you're talking about the inmates at the asylum.
and what does : conforming to a type, standard, or regular pattern
3: occurring naturally

that pattern differs for various segments of the populace.
then again, there's also the "occurring naturally" side of the argument as well. read, man, read. better yet, comprehend. if you have difficulty in that area, i'll be happy to assist. i'm highly educated and trained and volunteer in my community a great deal, so it's in my nature to be helpful.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#14 Jun 9, 2011
further, you might try reading something from the APA....LOL

from the APA :
http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientat...

"Is sexual orientation a choice? No, human beings cannot choose to be either gay or straight. For most people, sexual orientation emerges in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed."

"What causes a person to have a particular sexual orientation?There are numerous theories about the origins of a person's sexual orientation. Most scientists today agree that sexual orientation is most likely the result of a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive and biological factors. In most people, sexual orientation is shaped at an early age. There is also considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person's sexuality.

It's important to recognize that there are probably many reasons for a person's sexual orientation, and the reasons may be different for different people."

http://www.apa.org/about/governance/council/p...
"WHEREAS the American Psychological Association has been on record since 1975 that “homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social and vocational capabilities”; and......"

http://www.apa.org/monitor/2011/02/myth-buste...
"She recruited 30 exclusively homosexual and 30 exclusively heterosexual men, matched for age, IQ scores and education. With the aid of the Mattachine Society, one of the first gay-rights organizations, access to homosexuals was no problem, but finding heterosexual men who would agree to participate was very difficult. She could not conduct the study on the UCLA campus in spite of pressure to do so. The nature of the research required strict confidentiality, so she used a small study on her spacious Los Angeles estate on Saltair Avenue. She approached firemen, policemen, maintenance workers, any heterosexual men she could persuade to participate. Her husband said,“No man is safe on Saltair Avenue.”

Each participant took three projective tests: The Rorschach, the Make a Picture Story Test (MAPS) and the Thematic Apperception Test (TAT). After scoring the tests herself, she then gave the test protocols with all identifying information removed to experts in those tests: Bruno Klopfer for the Rorschach, Edward Shneidman, the inventor of MAPS, and Mortimer Meyer for the TAT. An adjustment rating was assigned to each participant based on the test scores, and then the experts were given paired Rorschach protocols, one from a gay participant, one from a straight participant and asked to identify the homosexual. As with heterosexuals, homosexuals’ adjustment varied from superior to disturbed. Two-thirds of the research participants in each group were judged as having average or better adjustment. Further, experts were unable to identify the gay participant’s protocol from the matched pairs at better than chance accuracy. There was no association between homosexuality and psychological maladjustment. One of her experts, who was sure he could distinguish the groups, asked for another chance to review the protocols, but was no more successful the second time than the first."

there's hundreds of articles and references that disprove your "theory"...but i wouldn't want to make your head swim in facts and data and test results. all that's a good start for a beginner researcher. happy reading.
Get Thy Facts Straight

Candor, NY

#15 Jun 9, 2011
You're getting way way way off center.

It started when you tried to confuse the definition of a simple word: "normal"

Now you're trying to confuse it further by veering into what causes a person to become homosexual.

The original point, which is the only one I am interested in, is that heterosexuality is normal and homosexuality is abnormal. It is a matter of simple arithmetic and numbers do not lie.

EOD
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#16 Jun 9, 2011
Get Thy Facts Straight wrote:
You're getting way way way off center.
It started when you tried to confuse the definition of a simple word: "normal"
Now you're trying to confuse it further by veering into what causes a person to become homosexual.
The original point, which is the only one I am interested in, is that heterosexuality is normal and homosexuality is abnormal. It is a matter of simple arithmetic and numbers do not lie.
EOD
And the definition of "normal" does not include anything remotely referencing any of those ratios.

the additional information regarding the APA was a guide and a reference for you see that professionals disagree with you with regards about "normal" with regards to one's sexuality.
interesting

Wylie, TX

#17 Jun 9, 2011
Get Thy Facts Straight wrote:
As I just explained, "normal" is what most are. Most people are not homosexual.
Doesn't matter what you think is normal. What's normal for each person is what they're going to live by anyway. You don't get to dictate that.
Get Thy Facts Straight

Candor, NY

#18 Jun 9, 2011
heartandmind wrote:
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And the definition of "normal" does not include anything remotely referencing any of those ratios.
the additional information regarding the APA was a guide and a reference for you see that professionals disagree with you with regards about "normal" with regards to one's sexuality.
If nothing else, I have to give you points for mindless persistance.
Get Thy Facts Straight

Candor, NY

#19 Jun 9, 2011
interesting wrote:
<quoted text>
Doesn't matter what you think is normal. What's normal for each person is what they're going to live by anyway. You don't get to dictate that.
If you were following along, you should understand that I'm not talking about individuals but rather the entire population.

By your reasoning, the most eccentric, offbeat, off the wall character on the planet is "normal". I don't believe that most people would agree with that.
interesting

Wylie, TX

#20 Jun 9, 2011
Get Thy Facts Straight wrote:
<quoted text>
If you were following along, you should understand that I'm not talking about individuals but rather the entire population.
By your reasoning, the most eccentric, offbeat, off the wall character on the planet is "normal". I don't believe that most people would agree with that.
Well, we could then include you as a "normal" if we included eccentric, offbeat, off the wall, for sure.

You can't lump everyone into the same pot, redneck. How about I do that with you? Afterall, Texans/rednecks/southerners sure have quite the stupid reputation. Profess not to be, and you'd still be in that grouping and should take responsibility for all the dumb rednecks that think it's cool to get stoned, fly that confederate flag and take pot shots from the sofa on the front porch at people driving by on the dirt road while belching and sitting there with their pants down around their knees.

Generalizations go both ways pal. Sometimes they fit, sometimes they don't.
interesting

Wylie, TX

#21 Jun 9, 2011
Get Thy Facts Straight wrote:
<quoted text>
If nothing else, I have to give you points for mindless persistance.
I've read enough of h&m's posts to know they know their stuff with regards to legalities and equality and the Constitution, with a large dash of some medical/psychological research tossed.

No, I personally don't know them. No, I don't care to meet anyone up here - I'm a busy man with a wife, kids and a decent job.

So run along and go play in the dirt road that runs along side your house out their in the boondocks.
Get Thy Facts Straight

Candor, NY

#22 Jun 9, 2011
I'd much rather than than two guys swapping spit lol
homosexuals are anobomina

Schaumburg, IL

#23 Jul 19, 2011
homosexuals are an abomination the word of god says they should be destroyed as they serve no usefulness

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