Gay Marriage Debate - Chicago, IL

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Since: Jun 11

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#1977 Jul 9, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
I'm not appealing to tradition, I'm saying there is no citation for the quote. I'm claiming, Goldwater never supported same sex marriage.
This isn't prejudice, this is fact. You don't have to do your research for me, you have to provide a citation if you expect anyone to believe what you post.
And where is your citation to support your claim Goldwater never supported same sex marriage?

You can't provide any because none exists. Irrational prejudice is all you have.

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#1978 Jul 9, 2012
That's right, I can't prove a negative. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It's not irrational prejudice, it's logic, there's no way to prove something doesn't exist, you can only prove something else did exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_abse...

The issue is scholarship, what Goldwater said and when he said it; not tradition.

I'm saying their in no cited quote from Goldwater supporting same sex marriage and I'm the first to say, I don't have a citation. There is no citation.

Get it? I believe the previous uncited Goldwater quote was bogus.

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#1979 Jul 10, 2012
At least you admit Goldwater never spoke or wrote anything in opposition to marriage equality for gay people.

His writings supporting equal rights for gay people are well known and available for anyone who cares to check.

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#1980 Jul 10, 2012
“Research over several decades has demonstrated that sexual orientation ranges along a continuum, from exclusive attraction to the other sex to exclusive attraction to the same sex. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding.”(American Psychological Association)

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#1982 Jul 10, 2012
I don't know, I'm not a Goldwater scholar. Obviously, neither are you. N.Y.E. is the person posting the "persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed", not me.

I've always written there is nothing wrong with homosexuals or homosexuality. That's not a sufficient reason to ditch the gender diversity affirmative action principle of male/female marriage for a unisex gender segregated rule. I like marriage as is, I'm a moderate.

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#1983 Jul 16, 2012
"The big thing is to make this country, along with every other country in the world with a few exceptions, quit discriminating against people just because they're gay," Goldwater asserts. "You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay. And that's what brings me into it."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics...

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#1984 Jul 16, 2012
"The first time this came up was with the question, should there be gays in the military?" Goldwater says. "Having spent 37 years of my life in the military as a reservist, and never having met a gay in all of that time, and never having even talked about it in all those years, I just thought, why the hell shouldn't they serve? They're American citizens. As long as they're not doing things that are harmful to anyone else.... So I came out for it."

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#1985 Jul 16, 2012
Finally, a citation. Goldwater said these things when he wasn't running for office. He said this in 1994, after an appointment to a bureaucracy.
Avery Sameshima

Chicago, IL

#1986 Aug 7, 2012
Love is love no matter the genders of those acting. <3

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#1987 Aug 7, 2012
Love is love and marriage is marriage.

Marriage isn't for everyone.
gretchen

Chicago, IL

#1990 Sep 2, 2012
we need to start supporting all forms of love in this cruel world

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#1991 Sep 2, 2012
We do support love, we don't need to rewrite marriage laws for everyone to satiate every sexual predilection.
Republican4Obama

El Monte, CA

#1992 Sep 4, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
We do support love, we don't need to rewrite marriage laws for everyone to satiate every sexual predilection.
I am glad you found out that all the big cities "SUPPORT" gay marriage, russell springs is a small town with a small brain, that goes to all small towns, sorry brian but your agenda won't work in the top 4 biggest cities of the usa. Now you know.
Republican4Obama

United States

#1993 Sep 4, 2012
THIS IS NOT RUSSELL SPRINGS KY. BRIAN AS YOU CAN SEE FOR YOURSELF.
Republican4Obama

United States

#1994 Sep 4, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
Love is love and marriage is marriage.
Marriage isn't for everyone.
this poll just proved you WRONG.

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#1995 Sep 8, 2012
Both Obama and Biden had these views in 2008:

22 Marriage is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix.- B. Obama
23 Faith - J. Biden

Do you prefer a candidate that changes his mind when politically convenient or one that keeps promises?

Romney and Ryan have always maintained marriage is one man and one woman.

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#1996 Sep 9, 2012
Those who want us to believe the Republican and Democratic positions on same sex marriage are or have been the same, must think we are really stupid, or aren't paying attention.

The Republican position is that we should have no marriage rights, while the Democratic position has been that we should have all of the rights of marriage but under the term "civil union" rather than marriage. While some Democrats have supported full marriage equality for many years, the party position has finally caught up, while the Republican party wants to take away all equal rights of marriage and enshrine prejudice and discrimination in the constitution, changing it from a document that requires liberty and justice for all, to one that denies equal rights.

"Back when Romney was running for the U.S. Senate in 1994, he promised to be a champion for "full equality" for gays and lesbians — which many understood to include even gay marriage.

"His campaign distributed at the gay pride parade pink flyers that asserted that he would be a better and a stronger advocate than Ted Kennedy," recalls lobbyist Arlene Isaacson.

She says just a few years later, everything changed — after Romney was elected governor in 2002, and a Massachusetts supreme court decision in 2003 paved the way for gay marriage the next year.

"Once he became governor and had his eye on the White House, he totally flipped," she says. "It was across-the-board prohibition of any small bite of equality for the gay community."

In 1994, Romney favored the idea of gays serving openly in the military. But by the time he ran for president in 2008, he argued against it. Also, after first backing legislation to protect gays and lesbians from job discrimination, Romney now opposes it.
"You can't say, on the one hand, that you don't want to discriminate against people and, on the other hand, say that you don't think they should have any rights," says longtime Democratic activist Richard Socarides. "He calls them special rights."

R. Clarke Cooper, head of the gay organization the Log Cabin Republicans, agrees: "He's parsed his words in a way that almost seems to some like he wants it both ways."

http://www.npr.org/2012/05/10/152431577/romne...
Mitt RomNo-way

United States

#1997 Sep 9, 2012
Not yet equal your post is too long to reply directly, but republicans are becoming the minority in this country because they asked for it, most people are either poor, working pay check to pay check or middle class, the rich, wealthy and ignorant are the minority, romney will be defeated in november and he must be, he is another bigot from the wingers party, who hates the poor, gays, and prosperity for the middle class, he is evil, and must be defeated.

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#1998 Oct 3, 2012
Are you kidding?! Haven't we been through this whole charade of denying rights to certain populations (i.e. slaves, women)?! I thought we'd evolved.

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#1999 Oct 5, 2012
Civilizations rise, evolve then die.

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