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henry walkingstick

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Aug 3, 2010
 
it is biblically wrong and immoral
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Aug 3, 2010
 
Immoral. If this were the way we should live why are there two sexes. Male and Female? Also there is a GOD and there will be a judgement day for each of us..Think about it.
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Aug 4, 2010
 
read what the bible says.it is an abomination to the lord for man to be with man and woman with woman.
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Aug 5, 2010
 
what two people do in at home is up to them but It's not something i would like my kids to see.

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Aug 6, 2010
 
night train wrote:
what two people do in at home is up to them but It's not something i would like my kids to see.
I hope you wouldn't want your kids to see a straight couple having sex any more then a gay couple.

For those of you quoting the bible, there is no part of the bible that says a homosexual relationship is a sin. It says homosexual rape is a sin, but so is heterosexual rape. It says that cheating on your spouse with someone of the same sex is a sin, but cheating on your spouse is a sin no matter what. It says that going against your own nature is a sin, but if your nature is to be gay, then you're not going against your own nature. It says that being with a prostitute of the same sex is a sin, but so is being with a prostitute of the opposite sex. Homosexuality is no more sinful the heterosexuality.

Oh, and marriage was created by men, not God.
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Aug 9, 2010
 
it's fair
nagasee

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Aug 9, 2010
 
Momma Nerd wrote:
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I hope you wouldn't want your kids to see a straight couple having sex any more then a gay couple.
For those of you quoting the bible, there is no part of the bible that says a homosexual relationship is a sin. It says homosexual rape is a sin, but so is heterosexual rape. It says that cheating on your spouse with someone of the same sex is a sin, but cheating on your spouse is a sin no matter what. It says that going against your own nature is a sin, but if your nature is to be gay, then you're not going against your own nature. It says that being with a prostitute of the same sex is a sin, but so is being with a prostitute of the opposite sex. Homosexuality is no more sinful the heterosexuality.
Oh, and marriage was created by men, not God.
genesis 2 talks of marriage, the Bible says it is an abomination unto God if a man lay with a man or a woman lay with a woman or if they lay with a beast, read leviticus this a book of the law of God
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Aug 9, 2010
 
morally wrong

“Southern Witch”

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Aug 9, 2010
 
nagasee wrote:
<quoted text>genesis 2 talks of marriage, the Bible says it is an abomination unto God if a man lay with a man or a woman lay with a woman or if they lay with a beast, read leviticus this a book of the law of God
First, not everyone believes in God or the Bible.

Secondly, the bible, specifically Leviticus, which says that laying with a man as with a woman is an abomination.. those same versus say that eating shell fish, undercooked meat or any hooven or cud-eating animal is an abomination. Those same verses say sleeping after sunrise is an abomination, wearing mixed fabrics is an abomination.. and sex? Sleeping with a woman on her period is an abomination, and all sins are equal in God's eyes. So why is it you can ignore the other abominations, and there are a LOT of them in Leviticus alone, but that ONE line about not sleeping with the same sex HAS to be followed? Who are you to decide which of God's words should be obeyed and which can be ignored? If you can't follow the LAW OF GOD, why do you expect anyone else, especially none-Christians, to do the same
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Aug 9, 2010
 
Momma Nerd wrote:
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First, not everyone believes in God or the Bible.
Secondly, the bible, specifically Leviticus, which says that laying with a man as with a woman is an abomination.. those same versus say that eating shell fish, undercooked meat or any hooven or cud-eating animal is an abomination. Those same verses say sleeping after sunrise is an abomination, wearing mixed fabrics is an abomination.. and sex? Sleeping with a woman on her period is an abomination, and all sins are equal in God's eyes. So why is it you can ignore the other abominations, and there are a LOT of them in Leviticus alone, but that ONE line about not sleeping with the same sex HAS to be followed? Who are you to decide which of God's words should be obeyed and which can be ignored? If you can't follow the LAW OF GOD, why do you expect anyone else, especially none-Christians, to do the same
Why dont you back your opinion with scripture. It is easy to paint the bible with a broad brush.

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Aug 10, 2010
 
You want direct quotes? Here's a few.

Leviticus 20:18 "If a man has sexual relations with a woman during her menstrual period, both of them must be cut off from the community, for together they have exposed the source of her blood flow

Leviticus 19:19 “You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind. You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material.

Leviticus 19:27 You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard.

Leviticus 21:5 "'Priests must not shave their heads or shave off the edges of their beards or cut their bodies.

Leviticus 20:27 "'A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.'"

I only list the last one, because it's been illigal to put a witch to death for some time now. kind of ironic, huh?

How about you go find the rest yourself? Or do you really need a heathen reading your Bible for you? Shouldn't you already know these things?
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Aug 10, 2010
 
Momma Nerd wrote:
You want direct quotes? Here's a few.
Leviticus 20:18 "If a man has sexual relations with a woman during her menstrual period, both of them must be cut off from the community, for together they have exposed the source of her blood flow
Leviticus 19:19 “You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind. You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material.
Leviticus 19:27 You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard.
Leviticus 21:5 "'Priests must not shave their heads or shave off the edges of their beards or cut their bodies.
Leviticus 20:27 "'A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.'"
I only list the last one, because it's been illigal to put a witch to death for some time now. kind of ironic, huh?
How about you go find the rest yourself? Or do you really need a heathen reading your Bible for you? Shouldn't you already know these things?
By your attempt in proving us wrong you proved your self wrong. IT IS AN ABOMINATION TO LAY WITH THE SAME SEX. You stated it included other acts. In fact you quoted it did not.
Many of these laws were for the public health concerns.
They lacked something in biblical times, its called ANTIBIOTICS. Cows and animals caught anthrax, people spread bloodborn diseases like leprocy and Tatoos cause infections ect.
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Aug 10, 2010
 
Momma Nerd wrote:
You want direct quotes? Here's a few.
Leviticus 20:18 "If a man has sexual relations with a woman during her menstrual period, both of them must be cut off from the community, for together they have exposed the source of her blood flow
Leviticus 19:19 “You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind. You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material.
Leviticus 19:27 You shall not round off the hair on your temples or mar the edges of your beard.
Leviticus 21:5 "'Priests must not shave their heads or shave off the edges of their beards or cut their bodies.
Leviticus 20:27 "'A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.'"
I only list the last one, because it's been illigal to put a witch to death for some time now. kind of ironic, huh?
How about you go find the rest yourself? Or do you really need a heathen reading your Bible for you? Shouldn't you already know these things?
These are not direct quotes
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Aug 10, 2010
 
Momma Nerd wrote:
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First, not everyone believes in God or the Bible.
Secondly, the bible, specifically Leviticus, which says that laying with a man as with a woman is an abomination.. those same versus say that eating shell fish, undercooked meat or any hooven or cud-eating animal is an abomination. Those same verses say sleeping after sunrise is an abomination, wearing mixed fabrics is an abomination.. and sex? Sleeping with a woman on her period is an abomination, and all sins are equal in God's eyes. So why is it you can ignore the other abominations, and there are a LOT of them in Leviticus alone, but that ONE line about not sleeping with the same sex HAS to be followed? Who are you to decide which of God's words should be obeyed and which can be ignored? If you can't follow the LAW OF GOD, why do you expect anyone else, especially none-Christians, to do the same
First of all I never said you were right or wrong only that marriage was before the law of man came into play, and you are right leviticus states alot, all of those areas you mentioned are listed, but which is specified as an abomination to God????? Some are listed referring to the law of man, however, HOMOSEXUALITY is listed as an abomination to GOD not man, and if you are one of those that doesn't believe in God why do attempt to use Biblical scriptures? Personally I don't care who lays with who, but why do they want to follow in a hetrosexual life style, tradition whatever, I don't feel they should marry nor have children, because life already is to hard for a child brought up by a single parent it only becomes more cruel when they are the same sex

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Aug 10, 2010
 
All of these are sins. I really don't feel like reading half the book of Leviticus again, but near the end of each chapter, there is a part that says something like "These are my rules and any who does not follow them will be punished" or something of the like. Some of them are stoning offences, some mean a person will be cast out.. I believe that same sex relations mean a person should be cast out, but I could be wrong. Almost everything in Leviticus can be forgiven or become "clean" in the eyes of God if an offering is given, normally animal, bird or bread.

And no, these are not exact quotes. Why? Because there are far too many different versions of the bible. There are 4 different versions of the New International Bible, which is a simplified translation, theres the GOD'S WORD Translation, the King James Bible, the American King James Bible, American Standard Version, the Bible in Basic English and countless other. I used the simplest translations because I'm lazy, and it's easier to skim text from my New International without all the Thee's and Thout's and Thine's to confuse me. Go though your own bible and look at the chapters and lines and you'll find basically the same thing, just different words..

And again, read the whole thing, you would be surprised at some of the stuff in there that NO ONE follows today. Like you said, most of it's outdated so we don't follow it.. who get's to choose what's outdated and what's not?

On a personal note, and I don't do this often.. My best friend, a woman I've been close to for 20 years, was raised by her father, a gay man, and his partner. She had a great life, and even living in Fountain City, she didn't get teased or picked on like you would think. She wasn't confused about her own sexuality, and on top of that, she wasn't afraid of it, like a lot of kids growing up. She felt comfortable asking questions because her father and his partner (she called him pop) where willing to talk to her about anything, and if they couldn't explain it, they had her aunt help. And that's kind of what family is for, ya know? She's happily married now, has been for 12 years, has 3 kids and her father and pop are still together. All told, she had one of the normal households growing up. I knew a lot of kids with drug addict parents and abusive step fathers. Cruel? You've kind of taken a stereotypical view on the subject. Yes, there are families that are bad for children, but those come in Heterosexual as well as homosexual forms.
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Aug 10, 2010
 
Momma Nerd wrote:
All of these are sins. I really don't feel like reading half the book of Leviticus again, but near the end of each chapter, there is a part that says something like "These are my rules and any who does not follow them will be punished" or something of the like. Some of them are stoning offences, some mean a person will be cast out.. I believe that same sex relations mean a person should be cast out, but I could be wrong. Almost everything in Leviticus can be forgiven or become "clean" in the eyes of God if an offering is given, normally animal, bird or bread.
And no, these are not exact quotes. Why? Because there are far too many different versions of the bible. There are 4 different versions of the New International Bible, which is a simplified translation, theres the GOD'S WORD Translation, the King James Bible, the American King James Bible, American Standard Version, the Bible in Basic English and countless other. I used the simplest translations because I'm lazy, and it's easier to skim text from my New International without all the Thee's and Thout's and Thine's to confuse me. Go though your own bible and look at the chapters and lines and you'll find basically the same thing, just different words..
And again, read the whole thing, you would be surprised at some of the stuff in there that NO ONE follows today. Like you said, most of it's outdated so we don't follow it.. who get's to choose what's outdated and what's not?
On a personal note, and I don't do this often.. My best friend, a woman I've been close to for 20 years, was raised by her father, a gay man, and his partner. She had a great life, and even living in Fountain City, she didn't get teased or picked on like you would think. She wasn't confused about her own sexuality, and on top of that, she wasn't afraid of it, like a lot of kids growing up. She felt comfortable asking questions because her father and his partner (she called him pop) where willing to talk to her about anything, and if they couldn't explain it, they had her aunt help. And that's kind of what family is for, ya know? She's happily married now, has been for 12 years, has 3 kids and her father and pop are still together. All told, she had one of the normal households growing up. I knew a lot of kids with drug addict parents and abusive step fathers. Cruel? You've kind of taken a stereotypical view on the subject. Yes, there are families that are bad for children, but those come in Heterosexual as well as homosexual forms.
I agree alot of children meet alot of abuse, one happy ending is great however what about all the others??? If a couple does not wish to pertain in the convential way of having a child then how are why do they need or why would they want to once again partake in hetrosexual life styles, just like the marriage bit a statement that we as gays should have the right, no I don't think so,If you choose and I do mean choose that life style then live your life, that is your business but don't expect to engage in another's life, if I choose to kill a certain type of person animal or whatever just because I choose that does not mean that I should stand up and say this is what I am, let me live just like the person down the road, with no remorse or no recourse for my choices. Whether it is admitted or not homosexuality brings recourse for that person's choices.If someone chooses that type of life fine, live it, but don't expect everyone to accept it, if you are a man in a womans body or vise versa get surgery have a sex change, be what you feel you are if you feel God made the mistake in your sex.

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Aug 11, 2010
 
Do you think it's wrong for a straight couple to use adoption or in-vitro fertilization or surrogate maternity to have a child? You said, exactly;

"If a couple does not wish to pertain in the convential way of having a child then how are why do they need or why would they want.."

It doesn't matter if that couple is homosexual or heterosexual, the couple chose to have a child outside of GOD's means, should they not be allowed? Why should it be fine for a heterosexual couple to use these means outside of GOD's will, but not a homosexual? Because YOU think that a child in a homosexual family will be worse off or less loved or abused or whatever reason you give? Heterosexual couples, being the majority of the population, are by default more likely to abuse their children. We don't HAVE a bases to study the development of homosexual based families, so any ideas you have about abuse, neglect or it's presence in those families; you are basing these feelings on pure speculation, and nothing more.

As for killing an animal or, more importantly, another person... There is a difference between wishing to have a family and raise a child; and killing a living being against their will. Why? One hurts, no matter what the reason. And this has NOTHING to do with the bible or religion, if you kill a person you have caused harm, to that person, to that person's family and friends. One constant in all religions, and even amongst atheists, is that you shouldn't hurt people if you can help it. It's easy to give in and say "It's my nature" and the fact is, it IS human nature to be aggressive, but as a civilized society, we have to fight that nature. I don't see how you can compare killing someone to trying to love someone (another CONSENTING adult) and have a child with them. There is, inherently, no harm in raising a child, unless the person adds harm to the process (and this happens with heterosexual couples and single parents all the time.) Murder, in and of itself, is HARM.
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Aug 11, 2010
 
Momma Nerd wrote:
Do you think it's wrong for a straight couple to use adoption or in-vitro fertilization or surrogate maternity to have a child? You said, exactly;
"If a couple does not wish to pertain in the convential way of having a child then how are why do they need or why would they want.."
It doesn't matter if that couple is homosexual or heterosexual, the couple chose to have a child outside of GOD's means, should they not be allowed? Why should it be fine for a heterosexual couple to use these means outside of GOD's will, but not a homosexual? Because YOU think that a child in a homosexual family will be worse off or less loved or abused or whatever reason you give? Heterosexual couples, being the majority of the population, are by default more likely to abuse their children. We don't HAVE a bases to study the development of homosexual based families, so any ideas you have about abuse, neglect or it's presence in those families; you are basing these feelings on pure speculation, and nothing more.
As for killing an animal or, more importantly, another person... There is a difference between wishing to have a family and raise a child; and killing a living being against their will. Why? One hurts, no matter what the reason. And this has NOTHING to do with the bible or religion, if you kill a person you have caused harm, to that person, to that person's family and friends. One constant in all religions, and even amongst atheists, is that you shouldn't hurt people if you can help it. It's easy to give in and say "It's my nature" and the fact is, it IS human nature to be aggressive, but as a civilized society, we have to fight that nature. I don't see how you can compare killing someone to trying to love someone (another CONSENTING adult) and have a child with them. There is, inherently, no harm in raising a child, unless the person adds harm to the process (and this happens with heterosexual couples and single parents all the time.) Murder, in and of itself, is HARM.
first usually hetrosexual couples seek adoption because of a physical infraction not an infraction of choice..... and secondly in many cases homosexuality does cause harm to other family members etc.as I sais love or lust??????

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Aug 11, 2010
 
Why do you think gay people can't love? And HOW does it cause harm, exactly? HARM, like KILLING someone or harm as in YOU not liking it? Explain. I'll talk again when I get off work, break is almost over.

Oh, yeah, and there are a lot of heterosexual couples that HAVE biological children and adopt more, or adopt a child and then HAVE a child, it's not uncommon. Try showing facts instead of personal opinions because the LAW (and that's what we're talking about) should never be based on a few people's personal opinions.
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Aug 14, 2010
 
Momma Nerd wrote:
Why do you think gay people can't love? And HOW does it cause harm, exactly? HARM, like KILLING someone or harm as in YOU not liking it? Explain. I'll talk again when I get off work, break is almost over.
Oh, yeah, and there are a lot of heterosexual couples that HAVE biological children and adopt more, or adopt a child and then HAVE a child, it's not uncommon. Try showing facts instead of personal opinions because the LAW (and that's what we're talking about) should never be based on a few people's personal opinions.
I never said homosexuals cannot love, I simply said is it love or lust, I have alot of close friends of the same sex I love dearly but I don't want to marry them nor do I have a desire for them in a sexual manner, our basic physical form is set up for man and woman this is how it is, once again as you told me your opinion here doesn't matter, I do not think children should be put under the influence that life dealt someone the wrong hand and they are phycically with or without certain anatomy that identifies that person as a human. If you choose to be homosexual fine but don't pattern your life in hetrosexual lifestyle, if you need hetrosexual lifew then be hetrosexual, it is your choice.

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