Gay Marriage Debate - Castorland, NY

Discuss the national Gay Marriage debate in Castorland, NY.

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Janey

Saint-nazaire, France

#1 Jan 19, 2012
Gay people are humans too.
optimus

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#2 Sep 4, 2012
Humans but nt meant for marriage.
optimus

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#3 Sep 4, 2012
Not honored in bible and disgusting
no big O

Bolingbrook, IL

#4 Sep 4, 2012
optimus wrote:
Not honored in bible and disgusting
Psst.... WE ARE NOT A THEOCRACY. So the Bible is irrelevant in this discussion. If you think it is disgusting... dont do it....

Tell me why 2 u.s. citizens who have been together for 5 years and happen to be a ssc, should enjoy less rights and legal coverage than a couple married 5 minutes
optimus

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#6 Sep 4, 2012
no big O wrote:
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Psst.... WE ARE NOT A THEOCRACY. So the Bible is irrelevant in this discussion. If you think it is disgusting... dont do it....
Tell me why 2 u.s. citizens who have been together for 5 years and happen to be a ssc, should enjoy less rights and legal coverage than a couple married 5 minutes
I thnk they can be married but nt in the church. It is totally against the bible.
no big O

Bolingbrook, IL

#7 Sep 4, 2012
optimus wrote:
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I thnk they can be married but nt in the church. It is totally against the bible.
Great, then you are for same sex marriage
Here is the thing for some reason people think that when (not if) ssm becomes law of the land churches will be forced to do it. This is totally laughable. The government can NEVER EVER tell a church what it has to do if it goes against their beliefs. My church will not marry two people who are living together. Since this is not illegal, could the couple try to sue calling it discrimination.. sure.. but they would lose. Same would go w a ssc. The ssc want an equal playing field equal rights that are given to osc's when they marry...
optimus

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#8 Sep 5, 2012
no big O wrote:
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Great, then you are for same sex marriage
Here is the thing for some reason people think that when (not if) ssm becomes law of the land churches will be forced to do it. This is totally laughable. The government can NEVER EVER tell a church what it has to do if it goes against their beliefs. My church will not marry two people who are living together. Since this is not illegal, could the couple try to sue calling it discrimination.. sure.. but they would lose. Same would go w a ssc. The ssc want an equal playing field equal rights that are given to osc's when they marry...
Ok I guess so ,are there any religions that accept same sex marriage?
no big O

Bolingbrook, IL

#9 Sep 5, 2012
optimus wrote:
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Ok I guess so ,are there any religions that accept same sex marriage?
Kind of.
There are many denominations of Christian churches which accept lgbt people. This "acceptance" ranges from allowing them as members, to willingness to marry (or commitment cerimonies for now) to allowing them to be ordained or become other "high ranking" offices i.e. deacons and elders. There are other denominations which split into "sub" denominations. i.e. Lutheran church has many sub. like Missouri senate, united., evangelical..... where each sub section has different views . IMHO once ssm becomes law, you will see more "liberal" churches willing to do marriage ceremonies. The more conservative will stick to their guns. Which I say is fine.

I guess the big issue I have with religion being against homosexuals and ssm, is they tend to pick and choose what part of the Bible to enforce. These churches that are adamantly against homo. and ssm, have no issue with allowing divorced (for non adultery reasons) people to remarry. In fact the their ministers, the same one who use the Bible to preach against homo. will preform the ceremony. If these churches followed the Bible to the letter, then very few weddings would occur as most young people do not "save" themselves for marriage like the Bible says to. So to me, for a church to follow the Bible only when convienent says much about that church.
Just what I believe

Johnstown, NY

#11 Oct 12, 2012
I don't hate those who are gay, but I don't agree with it either. Doesn't mean they are bad people or anything. Everyone does stuff that's wrong, we're only human.
That sucks

Johnstown, NY

#12 Oct 12, 2012
optimus wrote:
Humans but nt meant for marriage.
agreed
no big O

Bolingbrook, IL

#14 Oct 12, 2012
hello wrote:
Penis doesn't fit in a penis and a vagina doesn't fit in a vagina!!!' A square doesn't fit in a round hole for a reason they're not meant to be together that way!!!!
Well since marriage is not about sex... it does not matter.

Tell me why two ssc U.S. citizens should be denied benifits , both legal and monetary, given by their government to two other citizens just for saying I do
Correction Please

France

#15 Oct 12, 2012
hello wrote:
Penis doesn't fit in a penis and a vagina doesn't fit in a vagina!!!' A square doesn't fit in a round hole for a reason they're not meant to be together that way!!!!
Spot on!
Correction Please

France

#16 Oct 12, 2012
no big O wrote:
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Well since marriage is not about sex... it does not matter.[QUOTE]

What do you think it's about? A joint tax return? LOL

[QUOTE]Tell me why two ssc U.S. citizens should be denied benifits , both legal and monetary, given by their government to two other citizens just for saying I do
You've already been told dozens of time, but nothing seems to penetrate that walnut you call a brain.
no big O

Bolingbrook, IL

#17 Oct 12, 2012
Correction Please wrote:
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You've already been told dozens of time, but nothing seems to penetrate that walnut you call a brain.
What you have said does not answer the question.... You dance around it... but never answer head on....
no big O

Bolingbrook, IL

#19 Oct 12, 2012
hello wrote:
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Okay then I want senior citizen discount even if I'm not a senior citizen
And I want to receive public assistance even if I am working
And I want to have my drivers license even if I do have 12 DWIs
And I don't want to be imprison even if I am a pedophile or an ax murderer
Society has rules for a reason!!!! If you can't abide by them then you shall not benefit
Today it's Accepting gays as normal
What will it be tomorrow?
Murderers? They can't help it they were born that way
Druggies ? they can't help it they were born that way
Thiefs? they can't help it they were born that way
Child molesters? They can't help it they were born that way
You are correct... the state has rules.. however.. the rules must be enforced uniformly. In otherwords...
You can not say that people with glasses can get senior discount at any age while people with 20 20 cant....
People who have red hair must not be out at night while people with blond hair can...
It is called the 14th amenndment. Basically it says that IF a state has two sets of rules it must show a state interest to do so. In the cases mention the state must show reason why it benifits by allowing people w glasses to get s c discount ... while others can not.....

Now tell me the interest to the state to allow for one set of couples to marry.. yet not a ssc......

You do not come out of your mom a murderer... Unless your mom uses during pregnancy,,, you do not come out addicted... or a thief..
All of these are learned actions or reactions to situations. You choose to murder someone, you choose to use heroine.. you choose to take something. You do not choose to be hetero.. or homosexual... Your dad did not sit you down and say sone not that you got pubic hair you must make a choice... right here right now. It was and is an innate feeling. You can choose to act on it... just as a homosexual chooses to act on their attraction... but neither is illegal... neither, as long as both parties want hurts anyone, neither effects anyone but the people involved.

So tell me the states reason to deny benifits to a ssc that is given to an osc.. where is the states interest in this discrimination....
hello

New York, NY

#20 Oct 12, 2012
no big O wrote:
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You are correct... the state has rules.. however.. the rules must be enforced uniformly. In otherwords...
You can not say that people with glasses can get senior discount at any age while people with 20 20 cant....
People who have red hair must not be out at night while people with blond hair can...
It is called the 14th amenndment. Basically it says that IF a state has two sets of rules it must show a state interest to do so. In the cases mention the state must show reason why it benifits by allowing people w glasses to get s c discount ... while others can not.....
Now tell me the interest to the state to allow for one set of couples to marry.. yet not a ssc......
You do not come out of your mom a murderer... Unless your mom uses during pregnancy,,, you do not come out addicted... or a thief..
All of these are learned actions or reactions to situations. You choose to murder someone, you choose to use heroine.. you choose to take something. You do not choose to be hetero.. or homosexual... Your dad did not sit you down and say sone not that you got pubic hair you must make a choice... right here right now. It was and is an innate feeling. You can choose to act on it... just as a homosexual chooses to act on their attraction... but neither is illegal... neither, as long as both parties want hurts anyone, neither effects anyone but the people involved.
So tell me the states reason to deny benifits to a ssc that is given to an osc.. where is the states interest in this discrimination....
I was born with the desire to be rich, but you dont see me robbing banks!! because I am socially responsible and make the choice !!

pedophiles are atrracted to young children! that is not taught!! they are born that way!! are they the next socially non normal group to seek societies grace! the urges they have ARE real, but they dont have to act on them!! they choose to, just as a gay person chooses

Its called abiding by societies rules, man was made ! woman was made! to fit together, to reproduce! you say gay marriage isnt about sex!!! then live together in a celibate relationship!! or marry a close friend (of the opposite sex! because thats why marriage was created!!! for man and woman)

you c annot justify it! its an abomination
no big O

Bolingbrook, IL

#21 Oct 12, 2012
hello wrote:
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I was born with the desire to be rich, but you dont see me robbing banks!! because I am socially responsible and make the choice !!
pedophiles are atrracted to young children! that is not taught!! they are born that way!! are they the next socially non normal group to seek societies grace! the urges they have ARE real, but they dont have to act on them!! they choose to, just as a gay person chooses
Its called abiding by societies rules, man was made ! woman was made! to fit together, to reproduce! you say gay marriage isnt about sex!!! then live together in a celibate relationship!! or marry a close friend (of the opposite sex! because thats why marriage was created!!! for man and woman)
you c annot justify it! its an abomination
"I was born with the desire to be rich, but you dont see me robbing banks!! because I am socially responsible and make the choice !!
pedophiles are atrracted to young children! that is not taught!! they are born that way!! "

First, you were not born with a desire to be rich. The only "desire" (need) anyone has at birth is to eat... the rest is automatic.. sleep, pee...

Second. I said in previous post that 'you choose to take something.' so thank for coming to your senses and agreeing with me.

Third, you are correct regarding pedophiles being born that way. However once again you go one step forward and at least 2 back.

" are they the next socially non normal group to seek societies grace! the urges they have ARE real, but they dont have to act on them!! they choose to, just as a gay person chooses"

Pedophiles have victims... unwilling children they prey on... so that will never be accepted. Now I ask you again... who is harmed by homosexuality..... It is between two consenting adults, it involves no innocent bystandard, it is done (usually just like hetero sex is usually done) in private... so there is ABSOLUTLY no harm to anyone. So basically you are against something that does not , will not and never will affect your life. Get over yourself already.

"Its called abiding by societies rules, man was made ! woman was made! to fit together, to reproduce! you say gay marriage isnt about sex!!! then live together in a celibate relationship!! or marry a close friend (of the opposite sex! because thats why marriage was created!!! for man and woman)"

So tell me again why should two u.s. citizens be "allowed" to live together as a couple.. and not get the benifits given by the government to a osc couple who live together but were allowed to marry. Again look up the 14th and tell me how this is not a blatent violation.
Correction Please

Aachen, Germany

#22 Oct 18, 2012
hello wrote:
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pedophiles are atrracted to young children! that is not taught!! they are born that way!! are they the next socially non normal group to seek societies grace! the urges they have ARE real, but they dont have to act on them!! they choose to, just as a gay person chooses
Actually pedophiles are seeking rights using the exact same arguments that homosexuals use.

See "minor attracted persons"
Words of Wisdom

Carthage, NY

#23 Oct 20, 2012
It morally incorrect

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