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JohnBrinkley

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Sep 27, 2010
 
Definately YES.

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Sep 27, 2010
 
Yes, but statistically, most Americans don't support it.
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Oct 1, 2010
 
I say yes also. However I do not agree with gay parents adopting. I draw the line there.

Gay marriage is between two consenting adults. But to adopt and raise a child in such a household forces the child to live with the decisions of two gay adults and all of the reticule that comes with it. Not to mention, homosexuality is not "normal". A child should be raised in a good household with a well-adjusted competent to raise children (man and woman ... Father and Mother) since this is "natural". When they get into their adult years and feel that they desire to be with a same sex partner, then they can "as adults" make that decision.

Other than that, I've had gay friends and they're great. If two same-sex people feel love and compassion for each other and want to marry, then I have no problem with that. My children will learn that they are people who live a different lifestyle that is not "natural", but to try and judge them as you do anyone else.... by their character.

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Oct 1, 2010
 
To The Point wrote:
I say yes also. However I do not agree with gay parents adopting. I draw the line there.
Gay marriage is between two consenting adults. But to adopt and raise a child in such a household forces the child to live with the decisions of two gay adults and all of the reticule that comes with it. Not to mention, homosexuality is not "normal". A child should be raised in a good household with a well-adjusted competent to raise children (man and woman ... Father and Mother) since this is "natural". When they get into their adult years and feel that they desire to be with a same sex partner, then they can "as adults" make that decision.
Other than that, I've had gay friends and they're great. If two same-sex people feel love and compassion for each other and want to marry, then I have no problem with that. My children will learn that they are people who live a different lifestyle that is not "natural", but to try and judge them as you do anyone else.... by their character.
See, this is the problem with Americans: You only think of yourself. Do a little research: Gay parents don't equal gay kids. If you want to let your conservative values get in the way of two "consenting" adults adopting a NEEDY child, then you don't care for the child, you care for the conservation of Christian values in America. That's so wrong, because there are tons of children who need parents, and gay people are willing to raise them, but you'd rather break their hearts, ruin their lives, to save your viewpoint?

Being STRAIGHT isn't necessarily natural. What law of nature says we even need relationships outside of friendship? Women and men make babies (WE DON'T NEED A HIGHER POPULATION), but so do ants, and female ants kill males.

Being gay or straight isn't a matter of your sexual preference, but who you feel more comfortable with and what you like more. I think there are men who are attractive, but I'm not gay because I enjoy and am more comfortable with a female. Gay people are more comfortable with their own sex for their own reasons.

Should sexual and companionship preference decide if you get to raise a child or not? NO!
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Oct 1, 2010
 
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See, this is the problem with Americans: You only think of yourself. Do a little research: Gay parents don't equal gay kids. If you want to let your conservative values get in the way of two "consenting" adults adopting a NEEDY child, then you don't care for the child, you care for the conservation of Christian values in America. That's so wrong, because there are tons of children who need parents, and gay people are willing to raise them, but you'd rather break their hearts, ruin their lives, to save your viewpoint?
Being STRAIGHT isn't necessarily natural. What law of nature says we even need relationships outside of friendship? Women and men make babies (WE DON'T NEED A HIGHER POPULATION), but so do ants, and female ants kill males.
Being gay or straight isn't a matter of your sexual preference, but who you feel more comfortable with and what you like more. I think there are men who are attractive, but I'm not gay because I enjoy and am more comfortable with a female. Gay people are more comfortable with their own sex for their own reasons.
Should sexual and companionship preference decide if you get to raise a child or not? NO!
This was an opinion of a single American. Doesn't mean all Americans think this way. And beyond that, this kind of opinion wouldn't be limited to just Americans anyway.

And this has nothing to do with being Conservative, it has to do with nature and what is "natural". You don't see men having sex with other men and then having babies or women doing it with other women, now do you. It requires a MAN to have sex with a WOMAN, which is how nature made it, which would make it "Natural", which was my point. You will see this in almost any facet of nature where the parents are male and female. If gay people were able to produce children "NATURALLY" we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Not to mention that even though gay parents may be good people, they bestow a gay lifestyle on their children who will have to carry the burden of the ridicule from other children or people they meet and that just simply is not fair to them.

And gay marriage is a LEGAL thing and if two consenting ADULTS want to live that lifestyle then so be it, I have no problem with the ADULTS choosing to do that. But that should NEVER be thrust onto a child to have to bare. No matter how you want to spin it, it always comes back to that same point. Why make the child suffer from the lifestyle that consenting gay adults choose to live?

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Oct 1, 2010
 
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This was an opinion of a single American. Doesn't mean all Americans think this way. And beyond that, this kind of opinion wouldn't be limited to just Americans anyway.
And this has nothing to do with being Conservative, it has to do with nature and what is "natural". You don't see men having sex with other men and then having babies or women doing it with other women, now do you. It requires a MAN to have sex with a WOMAN, which is how nature made it, which would make it "Natural", which was my point. You will see this in almost any facet of nature where the parents are male and female. If gay people were able to produce children "NATURALLY" we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
Not to mention that even though gay parents may be good people, they bestow a gay lifestyle on their children who will have to carry the burden of the ridicule from other children or people they meet and that just simply is not fair to them.
And gay marriage is a LEGAL thing and if two consenting ADULTS want to live that lifestyle then so be it, I have no problem with the ADULTS choosing to do that. But that should NEVER be thrust onto a child to have to bare. No matter how you want to spin it, it always comes back to that same point. Why make the child suffer from the lifestyle that consenting gay adults choose to live?
That is a Conservative view point, and most Americans do just think of themselves.

Sex is not purely for making children. Your point is void.

Bestow a gay lifestyle? What makes you think all gay people live a gay lifestyle? They're HUMAN BEINGS.

You don't have the knowledge to argue this point, since you obviously haven't done any research.
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Oct 1, 2010
 
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That is a Conservative view point, and most Americans do just think of themselves.
Sex is not purely for making children. Your point is void.
Bestow a gay lifestyle? What makes you think all gay people live a gay lifestyle? They're HUMAN BEINGS.
You don't have the knowledge to argue this point, since you obviously haven't done any research.
I never said that sex was just about making children, Damn! I am talking about HAVING CHILDREN AND WHAT IS NATURAL. So my point, UNLIKE YOURS, is incredibly valid and you're refusing to see any of it. It wouldn't matter what I said, you're stuck in reverse!

AGAIN! If people of the same sex were supposed to have children, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE THAT WAY!

And YES, when two consenting adults CHOOSE to have a gay relationship and then bring a child into their home, they are raising children as GAY PARENTS. That is what the child will see and learn as they grow up. Having raised children myself, I know this to be FACTUAL, no the anecdotal crap argument you keep replying with.

And ONCE AGAIN, the child being raised in a home with gay parents is being raised in an UNNATURAL environment, so YES, the lifestyle is bestowed upon them. This now becomes their reality because THEY ARE LIVING IN IT! You can twist that however you like, you can even choose to get pissed off about it, but it doesn't change the facts.

If a child is raised in a home with alcoholic parents, if their parents go to church or don't go to church, if they choose to do drugs, if they are active in their community, if they help needy people, or any number of lifestyles within a home, the children of that home now bare that lifestyle, this IS their reality and are absolutely effected by it.

And unless you KNOW most Americans you are not qualified to speak for all of them (or most of them if I use your words). And once again, I would bet you're going to find this SAME sentiment just about anywhere you go in the world!

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Oct 1, 2010
 
To The Point wrote:
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I never said that sex was just about making children, Damn! I am talking about HAVING CHILDREN AND WHAT IS NATURAL. So my point, UNLIKE YOURS, is incredibly valid and you're refusing to see any of it. It wouldn't matter what I said, you're stuck in reverse!
AGAIN! If people of the same sex were supposed to have children, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE THAT WAY!
And YES, when two consenting adults CHOOSE to have a gay relationship and then bring a child into their home, they are raising children as GAY PARENTS. That is what the child will see and learn as they grow up. Having raised children myself, I know this to be FACTUAL, no the anecdotal crap argument you keep replying with.
And ONCE AGAIN, the child being raised in a home with gay parents is being raised in an UNNATURAL environment, so YES, the lifestyle is bestowed upon them. This now becomes their reality because THEY ARE LIVING IN IT! You can twist that however you like, you can even choose to get pissed off about it, but it doesn't change the facts.
If a child is raised in a home with alcoholic parents, if their parents go to church or don't go to church, if they choose to do drugs, if they are active in their community, if they help needy people, or any number of lifestyles within a home, the children of that home now bare that lifestyle, this IS their reality and are absolutely effected by it.
And unless you KNOW most Americans you are not qualified to speak for all of them (or most of them if I use your words). And once again, I would bet you're going to find this SAME sentiment just about anywhere you go in the world!
No, your point is no valid because you haven't done any research. I researched this for a YEAR. Gay parents don't make for gay children.

I am not going to argue with someone who doesn't read my posts carefully, and is posting on the Carrollton forum from NY. Goodbye.

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Oct 1, 2010
 
To The Point wrote:
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I never said that sex was just about making children, Damn! I am talking about HAVING CHILDREN AND WHAT IS NATURAL. So my point, UNLIKE YOURS, is incredibly valid and you're refusing to see any of it. It wouldn't matter what I said, you're stuck in reverse!
AGAIN! If people of the same sex were supposed to have children, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE THAT WAY!
That's a real stupid argument. You could just as easily say something like "If blind people were supposed to see, they would have been made that way." or "If men were supposed to have vasectomies so they can have sex without making children, they would have been made that way."

Really ridiculous. Infertile couples adopt all the time yet they were made infertile.

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Oct 1, 2010
 
To The Point wrote:
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And YES, when two consenting adults CHOOSE to have a gay relationship and then bring a child into their home, they are raising children as GAY PARENTS. That is what the child will see and learn as they grow up. Having raised children myself, I know this to be FACTUAL, no the anecdotal crap argument you keep replying with.
What are you saying? They'll turn out gay? That's funny, I was raised by two loving heterosexual parents and heterosexuality is all I saw or heard about, yet when puberty arrived I found I was attracted to the same sex and had no attraction to the opposite sex.

People don't learn to be straight. Someone taught you to be straight? LOL.

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Oct 1, 2010
 
To The Point wrote:
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I never said that sex was just about making children, Damn! I am talking about HAVING CHILDREN AND WHAT IS NATURAL. So my point, UNLIKE YOURS, is incredibly valid and you're refusing to see any of it. It wouldn't matter what I said, you're stuck in reverse!
AGAIN! If people of the same sex were supposed to have children, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE THAT WAY!
And YES, when two consenting adults CHOOSE to have a gay relationship and then bring a child into their home, they are raising children as GAY PARENTS. That is what the child will see and learn as they grow up. Having raised children myself, I know this to be FACTUAL, no the anecdotal crap argument you keep replying with.
And ONCE AGAIN, the child being raised in a home with gay parents is being raised in an UNNATURAL environment, so YES, the lifestyle is bestowed upon them. This now becomes their reality because THEY ARE LIVING IN IT! You can twist that however you like, you can even choose to get pissed off about it, but it doesn't change the facts.
If a child is raised in a home with alcoholic parents, if their parents go to church or don't go to church, if they choose to do drugs, if they are active in their community, if they help needy people, or any number of lifestyles within a home, the children of that home now bare that lifestyle, this IS their reality and are absolutely effected by it.
And unless you KNOW most Americans you are not qualified to speak for all of them (or most of them if I use your words). And once again, I would bet you're going to find this SAME sentiment just about anywhere you go in the world!
Facts About Children Raised by Gay and Lesbian Parents

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In 1990, an estimated 6 to 14 million children in the United States had at least one gay or lesbian parent (Baker v. State, 1999).
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Numerous well-respected authorities agree that children of same-sex parents are as healthy, happy and well-adjusted as peers with heterosexual parents:
o The American Psychological Association, representing more than 155,000 psychologists, states that children of gay and lesbian parents are at no disadvantage psychologically or socially compared to children of heterosexual parents.
o The American Academy of Pediatrics, the nation’s leading pediatric authority with 57,000 members, says that children who grow up with gay and/or lesbian parents fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social and sexual functioning as children with straight parents.
o The National Association of Social Workers, with nearly 150,000 members, agrees that research on gay and lesbian parenting shows a total absence of pathological findings in their children.
o “Not a single study has found children of gay or lesbian parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents. Indeed, the evidence to date suggests that home environments provided by gay and lesbian parents are as likely as those provided by heterosexual parents to support and enable children’s psychosocial growth.”-- Charlotte J. Patterson, researcher at the University of Virginia, 2004
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Children of gay and lesbian parents experience no significant differences in quality of peer relationships, nor do they experience more struggles with self-esteem.
o Susan Golombok et al., Children in Lesbian and Single-Parent Households: Psychosexual and Psychiatric Appraisal, 1983.
o Fiona Tasker and Susan Golombok, Growing up in a Lesbian Family, 1997.
o Sharon L. Huggins, A Comparative Study of Self Esteem of Adolescent Children of Divorced Lesbian Mothers and Divorced Heterosexual Mothers, 1989.
o Mary E. Hotvedt and Jane B. Mandel, Children of Lesbian Mothers, 1982.

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To The Point wrote:
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I never said that sex was just about making children, Damn! I am talking about HAVING CHILDREN AND WHAT IS NATURAL. So my point, UNLIKE YOURS, is incredibly valid and you're refusing to see any of it. It wouldn't matter what I said, you're stuck in reverse!
AGAIN! If people of the same sex were supposed to have children, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE THAT WAY!
And YES, when two consenting adults CHOOSE to have a gay relationship and then bring a child into their home, they are raising children as GAY PARENTS. That is what the child will see and learn as they grow up. Having raised children myself, I know this to be FACTUAL, no the anecdotal crap argument you keep replying with.
And ONCE AGAIN, the child being raised in a home with gay parents is being raised in an UNNATURAL environment, so YES, the lifestyle is bestowed upon them. This now becomes their reality because THEY ARE LIVING IN IT! You can twist that however you like, you can even choose to get pissed off about it, but it doesn't change the facts.
If a child is raised in a home with alcoholic parents, if their parents go to church or don't go to church, if they choose to do drugs, if they are active in their community, if they help needy people, or any number of lifestyles within a home, the children of that home now bare that lifestyle, this IS their reality and are absolutely effected by it.
And unless you KNOW most Americans you are not qualified to speak for all of them (or most of them if I use your words). And once again, I would bet you're going to find this SAME sentiment just about anywhere you go in the world!
Facts About Gay Parenting

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Research shows that gays and lesbians are just as fit to parent as heterosexuals, possessing the same abilities to nurture and provide stable homes:
o David K. Flaks et al., Lesbians Choosing Motherhood: A Comparative Study of Lesbian and Homosexual Parents and Their Children, 1995.
o Charlotte J. Patterson and Raymond W. Chan, Gay Fathers and Their Children, 1996.
o Judith Stacey and Timothy Biblarz, Does the Sexual Orientation of Parents Matter?, 2001.
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Gay and lesbian couples enjoy the same degree of relationship health and satisfaction, and stay together long-term at the same rates, as opposite-sex couples:
o Charlotte J. Patterson, Family Relationships of Lesbians and Gay Men, 2000.
o Philip Blumstein and Pepper Schwartz, American Couples, 1983.
o L.A. Peplau and Susan D. Cochran, A Relationship Perspective on Homosexuality, 1990.
o Lawrence A. Kurdek, Lesbian and Gay Couples, in “Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual Identities Over the Lifespan: Psychological Perspectives,” 1995; Relationship Stability and Relationship Satisfaction in Cohabitating Gay and Lesbian Couples: A Prospective Longitudinal Test of the Contextual and Interdependence Models, 1992; and Relationship Quality of Partners in Heterosexual Married, Heterosexual Cohabitating, and Gay and Lesbian Relationships, 1986.

Please note: Studies cited above represent only a sampling of gay and lesbian parenting research.
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Oct 1, 2010
 
I wish there were millions more gay guys. That would leave more women for me.

Logic my friends...logic.

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Oct 2, 2010
 
Don't bother, Bluelamp. This person will probably disagree with you even if you show her a straight person raised by a colony of gay men.
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Oct 6, 2010
 
I believe it is a sacred union between a man and a woman. I believe there are other alternatives for homosexual couples.

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Oct 6, 2010
 
JTDodson wrote:
I believe it is a sacred union between a man and a woman. I believe there are other alternatives for homosexual couples.
If it's a "sacred union" then why do you let atheists marry when they don't believe it's a "sacred union"?

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Oct 6, 2010
 
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I believe it is a sacred union between a man and a woman. I believe there are other alternatives for homosexual couples.
Are gay people hurting you, killing children, or pissing on graves when they get married? No.
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If it's a "sacred union" then why do you let atheists marry when they don't believe it's a "sacred union"?
Because marriage is a "legal" reference and was established between a man and woman. A persons religion, in a country that has freedom of religion, has nothing to do with it.

The bottom line is simple and it doesn't matter if you like it or not or if you're pissed off at the world because it effects you. Men were created to be with women.

And if you want to get biblical about it, read the book of Genesis. It references the creation and relationship of 1 MAN and 1 WOMAN.

Now from a purely social aspect, if you ask if it "hurts" other adults if two consenting adults lives a gay lifestyle, I would say no it doesn't. It's not natural, but it doesn't hurt other adults.

From a moral standpoint, it's really none of my business or my place to judge if 2 consenting adults want to live together.

From a legal standpoint, I guess I don't see any issue even with them getting married. I do agree with the other poster about holding the line with allowing children to be raised in a gay home and he makes excellent points as to why.

I guess if we're going to allow gay marriage though, those that want multiple husbands/wives should get on the bandwagon too.

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Because marriage is a "legal" reference and was established between a man and woman. A persons religion, in a country that has freedom of religion, has nothing to do with it.
The bottom line is simple and it doesn't matter if you like it or not or if you're pissed off at the world because it effects you. Men were created to be with women.
And if you want to get biblical about it, read the book of Genesis. It references the creation and relationship of 1 MAN and 1 WOMAN.
Now from a purely social aspect, if you ask if it "hurts" other adults if two consenting adults lives a gay lifestyle, I would say no it doesn't. It's not natural, but it doesn't hurt other adults.
From a moral standpoint, it's really none of my business or my place to judge if 2 consenting adults want to live together.
From a legal standpoint, I guess I don't see any issue even with them getting married. I do agree with the other poster about holding the line with allowing children to be raised in a gay home and he makes excellent points as to why.
I guess if we're going to allow gay marriage though, those that want multiple husbands/wives should get on the bandwagon too.
Why not? Polygamy is allowed in the Bible.
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......It requires a MAN to have sex with a WOMAN,......
Nope.... while sperm is needed to fertilize an egg, there is no need to have sex to get pregnant anymore......In-Vitro or even a turkey baster works.....

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