Gay Marriage Debate - Atlanta, GA

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Bolingbrook, IL

#346 Dec 11, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
Not everyone qualifies for a pilot's license or a marriage license. If you can change the definition of marriage for homosexuals, why not for polygamists, brothers and sisters or people and their pets? Why should someone be denied the right to marry their computer or smart phone?
You change the rules for one, it's only fair to change the rules for all. Or none; I'm for keeping marriage as is, between husband and wife.
Gee because polygamy and incest marriage can be shown to be harmful or potentially harmful to people, thus the state can show an overwhelming argument why it should be able to deny them the same rights. Now I know you NEVER get into discussions. Instead you put out the same posts on EVER thread you post to, but just this once... show me the REAL potential harm from ssm. Now as far as smart phone... called contract law... to enter into a contract, one must meet certain criteria... electronic devices don't.
come on now

Bolingbrook, IL

#347 Dec 11, 2012
Kore wrote:
Marriage is between a man and a woman. We cannot change this order from God our creator. The dogs and sheep are not trying to change the order.
First sicne we ar not a theocracy, what your theological beliefs are moot.
Second both dogs and sheep have been shown to have homosexual members in them... so much for your last sentence

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#348 Dec 12, 2012
come on now wrote:
Gee because polygamy and incest marriage can be shown to be harmful or potentially harmful to people, thus the state can show an overwhelming argument why it should be able to deny them the same rights.
How is adult incest between brother and sister harmful?

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come on now wrote:
Now I know you NEVER get into discussions.
Is there any reason for an incest taboo other than religion?

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come on now wrote:
Instead you put out the same posts on EVER thread you post to, but just this once... show me the REAL potential harm from ssm. Now as far as smart phone... called contract law... to enter into a contract, one must meet certain criteria... electronic devices don't.
I have a contract for my phone.

Consent is just another standard for marriage; like gender diversity. If you can make marriage gender segregated, then it's no big step to get rid of consent.

Keep marriage male/female, because forced, contracted or arranged marriages aren't as good as consensual marriage.

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#349 Dec 12, 2012
Our rights come from God. That's what our Declaration of Independence claims.

Since: Jun 12

Atlanta, GA

#350 Dec 12, 2012
Kore wrote:
Marriage is between a man and a woman. We cannot change this order from God our creator. The dogs and sheep are not trying to change the order.
That may be all well and good for you, but our Constitution and Legislation is designed have nothing to do with your God. Would Christ want you to force your belief on others that have no interest? So called Christians that force their beliefs on are not practicing Christian like behavior.
The harder you push the more resistance you will get.

Since: Jun 12

Atlanta, GA

#351 Dec 12, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
Our rights come from God. That's what our Declaration of Independence claims.
No the Declaration of Independence does not say "our rights come from God".
It doesn't state the exact words "God given rights" but it does talk about the rights men have that are "endowed by their Creator"
From the Declaration of Independence...
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
My creator(s) were my parents and further the authors of the Constitution went out of their way to describe why religion should be separate from our government. I want to live my life liberated from hearing about your religious beliefs.
come on now

Bolingbrook, IL

#352 Dec 12, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>How is adult incest between brother and sister harmful?
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<quoted text>Is there any reason for an incest taboo other than religion?
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<quoted text>I have a contract for my phone.
Consent is just another standard for marriage; like gender diversity. If you can make marriage gender segregated, then it's no big step to get rid of consent.
Keep marriage male/female, because forced, contracted or arranged marriages aren't as good as consensual marriage.
How is adult incest between brother and sister harmful?
You want the whole list... just start with the posibility of genetic defects in children down the road.... Enough for States interest to get involved... You still have not said what the overwhelming states interest would be in denying ssm..... just more of your silly remarks.

">I have a contract for my phone.
Consent is just another standard for marriage; like gender diversity. If you can make marriage gender segregated, then it's no big step to get rid of consent."

This whole statement makes less sense than most of your statements (which is saying something)
You have a contract for your phone.... so...
Consent is a STANDARD for any contract.. which is what marriage legally is.
Your last statement makes no sense at all.

"Keep marriage male/female, because forced, contracted or arranged marriages aren't as good as consensual marriage."

And once again spin denied....
Where did I say forced contracted marriage?.... Oh thats right I didnt ... but dont let facts get in your way. Marriage is a legal civil contract.

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#353 Dec 13, 2012
come on now wrote:
How is adult incest between brother and sister harmful? You want the whole list... just start with the posibility of genetic defects in children down the road.... Enough for States interest to get involved...
The possibility of birth defects exists with every birth, there is no scientific evidence occasional brother/sister incest causes harm. The left has their superstitions too.

If you still believe the myth of incest causing birth defects; then you'd have to allow sterile incest couples to marry. There is no argument against incest that's not religious.

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come on now wrote:
You still have not said what the overwhelming states interest would be in denying ssm..... just more of your silly remarks.
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come on now wrote:
">I have a contract for my phone.
Consent is just another standard for marriage; like gender diversity. If you can make marriage gender segregated, then it's no big step to get rid of consent."
This whole statement makes less sense than most of your statements (which is saying something) You have a contract for your phone.... so... Consent is a STANDARD for any contract.. which is what marriage legally is.
If you can change the gender ratio of marriage; what's stopping you from changing the consent requirement?

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come on now wrote:
Your last statement makes no sense at all.
"Keep marriage male/female, because forced, contracted or arranged marriages aren't as good as consensual marriage."
And once again spin denied....Where did I say forced contracted marriage?.... Oh thats right I didnt ... but dont let facts get in your way. Marriage is a legal civil contract.
Marriage is more than a contract.

http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/12...

"U.S. Supreme Court
Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190 (1888)
Maynard v. Hill
No. 194
Argued February 16-17, 1888
Decided March 19, 1888
125 U.S. 190
APPEAL FROM THE SUPREME COURT
OF THE TERRITORY OF WASHINGTON

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Marriage is something more than a mere contract, though founded upon the agreement of the parties. When once formed, a relation is created between the parties which they cannot change, and the rights and obligations of which depend not upon their agreement, but upon the law, statutory or common. It is an institution of society, regulated and controlled by public authority. Legislation, therefore, affecting this institution and annulling the relation between the parties is not within the prohibition of the Constitution of the United States against the impairment of contracts by state legislation...."

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#354 Dec 13, 2012
Justfacts99 wrote:
<No the Declaration of Independence does not say "our rights come from God".
It doesn't state the exact words "God given rights" but it does talk about the rights men have that are "endowed by their Creator"
From the Declaration of Independence...
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
My creator(s) were my parents and further the authors of the Constitution went out of their way to describe why religion should be separate from our government. I want to live my life liberated from hearing about your religious beliefs.
J.F.99 writes: "My creator(s) were my parents", that has nothing to do with the Declaration saying our rights come from God.

You must be pretty silly if you don't understand your country's founding document.

Since: Jun 12

Atlanta, GA

#355 Dec 13, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>J.F.99 writes: "My creator(s) were my parents", that has nothing to do with the Declaration saying our rights come from God.
You must be pretty silly if you don't understand your country's founding document.
Show me where the document says our rights come from God. Call me silly, but did you choose to ignore my whole post except the part where my creators are my parents (which they are). Why don't you reread my post and respond to my entire description of why that was not a reference to your God (and even if it was, the Constitution separates religion from the government.)
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Bolingbrook, IL

#356 Dec 13, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>The possibility of birth defects exists with every birth, there is no scientific evidence occasional brother/sister incest causes harm. The left has their superstitions too.
If you still believe the myth of incest causing birth defects; then you'd have to allow sterile incest couples to marry. There is no argument against incest that's not religious.
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<quoted text>
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<quoted text>If you can change the gender ratio of marriage; what's stopping you from changing the consent requirement?
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<quoted text>Marriage is more than a contract.
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/12...
"U.S. Supreme Court
Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190 (1888)
Maynard v. Hill
No. 194
Argued February 16-17, 1888
Decided March 19, 1888
125 U.S. 190
APPEAL FROM THE SUPREME COURT
OF THE TERRITORY OF WASHINGTON
...
Marriage is something more than a mere contract, though founded upon the agreement of the parties. When once formed, a relation is created between the parties which they cannot change, and the rights and obligations of which depend not upon their agreement, but upon the law, statutory or common. It is an institution of society, regulated and controlled by public authority. Legislation, therefore, affecting this institution and annulling the relation between the parties is not within the prohibition of the Constitution of the United States against the impairment of contracts by state legislation...."
"there is no scientific evidence occasional brother/sister incest causes harm."
Lol.. you are funny... incest once... maybe not... however anyone who has taken a biology course will tell you that inbreeding will lead to a multitude of birth defects and genetic defects... I know don't bother your with facts....

"If you still believe the myth of incest causing birth defects; then you'd have to allow sterile incest couples to marry. There is no argument against incest that's not religious."

Once again you want two sets of laws.... Not surprising...
You want to allow osc to marry while denying ssc to marry... No legal reason to deny ssc... but that is ok
Now there is a overwhelming government interest to stop incestual marraige... and you again want two laws .....
Here is the thing... if the law is equal there is no issue... no marriage for people who are related third cousin or more.... equal for all.
What is not equal is marriage for osc but not ssc.... they meet the same standards across the board... marriage is a contract which is gender neutral....

"If you can change the gender ratio of marriage; what's stopping you from changing the consent requirement?"

A) question makes no sense what so ever
B) It is called basic contract law....

"Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190 (1888)"

Funny how you put something up to bolster your position only to make mine stronger....

Notice how this posting of yours says marriage is more than a contract.... which means that it is a contract plus... So as a contract the state must present overwhelming reason to deny equal enforcement and right to enter into the contract to all of its citizens.... You have yet to show hte overwhelming reason...
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Bolingbrook, IL

#357 Dec 13, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>J.F.99 writes: "My creator(s) were my parents", that has nothing to do with the Declaration saying our rights come from God.
You must be pretty silly if you don't understand your country's founding document.
Actually he understands it well.... it is you who is forcing YOUR God in the role of "creator".

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#358 Dec 16, 2012
come on now wrote:
Actually he understands it well.... it is you who is forcing YOUR God in the role of "creator".
Who is forcing your secular, equal and enlightened God in the role of creator?

Since: Jun 12

Atlanta, GA

#359 Dec 16, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Who is forcing your secular, equal and enlightened God in the role of creator?
So if I believed that Mother Goose was my creator, and her Fairy Tales were my Bible, then we should base our laws and government on Jack Splat, Humpty Dumpty and The Man in the Moon. This would make more sense then what you propose.

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Since: Dec 08

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#360 Dec 16, 2012
If you think fairy tales are the same as thousands of years of religious thought; that's your problem.

Since: Jun 12

Atlanta, GA

#361 Dec 17, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
If you think fairy tales are the same as thousands of years of religious thought; that's your problem.
Not a problem for me at all, but thanks for your concern. Thousands of years of religious thought has caused more then it's share of real problems though.

But back to your original point, "Our rights come from God. That's what our Declaration of Independence claims." Your religious thought was the sole reason you reached that conclusion. The government is of the people and for the people including those that don't believe in God or your creator. That was the point.
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Bolingbrook, IL

#362 Dec 17, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
If you think fairy tales are the same as thousands of years of religious thought; that's your problem.
Here is the thing... religion has as much proof of truth as fairytales

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#363 Dec 17, 2012
The Catholic Church, among many other religions, has thought through the ethics of abortion and redefining marriage longer than 'come on now' has been posting. Ignore wisdom at your peril.
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Bolingbrook, IL

#365 Dec 17, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
The Catholic Church, among many other religions, has thought through the ethics of abortion and redefining marriage longer than 'come on now' has been posting. Ignore wisdom at your peril.
So let them think... since we are not a theocracy... what they "think" is irrelevant. So again what would the states an overriding reason be to deny ssm?... What overriding reason would they have to deny the right for two citizens to enter into a civil contract such as marriage?... per the 14th they must show one.. so what exactly is it?

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#366 Dec 17, 2012
Husband/wife marriage provides posterity; an overriding state need for the next generation of taxpayers. Same sex marriage can't provide that vital benefit.

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