Faith & Politics Debate - Tulsa, OK

Discuss the national Faith & Politics debate in Tulsa, OK.

Which GOP candidate's approach to faith and politics do you find most appealing?

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Since: Jul 10

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#21 Jan 5, 2012
shovelhead72 wrote:
The approach to faith and politics I would support, is that a person's faith is no recommendation for political office, and that the politics of elected representatives should be about representing one's constituents, rather than one's religious views.
Absolutely. Beware of any who try to impose a religion test in order to hold elective office. It is anti-Constitution.
I DONT KNOW EITHER

Union City, TN

#22 Jan 5, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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Absolutely. Beware of any who try to impose a religion test in order to hold elective office. It is anti-Constitution.
It also sounds like the politics, of the middle east, like Iran. Iam just saying.

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#23 Jan 5, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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Again, it is following the teaching and preaching of Jesus. Teaching and preaching keeping the 10 Commandments. Preaching and teaching keeping the Holy Days. Preaching and teaching not keeping pagan celebrations like Christmas and Easter. Preaching and teaching the keeping of the Sabbath, not Sunday. It is teaching and preaching what Jesus preached and taught.
Anyone following the teaching and preaching of Jesus is teaching and preaching what Jesus preached and taught.
Jesus also preached "Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. no thought for the morrow"

Am I to assume you have given up all your belongings as Jesus instructed? You know, since he will provide as he does for the birds. Right? Why do you not follow the teachings of Jesus? Do you lack faith?

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#24 Jan 6, 2012
Iwmfu wrote:
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Jesus also preached "Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. no thought for the morrow"
Am I to assume you have given up all your belongings as Jesus instructed? You know, since he will provide as he does for the birds. Right? Why do you not follow the teachings of Jesus? Do you lack faith?
He also said while that is better, not all do that, and did not condemn those who don't but did condemn those who don't keep the Commandments and those who make up days.
phil thomsen

United States

#25 Jan 6, 2012
I'd gladly support the one that says it's nobody's business and shouldn't be an issue in getting this country back on top.

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#26 Jan 6, 2012
phil thomsen wrote:
I'd gladly support the one that says it's nobody's business and shouldn't be an issue in getting this country back on top.
Same here. It is sickening to see candidates prostituting religion to get votes, and equally disgusting to see voters doing the same to support their bigotry and anti-Constitution biases.

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#27 Jan 6, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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He also said while that is better, not all do that, and did not condemn those who don't but did condemn those who don't keep the Commandments and those who make up days.
Hahaha. You are hilarious. Don't you feel a bit silly defending a god that gets all pissy because someone didn't take the right day off?

Do you suspect the kids dying at Children's Mercy are paying for some offense they committed?

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#28 Jan 6, 2012
Iwmfu wrote:
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Hahaha. You are hilarious. Don't you feel a bit silly defending a god that gets all pissy because someone didn't take the right day off?
Do you suspect the kids dying at Children's Mercy are paying for some offense they committed?
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What I think is, Christians stated beliefs should be consistent with their claimed source for those beliefs. If their claimed source states keep the Sabbath and they ignore it and keep Sunday instead then there is inconsistency. Keeping pagan celebrations like Christmas and Easter separates Christians from God. Christians who heed, will, and those Christians who don't, won't.

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#29 Jan 6, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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What I think is, Christians stated beliefs should be consistent with their claimed source for those beliefs. If their claimed source states keep the Sabbath and they ignore it and keep Sunday instead then there is inconsistency. Keeping pagan celebrations like Christmas and Easter separates Christians from God. Christians who heed, will, and those Christians who don't, won't.
I don't often defend Christians but lets face it, following a book of contradictions is impossible. Even your god couldn't pull it off. How many people did he kill himself or order killed AFTER the brilliant revelation of thou shalt not kill?

Proverbs goes on and on about attaining wisdom and being wise yet all of humanity is eternally punished for gaining "wisdom" from an apple.

Do you seek to gain wisdom? Does your god approve of that? I'm curious.

Since: Jul 08

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#30 Jan 6, 2012
Iwmfu wrote:
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I don't often defend Christians but lets face it, following a book of contradictions is impossible. Even your god couldn't pull it off. How many people did he kill himself or order killed AFTER the brilliant revelation of thou shalt not kill?
Proverbs goes on and on about attaining wisdom and being wise yet all of humanity is eternally punished for gaining "wisdom" from an apple.
Do you seek to gain wisdom? Does your god approve of that? I'm curious.
Wait a minute. This thread is about the impact of religion and politics and you are using it to talk people out of having a religion? Destroying religious faith one person at a time, if that were even possible, is not going to influence the 2012 election. Ok so you resent it that religions exist. We get it. They do and they do influence how politics happens. That is simple observation there.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#31 Jan 6, 2012
David Ash Burroughs wrote:
<quoted text>Wait a minute. This thread is about the impact of religion and politics and you are using it to talk people out of having a religion? Destroying religious faith one person at a time, if that were even possible, is not going to influence the 2012 election. Ok so you resent it that religions exist. We get it. They do and they do influence how politics happens. That is simple observation there.
Ok, so what's your take on faith as a facet of politics, and the impact of political machination with a view to a religious agenda?

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#32 Jan 6, 2012
Iwmfu wrote:
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I don't often defend Christians but lets face it, following a book of contradictions is impossible. Even your god couldn't pull it off. How many people did he kill himself or order killed AFTER the brilliant revelation of thou shalt not kill?
Proverbs goes on and on about attaining wisdom and being wise yet all of humanity is eternally punished for gaining "wisdom" from an apple.
Do you seek to gain wisdom? Does your god approve of that? I'm curious.
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Christians have a New Covenant with Jesus. The correct translation is thou shalt not murder. The Christian Bible says "prove all things", and God says test him to those who would follow. The Bible is consistent, but not to those with little understanding and hardened hearts. Non believers don't even understand the use of the word heart. They think it is some physical organ as spoken of in the Bible.
hermit

Tulsa, OK

#33 Jan 6, 2012
No politicians in the pulpit, no evangelist in office.

Since: Jan 10

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#34 Jan 7, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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Christians have a New Covenant with Jesus. The correct translation is thou shalt not murder. The Christian Bible says "prove all things", and God says test him to those who would follow. The Bible is consistent, but not to those with little understanding and hardened hearts. Non believers don't even understand the use of the word heart. They think it is some physical organ as spoken of in the Bible.
I wonder why an all perfect being need a new covenant. Do you?
I also wonder which heart allowed for the creation of hell and eternal torture? Can a heart get less forgiving than that? Or more hardened?

No matter. I don't believe you believe. You were trolling for an argument. I bit. It wasn't the religious part that got me but your pompous hypocrisy.

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#35 Jan 7, 2012
Iwmfu wrote:
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eternal torture?
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Been through book from beginning of genesis to end of Revelation and haven't found "eternal torture" for humans but did find ETERNAL DESTRUCTION, gone forever, permanently destroyed, gone, non-existent for eternity, in eternal heat so hot that it would only take fractions of a second to do the destroying.

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#36 Jan 10, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
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What I think is, Christians stated beliefs should be consistent with their claimed source for those beliefs. If their claimed source states keep the Sabbath and they ignore it and keep Sunday instead then there is inconsistency. Keeping pagan celebrations like Christmas and Easter separates Christians from God. Christians who heed, will, and those Christians who don't, won't.
That's right. All those painted Easter eggs left by Santa Claus’s estranged cousin: the Easter Bunny is downright shameful. And not near as scary to kids as the bloody guy nailed up on that wood!
Rich Whiteman

Austin, TX

#37 Jan 10, 2012
I wish that some day that religion and politics were not intertwined. I am a devout Atheist but believe in doing what is right by others and acting in a moral manner. Religion and politics are both dirty so the relationship is a natural fit. There is too much money and influence in both and they rely upon each other to sustain their causes.

Too bad we just can't have a candidate who was concerned about the real issues of America---economy, jobs, safety, border protection, infrastructure, less government, less taxes or tax reform, healthcare, education. Instead people are concerned about what religion one paractices, abortion etc. These two topics have nothing to do with running a country or its existance. I personally dont give a rats tail what people believe or dont believe in as long as they are doing right by others, dont hurt children or animals and are law abiding. Just dont try to push your beliefs down others throats..this country is now too culturally diverse.
nOgOd

Rockford, IL

#38 Jan 10, 2012
"If you believe in judgement day I have to seriously question your judgement."

Bill Maher
Rich Whiteman

Austin, TX

#39 Jan 10, 2012
nOgOd wrote:
"If you believe in judgement day I have to seriously question your judgement."
Bill Maher
Brilliant!

“Always question authority. ”

Since: Aug 12

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#40 Aug 24, 2012
Faith is not a Virtue to me. You have aright to your faith, and i have a right not have any. Reason is my virtue. Freedom is the DISTANCE between CHURCH AND STATE.

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