Faith & Politics Debate - Corsicana, TX

Discuss the national Faith & Politics debate in Corsicana, TX.

Which GOP candidate's approach to faith and politics do you find most appealing?

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Sheesh

Corsicana, TX

#1 Jan 5, 2012
Separation of church and state is a healthy thing. If our leaders believe in the supernatural and believe Jesus can come at any time and take them, they're not likely to fix the ills of our society.
If you want to see the effects of religion mixed with government, look at Iran.
Mr Wisdom

Duncanville, TX

#2 Jan 5, 2012
Sheesh wrote:
Separation of church and state is a healthy thing. If our leaders believe in the supernatural and believe Jesus can come at any time and take them, they're not likely to fix the ills of our society.
If you want to see the effects of religion mixed with government, look at Iran.
Excellent point!
Mr Wisdom

Duncanville, TX

#3 Jan 5, 2012
Sheesh wrote:
Separation of church and state is a healthy thing. If our leaders believe in the supernatural and believe Jesus can come at any time and take them, they're not likely to fix the ills of our society.
If you want to see the effects of religion mixed with government, look at Iran.
Don't go to far (Iran).
Look at Corsicana.
Look at the effects caused by the “Bible bangers” in this town, a dying economy.
ATX

San Antonio, TX

#4 Jan 6, 2012
The Bible bangers and the good ole boys, two groups guaranteed to ruin any small community
layed back and off

Corsicana, TX

#5 Jan 7, 2012
Sheesh wrote:
Separation of church and state is a healthy thing. If our leaders believe in the supernatural and believe Jesus can come at any time and take them, they're not likely to fix the ills of our society.
If you want to see the effects of religion mixed with government, look at Iran.
You have lost your mind. But in this case anyone elected could not have religious beliefs. So would you have to be athiest. where everyone could have a good time.
Sheesh

Corsicana, TX

#7 Jan 9, 2012
There are many atheists who are good, law-abiding people who work everyday, pay taxes, love their families, and live morally.

They just happen to believe in one less god than you do.
nOgOd

Rockford, IL

#8 Jan 9, 2012
"If you believe in judgement day I have to seriously question your judgement."

Bill Maher
FWGirl

Burleson, TX

#9 Jan 10, 2012
layed back and off wrote:
<quoted text> You have lost your mind. But in this case anyone elected could not have religious beliefs. So would you have to be athiest. where everyone could have a good time.
LBAO, are you saying that none of the people (running for office) in the poll have religious beliefs? Or referring to heathen Sheesh's remark?
layed back and off

Corsicana, TX

#10 Jan 11, 2012
Sheesh wrote:
There are many atheists who are good, law-abiding people who work everyday, pay taxes, love their families, and live morally.
They just happen to believe in one less god than you do.
I didnt say that they could not be honest or good people. Your comment was about the no good bible thumpers. that had to be run out of office.
Mr Wisdom

Duncanville, TX

#11 Jan 12, 2012
Just so you can imagine the way the people in power in this city thinks. They are close minded, ignorant and religious fanatics. The Todd Willingham case is a prime example. They accused the man of being a “Satan” worshiper because the guy had some rock posters on his wall. Believe me when I say these people are “scary”.

"During the penalty phase of the trial a prosecutor said that Willingham's tattoo of a skull and serpent fit the profile of a sociopath. Two medical experts confirmed the theory. A psychologist was asked to interpret Willingham's Iron Maiden poster, and said that a picture of a fist punching through a skull signified violence and death. He added that Willingham's Led Zeppelin poster of a fallen angel was "many times" an indicator of "cultive-type" activities. Psychiatrist James Grigson said that a man of Willingham's criminal history was an "extremely severe sociopath" and was incurable. Grigson was an expert witness for the prosecution in murder trials across the state of Texas. Prior to his death, he upheld his record by stating that the prosecutors would not have them on trial if they were not a danger to society. "I did my part to put them away."
Mr Wisdom

Duncanville, TX

#12 Jan 12, 2012
Then they accused him of starting a fire using a “fire accelerant” on the floor. They said the man made a pentagram on the floor with the “fire accelerant”. So, if you like rock, beware, in this town, you are consider a “devil worshiper”.
Mr Wisdom

Duncanville, TX

#13 Jan 12, 2012
"According to Hurst, when a fire reaches the flashover threshold, it is impossible to visually identify accelerant patterns. While the prosecutor thought that the "bizarre" path of the flame indicated that an accelerant was used, Hurst said that the path of the fire followed a post-flashover pattern of going in the direction of ventilation. Although Willingham was accused of using an accelerant in three different places, the front porch was the only place where an accelerant was verified by laboratory tests, and a photograph taken of the house before the fire showed that a charcoal grill was there. The family confirmed that lighter fluid was by the grill used for family barbecues. Water sprayed by firefighters likely spread the lighter fluid from the melted container. All twenty of the indications listed by Vasquez of an accelerant being used were rebutted by Hurst."

"A report prepared by Craig Beyler for the Texas Forensic Science Commission said that investigators ignored the scientific method for analyzing fires described in NFPA 921, Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations and relied on "folklore" and "myths"."

"An August 2009 Chicago Tribune investigative article concluded: "Over the past five years, the Willingham case has been reviewed by nine of the nation's top fire scientists—first for the Tribune, then for the Innocence Project, and now for the commission. All concluded that the original investigators relied on outdated theories and folklore to justify the determination of arson."
Sheesh

Corsicana, TX

#14 Jan 12, 2012
layed back and off wrote:
<quoted text> I didnt say that they could not be honest or good people. Your comment was about the no good bible thumpers. that had to be run out of office.
You jumped to a conclusion. I said no such thing.
Mr Wisdom

Duncanville, TX

#15 Jan 12, 2012
Folklore, myth and outdated theories...
Scary!
FWGirl

Dallas, TX

#16 Jan 12, 2012
I have to say that the whole pentagram aspect of the Willingham trial freaked me the heck out. Seriously, that was part of testimony and was not stricken!?!?!?!? Zoiks.

I don't have a problem w/ religious or non-religious folks. But people who see the Bible (or the Koran or whatever) as literal and try to impose rules written thousands of years ago on others are dangerous. I haven't met any of those types here but then, I only know a handful of people. And I think that was the gist of what Brother Sheesh was saying. Believe what you want but don't tell me what to believe and don't make laws b/c the Lord came to you in a vision and told you to!!
Mr Wisdom

Duncanville, TX

#17 Jan 12, 2012
FWGirl wrote:
I have to say that the whole pentagram aspect of the Willingham trial freaked me the heck out. Seriously, that was part of testimony and was not stricken!?!?!?!? Zoiks.
I don't have a problem w/ religious or non-religious folks. But people who see the Bible (or the Koran or whatever) as literal and try to impose rules written thousands of years ago on others are dangerous. I haven't met any of those types here but then, I only know a handful of people. And I think that was the gist of what Brother Sheesh was saying. Believe what you want but don't tell me what to believe and don't make laws b/c the Lord came to you in a vision and told you to!!
It was not testimony, the fire investigator concluded that after seen those posters of “Iron Maiden and Led Z”.
His beliefs clouded and affected his conclusions and reasoning.
FWGirl

Dallas, TX

#18 Jan 12, 2012
Ok, that's even more disturbing and freakish. Thanks, Mr. Wasabi. I can always count on you!! ;-)

I guess we need to toss our record collection, lest we be burned at the stake!(Yes, we still have records and even a VCR and video tapes. EGADS!)

I have no opinion on Willingham's guilt one way or another. I wasn't here then and never followed the case but that's just insane. And a good example of why politics/law enforcement and religion can not be too closely mingled. Sure, bring the basic values to the table but don't arbitrarily assume something b/c someone has a poster or tattoo or whatever. That is not evidence, but superstition.
layed back and off

United States

#19 Jan 13, 2012
FWGirl wrote:
<quoted text>
LBAO, are you saying that none of the people (running for office) in the poll have religious beliefs? Or referring to heathen Sheesh's remark?
To the sheesh. I dont think he understands if you dont believe in God that is still your religious belief. Everthing but a plant and an animal has beliefs.
Sheesh

Corsicana, TX

#20 Jan 13, 2012
FWGirl wrote:
Ok, that's even more disturbing and freakish. Thanks, Mr. Wasabi. I can always count on you!! ;-)
I guess we need to toss our record collection, lest we be burned at the stake!(Yes, we still have records and even a VCR and video tapes. EGADS!)
I have no opinion on Willingham's guilt one way or another. I wasn't here then and never followed the case but that's just insane. And a good example of why politics/law enforcement and religion can not be too closely mingled. Sure, bring the basic values to the table but don't arbitrarily assume something b/c someone has a poster or tattoo or whatever. That is not evidence, but superstition.
Next time PBS, ch. 13 reruns the program about the Willingham case, check it out. Or just go here:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/death...

Very enlightening.
Sheesh

Corsicana, TX

#21 Jan 13, 2012
layed back and off wrote:
<quoted text>To the sheesh. I dont think he understands if you dont believe in God that is still your religious belief. Everthing but a plant and an animal has beliefs.
Irreligion is the absence of religion.

Please educate yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion

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